Just a note for all the Buckeye haters( in good love of course ).
The day the MAC had today against the rest of the country and the fact that OSU was w/o Krenzel, just shows you how much heart and how good the Buckeyes are.

OSU held the most prolific offense in the country (BG averaged 575 yards per game) to 386 yards and most of it in the air and most of it with BG coming from behind.

Marshall beats a national title contender in Kansas St.
N. Illinois beats up on Alabama who also beat up on Maryland.

Give them some respect pleaset, they keep on winning, and the MAC is no joke anymore either.

Originally posted by hollmt
OSU held the most prolific offense in the country (BG averaged 575 yards per game)

I'd hardly call a team that did that against Liberty, Eastern Kentucky, and Purdue the most prolific offense in the country. :rolleyes:

The MAC may not be a joke, but Bowling Green's schedule was when they were racking up those numbers.

Originally posted by hollmt
Just a note for all the Buckeye haters( in good love of course ).
The day the MAC had today against the rest of the country and the fact that OSU was w/o Krenzel, just shows you how much heart and how good the Buckeyes are.

OSU held the most prolific offense in the country (BG averaged 575 yards per game) to 386 yards and most of it in the air and most of it with BG coming from behind.

Marshall beats a national title contender in Kansas St.
N. Illinois beats up on Alabama who also beat up on Maryland.

Give them some respect pleaset, they keep on winning, and the MAC is no joke anymore either.

Ohio State will lose a football game this year. Likely the first time they are forced to go on the road and meet a quality team.

Not sure how long you've been on the board, so let me nip something in the bud before it starts. I don't like or hate Ohio State. I predicted Ohio State would beat Miami last year and posted some analysis as to why I thought people were underrating the Buckeyes. I think they are a well coached and talented football team.

Having said that, their defense isn't as good this year. I don't care what the numbers say (which I'm pretty sure would be worse than last year) All I care about is what I see. Last year Ohio State pounded most of their opponents at home. Only Penn State and Michigan gave them tests on their home turf. After the Washington game this year, everything has been close. No blowouts. Much of the time being outplayed.

The defense isn't as good. They've been outgained 3 consecutive times at home. I'm sorry, it isn't going to last this year. You keep playing with fire, you'll eventually get beat. Ohio State will get beat. I think Wisconsin, if healthy, has a good shot in a couple of weeks.

TroyF

No reason to nip anything in the bud TroyF. My message was written with love. True, OSU might lose, but the point is, they havent lost yet. And mckerney, you are also right. BG played some patsies, ( but correct me if im wrong, Purdue was a ranked team and BG beat them) but again ill stress this point. All these national contender teams in the country keep dropping like flies, but OSU keeps on winning. Just give credit where credit is due and stop making excuses for a team that keeps on winning as to why they should start losing. Until they do lose there really isnt much to say.

I totally agree.

Did I think OSU would go undefeated last year? No :eek:

Do I think we'll go undefeated this year? Probably not.

But given they're defending champs returning such a large percentage of starters, they should be ranked higher than f'in 4th. Ridiculous.

Maybe Michigan should be ranked above them?...:rolleyes:

If three teams, including OSU, go undefeated this year, they will be the one left out of the championship game. Sadly, that's the way it is.

Our team isn't as solid as last year's at all, but if Krenzel can come back strong...we can play with anyone.

Our D ain't nearly as good as last year's, but today's running game was awesome.

So.

Many.

Paragraphs.

"Ohio State will lose a football game this year."

way to go out on a limb there

winners win. this team is full of winners who don't shoot themselves in the foot like every other college team does. teams like osu don't repeat, the odds are against them coming out on top every week, but it won't be because they are overrated or whatever. this is a top 3 football team, and they're the class of the big 10 by far

Well the loss of Clarett will catch up to the Buckeyes sooner or later. I also agree with TroyF that the D seems a bit worse this year than last.

I dunno who'll come out on top in the end, but Oklahoma is looking pretty damned good and Miami isn't look bad either.

Originally posted by IMetTrentGreen
"Ohio State will lose a football game this year."

way to go out on a limb there

winners win. this team is full of winners who don't shoot themselves in the foot like every other college team does. teams like osu don't repeat, the odds are against them coming out on top every week, but it won't be because they are overrated or whatever. this is a top 3 football team, and they're the class of the big 10 by far

It wasn't trying to go out on a limb. As I said later in the post, I defended this Ohio State team all of last year. Winners do win. I haven't looked it up, but I'm wondering when the last time a team was outgained in three consecutive home games went on to win a BCS conference championship.

You'll also note that I NEVER said they were overrated. You put those words in my mouth. Of course, you do a good job of that everytime you reply to one of my posts so I'm used to it.

I don't think Ohio State will win the Big10 this year. Maybe I'm 100% off base. I can live with that. I just get a different feel for this team than I had last year. Again, I spent most of last December trying to defend this team. I have a different feeling this year. That's all.

TroyF

Since everybody else seems to be falling all over themselves to avoid calling OSU overrated, I'll do it for them.

OSU is not just overrated, they're VASTLY overrated. They won a national championship a year ago. Good for them. They're undefeated so far this year. Good for them. They beat Bowling Green by, what, a touchdown? I'm sorry, starting QB or no, if you consider yourself a national title contender, you need to have a better showing than that against a team that doesn't remotely have your recruiting ability.

I'm not saying you need to be putting 70 points a game on the board, but at some point, you have to draw the distinction between winning the way you should, and getting just enough to win.

The Wolfpack are a dangerous team. I'll give OSU that, and I'll give them props for hanging on to beat them, as well as for their opening day win over Washington.

To win by a combined total of 10 points against San Diego State and Bowling Green, however, is just flat pathetic. Troy is right. Wisconsin has a real good shot at knocking off OSU. But even if Wisconsin doesn't win, I guarantee that at least one, and more likely both, of the Michigan teams will defeat OSU.

Carve it in stone.

Wow, a prediction if a Michigan State win over anyone is pretty exciting. have you really looked at the spartans? This is a very weak team with few talented players to speak of. yeah, so they beat Notre Dame, this year that doesn't appear to be a real tough task.

Michigan lost, and they showed every team in the nation how to do it again. Stuff the run, get up by 14 and sudfdenyl the wolverines are a one dimensional team. Of course they may even learn from the Oregon loss and fix that, I don't know. But right now, looking at the buckeyes schedule they are a win in the big house from being undefeated again this season.

not because they are so much the better team, but because they are a damned good team that probably has the best coaching staff going right now. They use the talent they have and they find a way to win.

Enjoy your opinions, I'll enjoy mine and once the bowl dust settles we'll really know. Until then go find another team besides the reigning national champions to dissect as if they were already dead.

I don't see Miami playing amazing football this year either, and while I am impressed with Oklahoma, I'm still betting on them losing before OSU does.

I think the defense is just as good this year. Will Allen and AJ Hawk have stepped up big time. The reason they have been giving up points lately is because the offense has hung them out to dry, last year's team didn't do that. Turnovers are keeping the other team in games. They have also played 4 of the top offenses (by the end of the year), which they have done decent with.

If they had Krenzel today instead of McMullen this game wouldn't have been close.

Originally posted by Balldog
I think the defense is just as good this year. Will Allen and AJ Hawk have stepped up big time. The reason they have been giving up points lately is because the offense has hung them out to dry, last year's team didn't do that. Turnovers are keeping the other team in games. They have also played 4 of the top offenses (by the end of the year), which they have done decent with.

If they had Krenzel today instead of McMullen this game wouldn't have been close.

What exactly is meant by that? Is this the same Krenzel that led them to a 16-13 win over San Diego State? I see nothing to indicate Ohio State would have blown them out had Krenzel been the starter.

You must also be forgetting their preseason schedule last year. They played top notch offenses there as well. Washington State had a terrific offense. They were shut down cold. Texas Tech didn't put up any real points until the game was already well out of hand. (the game was 38-7 going into the fourth quarter before the Buckeyes gave up a couple meaningless TD's) Kent State was down 38-0 before they scored. Washinton State was gone by the end of the third quarter.

The thing that bothers me this year is that everything is happening on their home turf. The only teams that gave Ohio State a scare on their home turf last year was teams that finished #10 and #11 in the final rankings. Just a guess, but I don't think either San Diego State or Bowling Green is going to wind up there.

I can see blowing teams out at home and getting into dogfights with the nations best. I can then see going on the road and struggling a bit. I can't see consistently getting outgained at home by inferior competition. (yes, I don't care how good you think Bowling Green or San Diego State are, they are inferior) It's just not a good sign.

I say they'll lose to Wisconsin in their first big road test of the year. They win that one and then follow it up with a win against Iowa, I may change my tune.

TroyF

For now, OSU is still the team to beat.

So screw you all.

;)

Originally posted by hollmt

Give them some respect pleaset, they keep on winning, and the MAC is no joke anymore either.

Oh my God You got me with that one.

Are you a professional commedian?

I'd be much more worried about the Wisconsin game if we didn't have a bye week to prepare for it. I think that'll be crucial. Time to prepare ourselves to play away from Columbus (dramatic music).

Don't listen to SackAttack, he said OSU had a "snowball's chance in hell" of defeating Miami last year...and look who won that game! ;)

Maybe it could be personal frustration, but I think OSU is the least respected defending champ in a long time.

Obviously, it was a persistent snowball.

UNLV 23, Wisconsin 5

And Wisconsin beats Ohio St.?

I doubt it. The problem that Ohio State has is it's running game, which they seemed to improve in the 2nd half against BGSU, running more misdirection and longer-developing type running plays... the type that finesse backs like Ross and Hall need to run to be successful. Of course, the hole that Ross had on 4th and 1 for his 30 yard TD run was pretty impressive.

Of course, this was Bowling Green. McKerney pointed out the chumps they'd played to this point.

The Big Ten is looking weak this year, no reason why it won't come down to November 22 in Ann Arbor once again. Iowa did beat ASU pretty bad, but there's no way ASU should've been in the top 15.

Everybody keeps talking about when they go on the road. I think they're beatable at home and Iowa will. Iowa has played very well considering their losses. If any team has a reason to gripe about lack of respect it is the other defending Big 10 champs.

Watch out for the Hoosiers! On October 25th, they will rock OSU's world.













Okay, the laughter can stop now. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by kingnebwsu
I'd be much more worried about the Wisconsin game if we didn't have a bye week to prepare for it. I think that'll be crucial. Time to prepare ourselves to play away from Columbus (dramatic music).

Don't listen to SackAttack, he said OSU had a "snowball's chance in hell" of defeating Miami last year...and look who won that game! ;)

Maybe it could be personal frustration, but I think OSU is the least respected defending champ in a long time.

I agree when you are talking about last year's team. That team was special. Really special. I don't think this year's team is. I could be proven wrong. :)

TroyF

Originally posted by TroyF
I agree when you are talking about last year's team. That team was special. Really special. I don't think this year's team is. I could be proven wrong. :)

TroyF

TroyF, let us all hope that you are not wrong.

Oh how I hate Ohio State.

Oh, how I, too, hate Ohio State. Well said, H_B!

Originally posted by kingnebwsu
I think OSU is the least respected defending champ in a long time.

Seriously, does it really matter? All I hear from OSU fans is 'no respect', blah blah blah. So, you WANT your team to be overrated so they can go and pull an Auburn or Texas? Thanks, but I'd much rather have my team flying under the radar getting no credit, all the while knocking opponents off week after week. Everybody bitches about lack of respect but I truly believe it is one of the great motivators in sports. Of course, I would also rather have my team play their first five or six at home as well :)

I thought after the NC State debacle things were looking pretty bad for OSU. But now looking at the Big 10 this year, aside from Michigan who is going to beat OSU? Really?

Wisconsin is getting smoked at home by the UNLVs of this world. Penn State is just plain getting smoked. The only game they really need to worry about before Michigan is Iowa, and they get them at home.

Originally posted by Glengoyne
Oh my God You got me with that one.

Are you a professional commedian?

I got you on that one?? what?

You don't get much respect as a team by barely getting past Bowling Green and San Diego State, I don't care how good their offense's are. This a defending national champion, that was a year and a certain talented freshman ago, new year, new team, prove it on the field.

I give OSU credit for last year, but if they weren't the defending national champion, they would be lucky to be ranked in the top 10 right now. I think that is more than enough respect for the way they have been playing.

Is it just me, or is their no team that really stands out. Oklahoma doesn't impress me (they are good, but I don't see them dominating), Miami (same as Oklahoma), ect.

Originally posted by scooper
Everybody keeps talking about when they go on the road. I think they're beatable at home and Iowa will. Iowa has played very well considering their losses. If any team has a reason to gripe about lack of respect it is the other defending Big 10 champs.

Do you think Norte Dame can beat them?

:)

noop

I'm curious what people's opinions are of Ohio State's culpability in the Clarett mess, the grades scandal, the autograph incident, etc. Has there been enough evidence uncovered to warrent an NCAA investigation of the football program? Do people see a possibility of sanctions being levied on the program in the future? I read something recently that indicated a booster had paid a cell-phone bill for Clarett - I'm trying to track down independent confirmation of that.

I bring this up because a local Husky radio commentator that had been on Don James' staff at Washington has mentioned a few times that he thinks Ohio State is and will get away with misdeeds surrounding the football program just because they are Ohio State. I don't know if I agree with that, but it does seem from this perspective that an investigation wouldn't be out of line.

Hell, it just makes them look like Free Shoes University and all the other big time schools that break the rules and don't really get caught.

SI

dawgfan,

The NCAA has said that there will be no institutional penalties for Ohio State from the investigation. The guy that gave Clarett money and gifts was not a booster of Ohio State. Apparently he is a booster or supporter of Warren Harding, the high school Clarett attended.

Ohio State did know of the frendship (sounds more like a sugar daddy to me). Clarett flew back to Youngstown with the guy following the Fiesta Bowl instead of flying back with the team. It was reported that Ohio State's compliance office even verified later that Clarett reimbursed the guy after the fact. I wonder if the $500 check given to Clarett was this guy re-reimbursing Clarett for the plane ticket.

Most of Clarett's suspension is a direct result of him lying to NCAA investigators. If he had been truthful from the beginning, he may be playing in a week or two.

Ohio State did screw up - they can't babysit 85+ kids but there were red flags all over this one...

By the way, GO DAWGS. That shaking dancing thing by Washington's cheerleaders during "Tequila" made me feel all twisted in the tummy.

Originally posted by sterlingice
Hell, it just makes them look like Free Shoes University and all the other big time schools that break the rules and don't really get caught.

SI

Who is talking about Florida State? And who the hell was talking to you? Keep on hating playa

Everyone forgets about the real contender for the Big Ten championship.

MINNESOTA!!!

Originally posted by SackAttack
I guarantee that at least one, and more likely both, of the Michigan teams will defeat OSU.

Carve it in stone.

Okay, let's look at the math here. You are saying that it's "more likely" that both of those teams will beat OSU. Therefore, what you are saying is that no matter what the odds of Michigan to beat Ohio State are, you believe that it is more likely than not that Michigan State will beat them as well.

If you want to step up and support this, I'm there for you. We can use PayPal or some way to settle a bet of any amount you like... I'll take Ohio State, you take Michigan State, no point spread needed, of course.

I'm in for my side of that. Carve it in stone.

Originally posted by HerRealName
dawgfan,

The NCAA has said that there will be no institutional penalties for Ohio State from the investigation. The guy that gave Clarett money and gifts was not a booster of Ohio State. Apparently he is a booster or supporter of Warren Harding, the high school Clarett attended.

Ohio State did know of the frendship (sounds more like a sugar daddy to me). Clarett flew back to Youngstown with the guy following the Fiesta Bowl instead of flying back with the team. It was reported that Ohio State's compliance office even verified later that Clarett reimbursed the guy after the fact. I wonder if the $500 check given to Clarett was this guy re-reimbursing Clarett for the plane ticket.

Most of Clarett's suspension is a direct result of him lying to NCAA investigators. If he had been truthful from the beginning, he may be playing in a week or two.

Ohio State did screw up - they can't babysit 85+ kids but there were red flags all over this one...

By the way, GO DAWGS. That shaking dancing thing by Washington's cheerleaders during "Tequila" made me feel all twisted in the tummy.

What about the grading scandal - has that all been cleared up yet?

Regarding the Husky cheerleaders, they've always given me a "special feeling" in the lower regions. Way back in the late '70's they were doing routines much more like professional cheerleaders than the more traditional "rah-rah go team" kind of stuff. I still have fantasies about dating a Husky cheerleader...

Originally posted by dawgfan
What about the grading scandal - has that all been cleared up yet?

Regarding the Husky cheerleaders, they've always given me a "special feeling" in the lower regions. Way back in the late '70's they were doing routines much more like professional cheerleaders than the more traditional "rah-rah go team" kind of stuff. I still have fantasies about dating a Husky cheerleader...

The academic investigation is ongoing and is separate from the Clarett extra benefits investigation.

What a freakin' mess.

Originally posted by Superman=#54
Everyone forgets about the real contender for the Big Ten championship.

MINNESOTA!!!

Man, I'd rather have our squeaky clean awful football program under Terry Allen than those dirty bowl years with Glen Mason here at KU. Mason runs a dirty, dirty program.

SI

Originally posted by hollmt
I got you on that one?? what?

The MAC not being a joke. I mean come on, without Marshall the MAC is still the same bunch of teams the big west used to beat up on. Look I am a Fresno State fan. The MAC, the WAC, the mountain west. All those conferences have teams that occasionally compete with the BCS conferences. If the MAC teams had to play a BCS conference schedule the best of them would have a few losses. For many of those schools a lot of those games would be body bag games. I am not just saying the MAC isn't up to par. I am including my teams conference as well.

Originally posted by Noop
Do you think Norte Dame can beat them?

:)

noop

Right now? No. We'll see how Quinn does when he gets the reigns.

Boy, that would be a low scoring ugly offensive game.

Originally posted by Glengoyne
The MAC not being a joke. I mean come on, without Marshall the MAC is still the same bunch of teams the big west used to beat up on. Look I am a Fresno State fan. The MAC, the WAC, the mountain west. All those conferences have teams that occasionally compete with the BCS conferences. If the MAC teams had to play a BCS conference schedule the best of them would have a few losses. For many of those schools a lot of those games would be body bag games. I am not just saying the MAC isn't up to par. I am including my teams conference as well.

I don't think anybody's claiming conferences such as the MAC is up to par with the BCS conferences, just saying they deserve more respect, especially from the bowls and pollsters than they get. While it's true from top to bottom the MAC and like conferences could not hold up to a BCS schedule, it is possible for them to produce individual teams that one year at a time can stack up.

As for your Marshall comment, it's early, but I could realistically see Marshall being the fourth or fifth best team in the MAC this year. The top five in random order is Northern Illinois, Toledo, Miami OH, Marshall and Bowling Green. All have beaten bowl teams from BCS conferences with the exception of Miami, who played Iowa tough at Iowa and beat a pretty good Colorado St. team.

Originally posted by Honolulu_Blue
Oh how I hate Ohio State.

I really really hate Michigan.

So it all evens out.

Originally posted by Butter_of_69
I really really hate Michigan.

So it all evens out.

How could you hate Michigan? It's just not right. The snappy uniforms. The cool helmets. The awesome fight song. What's not to love? :D

I like your fight song. I'll give you that much. Better than Ohio State's. Best of any school besides Navy (my personal favorite).

Originally posted by scooper

As for your Marshall comment, it's early, but I could realistically see Marshall being the fourth or fifth best team in the MAC this year.

How dare you!!!

I don't know about Marshall being fourth or fifth-best, but I do think Toledo is the team to beat in the conference this year. Not only did they beat #11 Pitt this past weekend but they also knocked off Marshall in Huntington, a very tough place for ANY team to win a game. With the MAC title game being held at the West Division champs' place this year, I think the title will be going through the Glass Bowl!

Originally posted by Superman=#54
Everyone forgets about the real contender for the Big Ten championship.

MINNESOTA!!!

Sadly, I really don't see this happening.

Originally posted by QuikSand
Okay, let's look at the math here. You are saying that it's "more likely" that both of those teams will beat OSU. Therefore, what you are saying is that no matter what the odds of Michigan to beat Ohio State are, you believe that it is more likely than not that Michigan State will beat them as well.

If you want to step up and support this, I'm there for you. We can use PayPal or some way to settle a bet of any amount you like... I'll take Ohio State, you take Michigan State, no point spread needed, of course.

I'm in for my side of that. Carve it in stone.

Didn't see this way back when. Thanks for catching my slip there. I'm usually more precise about what I mean, honest.

I still think both teams have a strong chance to knock off Ohio State, but obviously it's fairly impossible for the odds of both Michigan teams beating them to be stronger than the odds of just Michigan proper beating Ohio State.

See, this is why I had to take Statistics twice.

I'm not sure I'd take Michigan State in that Ohio State tilt either. I wouldn't bet money on it, but I don't think it's a sure win for the Buckeyes from what I've seen.

I thought they'd lose this game. I don't think it'll be the last. The defense is good, but not as good as last year. The offense is not good. Not good at all.

TroyF

If you can stop OSU's running game for 2 quarters (not that hard of a task this season) then OSU completely gives up on it. This is a smashmouth offense that can't move the ball on the ground.

With Iowa, Michigan State, Purdue, and @Michigan still on the schedule its gonna be a rough 2nd half of the season for OSU. In all likelyhood they lose 2 of these games. If they can finish this season with 10 wins its a major accomplishment.

In any case, at least we don't have to listen to all the crap from OSU fans about this team not getting any respect anymore.

for 19 straight games they didnt get any respect...thats a fact and dont deny it.

but we can just agree to disagree on the respect issue and move on.

They lost any respect they were entitled to with that cheap shot on the Wisconsin QB, IMO.

You choke a man who's down, you forfeit respect. Period.

The Ohio State team last year did not get the respect they deserved. The Ohio State team of this year was a different group and was actually getting MORE respect than they deserved IMO.

The choke was one of the cheapest shots I've ever seen on a football field. I hope Ohio State suspends the guy next week. Romo must be his idol.

TroyF

The biggest surprise in this game is that it's being called an upset.

Originally posted by mckerney
The biggest surprise in this game is that it's being called an upset.

Agreed.

TroyF

i hate to get you off your soapbox SackAttack...but a single player does not entitle a whole team to lose the respect they had.

i do agree with you that a cheap shot was taken and i hope he is punished for his stupid actions, but that does not mean you punish the whole team for one players mistakes.

if we did that type of thing, then no team in the country would deserve anything good, cause stupid players make stupid mistakes. maybe we should suspend the whole buckeye team because of one players mistake.

How in the world do you get 8 home games anyways?

Ohio State had a great run, their fans have nothing to be ashamed of.

a single player does not entitle a whole team to lose the respect they had.

If the kid isn't kicked off the team it does. Even if they do, how do you have a player on your team that will CHOAK an opposing player and press down on his adam's apple after the tackle?! I mean, you have to try for that.

Keep telling yourself that, hollmt. They should have benched his ass after that play, and they didn't do it. Not only that, coach Tressel didn't let Reynolds speak to the media after the game, and claimed he didn't see anything but a "pileup."

I'm sorry, that's bullshit, and the fact that he kept Reynolds away from the media shows that he knows it was bullshit.

Dollars to donuts, no disciplinary action is taken against him by Ohio State.

Utterly classless - and I have no particular love for either of these teams.

Originally posted by ISiddiqui
If the kid isn't kicked off the team it does. Even if they do, how do you have a player on your team that will CHOAK an opposing player and press down on his adam's apple after the tackle?! I mean, you have to try for that.

wrong again...if the player doesnt get punished, then you lose respect for the coach and the staff, not the other players and the team. "they" (the team) did not choke a player. a stupid player choked a player and you can lose respect for him.

dola - and to even TRY to excuse that behavior by saying "Oh yeah, well other players on other teams make mistakes too" is pretty goddamn weak, and you know it, hollmt.

We're not talking about a late hit that knocked the QB out of the game, or tackling a guy by the face mask, or anything else that could reasonably be described as 'in the heat of the moment,' or unfolding with the play. Neither of those examples are clean football either, but shit happens.

The man was down, and he reached his hand up and fucking CHOKED him. There's not a single rational defense for that sort of behavior. Not one.

Originally posted by SackAttack
Keep telling yourself that, hollmt. They should have benched his ass after that play, and they didn't do it. Not only that, coach Tressel didn't let Reynolds speak to the media after the game, and claimed he didn't see anything but a "pileup."

I'm sorry, that's bullshit, and the fact that he kept Reynolds away from the media shows that he knows it was bullshit.

Dollars to donuts, no disciplinary action is taken against him by Ohio State.

Utterly classless - and I have no particular love for either of these teams.

well you have your opinion and i have mine. we both have assholes too. but i will stand firm and "keep telling myself that" on the fact that it was a single players actions and not a team action. stop trying to lay blame for one thing so you can keep telling yourself that the buckeyes never deserved any respect.

if the player doesnt get punished, then you lose respect for the coach and the staff, not the other players and the team. "they" (the team) did not choke a player.

Sorry, you are the one who's wrong. The TEAM includes the staff and coach. And the team has sanctioned it if the player doesn't get punished and they accept him back. It shows what kind of player is on OSU.

Just like Romo's actions show what kind of player is on the Raiders, and makes me loose respect for the Oakland franchise.

dude..chill out. i already agreed with you that it was a tastless act by a single player. dont go bashing a whole team.

you seem to miss my point here and that is I AGREE WITH YOU that it was a stupid act.

but i dont agree with you that you should blame the whole team for one players actions.

i dont agree with you that you should blame the whole team for one players actions.

No crap :p. We'll continue to bash the team because it was a classless act by a player and he continued to play. That reflects on the whole team, not just the player.

Originally posted by ISiddiqui
Sorry, you are the one who's wrong. The TEAM includes the staff and coach. And the team has sanctioned it if the player doesn't get punished and they accept him back. It shows what kind of player is on OSU.

Just like Romo's actions show what kind of player is on the Raiders, and makes me loose respect for the Oakland franchise.

if we are going to start doing that then i guess we should have no respect for any college or pro team in the country. romo played for denver, oakland, and who else?

players do stupid stuff on and off the field...and both places they are still representing their team. if they pull a stupid act, then according to your theory, we should lose respect for the whole organization?

players do stupid stuff on and off the field...and both places they are still representing their team. if they pull a stupid act, then according to your theory, we should lose respect for the whole organization?

If the organization sanctions it, then yes.

Originally posted by ISiddiqui
If the organization sanctions it, then yes.

well, then i guess you have no respect for any team in any area of sports, cause their are plenty of shitty players out there who have done some tasteless stuff. if you tell me a team that you do respect, then my bet is you can find a player that played for that organization that did some stupid stuff and didnt get punished. shit happens.

like i said, we can agree to disagree on this and then maybe we can cuddle afterwards!

but now i have to see if i can get through level 5 on viewtiful joe!

Hey, look, yet another verbal dogpile. This time, it's hollmt at the bottom. Damn him for having a dissenting opinion, let's kick him a couple of times for good measure.

SI

no reason to get physical and make attacks. but i am gonna kick some biankie butt!

I can't blame the staff or the university yet. I doubt they saw the play clearly from the sideline. If nothing is done about it this week, I will have a serious problem with the team. You cannot condone conduct like that.

I won't lose respect for everyone on the team, but I'll cheer for them to lose every game they ever play as long as Tressell is the coach. He needs to take a stand this week.

TroyF

Originally posted by hollmt
i hate to get you off your soapbox SackAttack...but a single player does not entitle a whole team to lose the respect they had.

Ohio State had respect? Let's see, Andy Katzenmoyer, telling Robert Smith to quit classes he needed so he could be at practice more, all it took for Clarrett to get suspended.

Ohio State seems to totally ignore the whole student athelete thing.

Originally posted by hollmt
if we are going to start doing that then i guess we should have no respect for any college or pro team in the country. romo played for denver, oakland, and who else?

players do stupid stuff on and off the field...and both places they are still representing their team. if they pull a stupid act, then according to your theory, we should lose respect for the whole organization?If you'd be willing to actually step back for a moment to calmly read SackAttack's and ISiddiqui's posts withOUT reacting in the "anything bad said about anyone or anything associated with the Ohio State program is evil!" mode, perhaps you'd be able to catch their point more without being offended.

The action of that one asshole doesn't say anything about the whole program - Clarett's situation doesn't make Ohio State's program a team of liars anymore than Krenzel's academic success makes Ohio State's program a team of scholars anymore than that jerk's action make Ohio State's program a team of assholes. HOW they (coaches and administrators) will react to that situation will say a lot about the type of program this is in observers' eyes, however.

Originally posted by sterlingice
Hey, look, yet another verbal dogpile. This time, it's hollmt at the bottom. Damn him for having a dissenting opinion, let's kick him a couple of times for good measure.Huh? I don't follow your point on this one, Sterling. All I see are two people (SackAttack and ISiddiqui) disagreeing with hollmt's point. I saw no personal attack on him of any sort, only a disagreement. Am I missing something?

Originally posted by daedalus
If you'd be willing to actually step back for a moment to calmly read SackAttack's and ISiddiqui's posts withOUT reacting in the "anything bad said about anyone or anything associated with the Ohio State program is evil!" mode, perhaps you'd be able to catch their point more without being offended.

The action of that one asshole doesn't say anything about the whole program - Clarett's situation doesn't make Ohio State's program a team of liars anymore than Krenzel's academic success makes Ohio State's program a team of scholars anymore than that jerk's action make Ohio State's program a team of assholes. HOW they (coaches and administrators) will react to that situation will say a lot about the type of program this is in observers' eyes, however.

if id be willing to be calm and step back and read? i have been reading. ill stand firm on what i believe in.

do i blame one player for a single action and lose respect for him...YES!
do i blame the coaching staff yet...NO! BUT...i will if they do not make a stand firm on what the kid did and punish him accordingly.
do i blame the rest of the kids who played a good game and did nothing wrong. ABSOLUTELY NOT!

i will lost trust in the coaching staff and organization if they dont stand firm on a stupid kids action. and i lost respect for a single players actions. i keep agreeing with the other 2 posters on that point, but i will not lose respect in the rest of the kids actions one bit, because they did nothing wrong. at some point and time you have to separate a single players actions with that of a whole team. yes im an avid supporter of ohio state, but im also and avid supporter of a lot of teams even with some stupid players on them.

I don't think Tressell saw the play from the sidelines and probably doesn't want to comment untill he can see the replay. He also most likely held the player away from the media to keep him from making some dumbass statement. I hope the idiot knows what he did was horribly wrong and I am also hoping Tressell punishes him accordingly. If not, the Big 10 should step and and definately do something to set an example, things like that should not happen.

Back to the respect thing, I believe last years team wasn't given proper respect until after the title game, after that however, I don't think they were treated much different than any other championship team. I think their lack of respect stems from all the close games they played last year and 1st half of this year. In today's game, if you can't beat the teams your supposed to beat by at least 2-3 touchdowns people are just going to wait on you to slip up. That's not a knock on Ohio State, if they could beat a team like Miami last season then it really doesn't matter how they got to the title game and how much they beat other teams by, they deserved the win because they outplayed Miami.

I give OSU credit for last year, it was a hell of a season and a special team. But when they stepped on the field this year, you could immediately tell it wasn't the same. It seemed like this OSU team was simply surviving every week. They were ranked based off last years accomplishments, not this seasons play, that was obvious.

Originally posted by The_herd
I don't think Tressell saw the play from the sidelines and probably doesn't want to comment untill he can see the replay. He also most likely held the player away from the media to keep him from making some dumbass statement. I hope the idiot knows what he did was horribly wrong and I am also hoping Tressell punishes him accordingly. If not, the Big 10 should step and and definately do something to set an example, things like that should not happen.

Back to the respect thing, I believe last years team wasn't given proper respect until after the title game, after that however, I don't think they were treated much different than any other championship team. I think their lack of respect stems from all the close games they played last year and 1st half of this year. In today's game, if you can't beat the teams your supposed to beat by at least 2-3 touchdowns people are just going to wait on you to slip up. That's not a knock on Ohio State, if they could beat a team like Miami last season then it really doesn't matter how they got to the title game and how much they beat other teams by, they deserved the win because they outplayed Miami.

I give OSU credit for last year, it was a hell of a season and a special team. But when they stepped on the field this year, you could immediately tell it wasn't the same. It seemed like this OSU team was simply surviving every week. They were ranked based off last years accomplishments, not this seasons play, that was obvious.

Exactly. I wrote a long winded analysis last year of why I thought OSU would beat Miami. The central theme in that piece was how good their defense was when the game was close. That defense simply didn't allow scores in close games. It was something like 5-8 TD's given up the entire year in games that were within 24 points.

This years team wasn't doing that. The defense was giving up a lot of scores in the fourth quarter. Teams were outgaining the Buckeyes on a consistent basis, at the Horseshoe. This team is different on than last year. The Evans TD last night is a perfect example. Last year's OSU team would not have given up that play in that situation.

TroyF

HOW they (coaches and administrators) will react to that situation will say a lot about the type of program this is in observers' eyes, however.

Exactly. And, college players do learn from their coaches. If the coaches don't care, the players will ask why should they?

Originally posted by SackAttack
They lost any respect they were entitled to with that cheap shot on the Wisconsin QB, IMO.

You choke a man who's down, you forfeit respect. Period.

They never had any.

Don't you read what I write?

Most. wretched. hive. of. scum. and. villiany.

Oh yeah, way to Wisconsin!!

Woo-hoo!!!! :D