Had to get this going this week.

NDSU is rolling 31-7 just before half. The defense has been in control all game.

FRISCO is CALLING!!!

45-7 now.

The team is averaging almost 10 yards per carry and the defense still hasn't allowed 100 yards total yet.

I've never seen a team at this level that can just completely dominate every facet of the game. Yeah they have had some weak halves but they have always found a way to win.

Only score for NH is a pick 6 on the first possession of the game.

One of the most impressive stats for the team this year: They have allowed 7 punt return yards. Total. Long of 5. That's it.

Congrats to NDSU! They are looking pretty unstoppable right now.

I'm all for Bohl getting a third ring before heading to Laramie. Works for me.

Meanwhile, UW-Whitewater won their 4th D3 title in 5 years over Mount Union in the D3 Stagg Bowl. It's the 9th straight national title appearance for Pierre Garcon's alma mater and for Whitewater, it's their 5th national championship in school history, all coming since 2007 and each time, they've beaten Mount Union to claim the title.

Clearly whatever game they're playing isn't the same game as everyone else.

Warhawks channel near perfection - D3football (http://d3football.com/playoffs/2013/warhawks-channel-near-perfection)

An oldish Grantland article about Mount Union's absurd dominance, even this another title game loss.: http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8757311/division-iii-mount-union-football-team-head-coach-larry-kehres

This NDSU team had 24 seniors on it. When they were freshmen, they lost in the Semi's to eventual champs Eastern Washington. As sophs and juniors, they won. As seniors they went undefeated, including beating Kansas State on the road in the opener. It would be totally appropriate to play Eastern again this year to try and complete the circle.

Our QB Brock Jensen has been the starter for all 4 years. That's one helluva ride. During that time he has beaten not only K-State, but Minnesota, Colorado State, and Kansas. This level is just hard to wrap my head around.

Well based on one half of football it sure seems like Derek Carr got his happy feet from his brother. Doesn't look like a first round pick to me.

Wazzu has imploded!

Someone is getting locked in the shed

From the "He is actually a coach?!" file, former Steeler, Dolphin and Cardinal LB Joey Porter is on the CSU coaching staff.

Always fun to see the Cougs cougin it!

From the "He is actually a coach?!" file, former Steeler, Dolphin and Cardinal LB Joey Porter is on the CSU coaching staff.

Undergrad assistant IIRC

Work hard and you get to go to Idaho in December for your bowl game!

USC trying to run the score up and in danger of letting FSU back in the game. No worries, no PAC-12 team blew a bowl game today

Wazzu has imploded!
And THAT my friends is a classic example of why the term "Cougin' it" exists.

How freakin ironic is it that Towson and NDSU will play for the FCS National Championship, but on this very same day, both schools basketball teams play, in what I think is the first matchup between them ever.

And THAT my friends is a classic example of why the term "Cougin' it" exists.
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

How freakin ironic is it that Towson and NDSU will play for the FCS National Championship, but on this very same day, both schools basketball teams play, in what I think is the first matchup between them ever.

Towson can win, but I think it is unlikely. They cannot turn the ball over like they do because NDST is too talented and they can't take a quarter off like they normally do. They are extremely talented but can't seem to put together a complete game.

When Coach Ambrose took over in 2009 his first two seasons were a combined 3-19. I really believe he will be coaching at the FBS level next year.

How freakin ironic is it that Towson and NDSU will play for the FCS National Championship, but on this very same day, both schools basketball teams play, in what I think is the first matchup between them ever.

wow that's pretty wild

Gardner looks to be out with turf toe that was originally deemed "not an issue" and thus Shane Morris looks to start for Michigan. I doubt Morris will do much, but for Gardner's sanity, he's likely hoping Morris doesn't do too well since fans have been itching for Morris to get reps ever since he committed.

Hilarious. For those that wonder why college football players love to go to a bowl game......

Missouri Tigers Go Crazy When They Find out They Get iPad Minis as Bowl Swag | Bleacher Report (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1899904-missouri-tigers-go-crazy-when-they-find-out-they-get-ipad-minis-as-bowl-swag)

Hilarious. For those that wonder why college football players love to go to a bowl game......

Missouri Tigers Go Crazy When They Find out They Get iPad Minis as Bowl Swag | Bleacher Report (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1899904-missouri-tigers-go-crazy-when-they-find-out-they-get-ipad-minis-as-bowl-swag)

Shocking. Pinstripe Bowl and another are giving out PS4s

Sun Bowl is giving out hair dryers

Hilarious. For those that wonder why college football players love to go to a bowl game......

Missouri Tigers Go Crazy When They Find out They Get iPad Minis as Bowl Swag | Bleacher Report (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1899904-missouri-tigers-go-crazy-when-they-find-out-they-get-ipad-minis-as-bowl-swag)

But a free tattoo will get you suspended.

Boise St. sent home their starting QB from their bowl game for urinating off a hotel balcony. Three other players pointed the finger at him. The team dropped him off at the airport at noon for an 8PM flight. He says he didn't do it, and got a polygraph done as soon as he got back to Boise. Not sure how that'll help. Sounds like a fun week for the stand-in coach. Edit: I wonder if he still gets his Ipad Mini or PS4 or whatever.

Shocking. Pinstripe Bowl and another are giving out PS4s

Sounds like the Pinstripe Bowl has stepped its swag up a notch.

Hilarious. For those that wonder why college football players love to go to a bowl game......

Missouri Tigers Go Crazy When They Find out They Get iPad Minis as Bowl Swag | Bleacher Report (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1899904-missouri-tigers-go-crazy-when-they-find-out-they-get-ipad-minis-as-bowl-swag)

Weird . Since the NCAA allowed iPads to be issued in 2011 as film study aids, I didn't know a college around that hadn't already given all their athletes iPads. And Uhhh yeah iTunes fraud is the new 50 hand shake.

Weird . Since the NCAA allowed iPads to be issued in 2011 as film study aids, I didn't know a college around that hadn't already given all their athletes iPads. And Uhhh yeah iTunes fraud is the new 50 hand shake.

They probably got happy because they're easy to sell.

For the second time in a month Jadaveon Clowney is ticketed for driving 30+ mph over....

Long career ahead of him.

2 speeding tickets, looks like we got the next Aaron Hernandez on our hands.

2 30+ mph speeding tickets.
1 of which was for 110mph the other 88 in a residential zone...in 23 days.

Id say it is at least worth mentioning, no?

Never said he was Hernandez, though I know for a fact one NFL scout has made that exact comparison. But in the Body of Tarzan, brain of the cheetah sense not in the multi murderer sense.

Still happy that Bowling Green saved us from having NIU in a BCS bowl again this year.

2 30+ mph speeding tickets.
1 of which was for 110mph the other 88 in a residential zone...in 23 days.

Id say it is at least worth mentioning, no?

Never said he was Hernandez, though I know for a fact one NFL scout has made that exact comparison. But in the Body of Tarzan, brain of the cheetah sense not in the multi murderer sense.

I thought the first ticket was a bunch of bullshit made up to cover for him being academically ineligible for the bowl game?

I thought the first ticket was a bunch of bullshit made up to cover for him being academically ineligible for the bowl game?

Whatever happened to crazy? - Chris Rock

I loved Spurrier's answers when asked about the latest ticket. The ol' ball coach ain't exactly good at hiding his feelings ;)

I thought the first ticket was a bunch of bullshit made up to cover for him being academically ineligible for the bowl game?



Just to be clear. This is what I said on 12/10.

Well he will be academically ineligible. He hasnt attended class all year and has lived off campus only coming to practices, and he was only an academic Sophomore coming in (in year 3)....conspiracy theorists suggest that the speeding ticket (in which he was stopped by a SC booster whos father played football for SC in the 70s) was created in order to allow him to be suspended for the bowl game without losing face. (He had already told team mates he wasnt going to risk injury and the academic thing)

"Conspiracy Theorists suggest"

That said, I still maintain that he is academically ineligible and that Spurrier is aware of that fact. I have been told however that he will play as the NCAA has no teeth here regarding bowl games after the tOSU charade a few years back.

Defense is playing well, offense is moving the ball well, and you just decided to kick a FG on 4th and goal from the 2 (after running unsuccessfully 3 straight times). So what do you do when you are driving the next series and get it down to the 20? Half-back option FTP (for the pick)!!

Ditch Flood!

Defense is playing well, offense is moving the ball well, and you just decided to kick a FG on 4th and goal from the 2 (after running unsuccessfully 3 straight times). So what do you do when you are driving the next series and get it down to the 20? Half-back option FTP (for the pick)!!

Ditch Flood!

Plus One. Then you call a timeout with 30 seconds left in the half and let them punt, then proceed to take a knee with 2 timeouts left. Mind-boggling.

Give the Notre Dame kicker the Oscar.

Did not see a UNC blowout in the cards.

Louisville looking real good tonight. Bridgewater's put on a show.

Miami before FSU: 124 pts allowed in 7 games ... 17.7 ppg vs 3 bowl eligible teams
Miami FSU & after: 224 pts allowed in 6 games ... 37.3 ppg vs 5 bowl eligible teams

With Duke vs without ....

With Duke vs without ....

That was, incidentally, how I started to post it ... and then I realized they gave up 35 to FSU before Duke got hurt ('Noles only added 2 FG's after Johnson's last carry)

For all of the talk on Michigan's offense, the defense, which has near zero reasons to be this subpar, has performed terrible and continues to do so. I know Michigan needs DL but still.

This game... just. Ugh.

I'm glad I haven't bothered turning on the television. This is just a lost year in Michigan sports.

And now we have basketball without our All-America center to look forward to watching.

Anyone notice the Big Ten went 14-1 in the first two rounds of the NCAA volleyball tournament - the one that ended with Penn State beating Wisconsin? Yeah, no surprise about that -1 there.

I legitimately don't understand Michigan's offensive game plan. Freshman QB starting his first game and asked to throw more than twice as much as they run the ball. Seven "rushers" with a total of 13 carries. 5-star RB you recruited has a carry for 5 yards and got it in the second half while your TE/WE had two carries in the first half.

That was, incidentally, how I started to post it ... and then I realized they gave up 35 to FSU before Duke got hurt ('Noles only added 2 FG's after Johnson's last carry)

To be fair...FSU has done that to everyone though.

Mone or Peppers please!

I legitimately don't understand Michigan's offensive game plan. Freshman QB starting his first game and asked to throw more than twice as much as they run the ball. Seven "rushers" with a total of 13 carries. 5-star RB you recruited has a carry for 5 yards and got it in the second half while your TE/WE had two carries in the first half.

They were trying not to slip in the draft?

I like the helmets that Navy is wearing.

I like the helmets that Navy is wearing.

As someone who works for the federal government, I feel like I should never be in my office at the same time that Navy is playing a football game.

As someone who is an American, I feel like I should never be in my office at the same time that Navy is playing a football game.

FTFM.

I've watched the Navy - MTSU game for all of 5 minutes and all I've noticed is what a bunch of dirty stupid mother fuckers play for Middle Tennessee State.

I really oughta be more excited (or at least interested) in this GT-Ole Miss game.

Sadly this game is going exactly how I expected. 20-7 Ole Miss, looking to score again.

For the love of all that's holy ... will the powers that be PLEASE put Georgia Tech fans out of Paul Johnson's misery?

He's like the Reggie Ball of coaches.

Makes sense - our two stops don't count due to offensive penalties, then they convert

Frustrated

Hate to be in charge of selling GT season tickets next year: home games against Wofford and Georgia Southern, plus the year with the craptastic ACC lineup + Clemson. At least the fans will be pumped for traveling to Tulane to play.

Shitty home schedules = shitty home attendance = no money to dispose of crappy coach. Rinse and repeat.

Oh, but at least we keep the bowl streak going.

Hate to be in charge of selling GT season tickets next year: home games against Wofford and Georgia Southern, plus the year with the craptastic ACC lineup + Clemson.

Hey, at least there's two possibly winnable games on the slate.

Hey, at least there's two possibly winnable games on the slate.

I'm not so sure - Georgia Southern is much more disciplined in running their option than GT is.

When I got home, my son was finishing up watching the Ole Miss game (he has not missed a single bowl game and will not since he doesn't go back to school until the 7th). I commented to him that it has probably been 12 years since GT has completed a forward pass. Maybe one of these years, they will progress to at least the 1980s.

That's funny, but Demaryius Thomas and Calvin Johnson say hi.

I'm not so sure - Georgia Southern is much more disciplined in running their option than GT is.

And has at least as much D1 talent.

That was the outcome I was afraid of when they announced Oregon as the team Texas would face in the Alamo Bowl. But the defense played much better than I was expecting, and the offense was abysmal.

And that ends the 16 year Mack Brown era. The good times far outweighed the bad. 2nd winning-est coach in Texas history, and #10 all time.

Washington RB Bishop Sankey to enter NFL Draft - CBSSports.com (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/eye-on-college-football/24392399/washington-rb-bishop-sankey-to-enter-nfl-draft)

sad to see him go but don't blame him. ASF gone as well.

Uh oh, Izulde. Look who one of my buddies (who might be the biggest North Texas fan on the planet) ran into tonight at a bar in Dallas.

http://www.fofc-bbcf.com/unlv.jpg

Stat of the game: McCoy finished with 48 passing yards and no touchdowns. The two passes he completed to Oregon defenders were returned for a total of 75 yards and two touchdowns.

Holy hell.

That's funny, but Demaryius Thomas and Calvin Johnson say hi.

It is almost hard to believe that this same team is where Megatron was catching passes not too long ago.

Uh oh, Izulde. Look who one of my buddies (who might be the biggest North Texas fan on the planet) ran into tonight at a bar in Dallas.

http://www.fofc-bbcf.com/unlv.jpg

:lol: In town for the Heart of Dallas Bowl, of course. But yeah, that would be something... first UNT steals our terrific president and then they'd turn around and steal our coach.

Peach Bowl has been simply ridiculous

I was trying to find this thread. Saw a few minutes in the first half and saw it wasn't much of a game with something like 24-10 Duke. But now A&M has a 52-48 lead with Duke with the ball

SI

...And it's over

SI

Tragic that such horrible officiating mars such an amazing game.

The final couple of minutes were called like the refs had cash riding on it.

Tragic that such horrible officiating mars such an amazing game.

The final couple of minutes were called like the refs had cash riding on it.

No kidding. And it's not like it was a big name bowl or anything where it mattered a lot who won. Obviously it mattered to A&M and Duke but not like a high profile game.

SI

Yeah, I was so pissed at the refs screwing the ending of a great game, it's ridiculous. And the Johnny Football fellating by the announcers, while expected, also irritated.

Couldn't watch - what happened?

Watching Johnny football jump around pumping his teammates up made him look silly. He looked like a ten year old with all the big guys around.

Tragic that such horrible officiating mars such an amazing game.

The final couple of minutes were called like the refs had cash riding on it.
Agreed.

Watching Johnny football jump around pumping his teammates up made him look silly. He looked like a ten year old with all the big guys around.

Damn him for having fun.

Watching the 2005 Iowa/LSU Cap One Bowl on BTN right now in preparation for the Outback today. This was a great game if you havent seen it. LSU is down by 12 with 12 minutes left in the game right now. JaMarcus Russell has entered the game at QB.

Cant wait for the Outback.

Go Hawks!

Damn him for having fun.

I dont think he was having fun, throwing his helmet trying to get in Mike's face as he walked away and ignored him.

Thankful for a 10 win season for UCLA after dismantling VT is a rather boring way

Dear Heart of Dallas Bowl announcers, I realize this is a de facto home game for North Texas, but there's more than one team in this game.

Dear Heart of Dallas Bowl announcers, I realize this is a de facto home game for North Texas, but there's more than one team in this game.

Wait UNLV plays football. I thought they only had the basketball Running Rebels.

Scary start for Iowa. LSU ran it down our throats for a TD. And Iowa just punted on the 1st possession.

Im nervous.

Wait UNLV plays football. I thought they only had the basketball Running Rebels.

Sure seems like it sometimes.

7-7 at the half. Been a tight, close game with neither team able to break through other than one drive, and we'd be up 7-0 if our true frosh punt returner hadn't fumbled the ball.

I think having a 7-5 mountain west team against an 8-4 conference USA team on the same day as the rose bowl is a disgrace to the college football tradition.

That's nice. I don't. With the NCAA and college football's long history of corruption and pursuit of the dollar above everything else, being offended at a minor bowl game on New Year's Days is pretty silly and petty IMO.

Considering the rich and prestigious history of the rose bowl, why would you have two non AQ teams playing on the same day as the most important bowl game. I wish they would have the cotton before the rose bowl.

Why can't defensive backs hold the ball as they cross the goal line. It's stupid but it's not that hard

Whew. Gonna be a good finish in the Cap One.

Badgers wout this decent QB though. Phillips is close to worthless..so our RBs will need to be big in laat ten minutes.

I feel bad for Georgia. They came into the season a top 5 team, the favorite to win the sec east, a heisman trophy candidate in Aaron Murray. But injuries to Murray and their top 3 receivers and top 2 running backs just destroy their season. Too bad Nebraska won; I just can't stand Bo Pelini.

Let the conspiracy theories begin. LSU -7.5 against Iowa and the refs overturn a call that should never have been to reverse a recovered fumble and let Iowa keep the ball on the LSU 5 with just over a minute left and LSU leading by 14. Iowa of course then scores the next play

I feel bad for Georgia. They came into the season a top 5 team, the favorite to win the sec east, a heisman trophy candidate in Aaron Murray. But injuries to Murray and their top 3 receivers and top 2 running backs just destroy their season. Too bad Nebraska won; I just can't stand Bo Pelini.

More sad, it is currently the Big Ten's only bowl win.

MSU gets a gift on a pass interference call in the end zone, but our genius of a head coach calls for the Wildcat from our own 5 yard line with no motion. 10-7 Stanford right now.

Gift Pick Six right there.

I doubt Shaw will be getting looks at other jobs after this game. It feels like MSU should be up by more and can still easily pull away.

No worries Shaw, you can keep running the ball up the middle, we have the 5th quarter still

Rose Bowl has been entertaining but Michigan State should be up by more.

I think that last Stanford drive tells the NFL everything they need to know about Kevin Hogan.

More sad, it is currently the Big Ten's only bowl win.

Well with MSU's win that fact doesn't stand.

Stanford was good when they were aggressive but lost because they were too conservative.:banghead:

Wow.. Baylor coming out flat, UCF coming out gangbusters.. will it last?

Or to paraphrase from the Rocky Movies...

"They don't think it's a show... they think it's a damn game!"

Sick TD by Bryce Petty and the shots of his mom were priceless.

Considering the rich and prestigious history of the rose bowl, why would you have two non AQ teams playing on the same day as the most important bowl game. I wish they would have the cotton before the rose bowl.

Uh... its like you've never heard of the days when there'd be like 10 bowl games on New Years Day, with all sorts of bowls, from big to small.

But back then bowl games were for the good teams, not the mediocre.

Uh... its like you've never heard of the days when there'd be like 10 bowl games on New Years Day, with all sorts of bowls, from big to small.

Well, "small" might be a little overstating it. I mean, his specific gripe was about bowls with non-AQ teams

2014 NYD: 6 games including 2 non-AQ teams. 20 non-AQ teams will go bowling this year, including two that will play on Sun Jan 5th.

*Yes, I screwed up & pulled one year too soon on all of these but these snapshots should still close enough to make the point*

2003 NYD: 6 games all featured teams from AQ conferences, only 12 non-AQ teams went bowling at all, the last to play was Boise State on 12/31 (Humanitarian)

1993 NYD: 8 games all featured teams from AQ conferences, only 7 non-AQ teams went bowling at all, the last to play was Air Force on 12/31 (Liberty)

1983 NYD: 5 games all featured teams from AQ conferences, only 4 non-AQ teams went bowling at all, the last to play was Air Force on 12/31 (Hall of Fame)

1973 NYD: 3 games all featured teams from AQ conferences, only 2 non-AQ teams went bowling at all, Tampa & Kent State played in the Tangerine Bowl on 12/29.

edit to note: for the purpose of these snapshots I counted Notre Dame as being "from an AQ conference"

Glad to see MSU pull off the win in the Rose Bowl! Great job!

Glad to see MSU pull off the win in the Rose Bowl! Great job!

I am beyond happy. This feels even better than the 2000 basketball championship. :D

Now I just hope it's not another 26 before they win again.

Ok, I'm about to speak treason, probably insanity, but considering the last two years have seen a 14.5 point underdog win (Louisville over Florida) and this year saw a 17 point underdog win (Central Florida over Baylor).. you know, I'm going to miss the BCS if smaller teams can't get into the big name games (I'm not talking about national semifinal games, cause it'd be foolish to say that UCF deserves that).. but big name, big payday games.

Ok, I'm about to speak treason, probably insanity, but considering the last two years have seen a 14.5 point underdog win (Louisville over Florida) and this year saw a 17 point underdog win (Central Florida over Baylor).. you know, I'm going to miss the BCS if smaller teams can't get into the big name games (I'm not talking about national semifinal games, cause it'd be foolish to say that UCF deserves that).. but big name, big payday games.

Its hard to say what would be foolish.

UCF did almost everything they could have this year including winning tough road games at Louisville and Penn St. They certainly played like a team that could compete with any team.

Interesting numbers I saw on Twitter last night as the BCS era ends...

- AAC/Big East BCS wins: 9 (7 losses)
- Big 12 wins: 9 (12 losses) - with Oklahoma pending
- ACC wins: 3 (13 losses) - Clemson/FSU pending

- Notre Dame BCS victories: 0
- George O'Leary BCS victories: 1

Ok, I'm about to speak treason, probably insanity, but considering the last two years have seen a 14.5 point underdog win (Louisville over Florida) and this year saw a 17 point underdog win (Central Florida over Baylor).. you know, I'm going to miss the BCS if smaller teams can't get into the big name games (I'm not talking about national semifinal games, cause it'd be foolish to say that UCF deserves that).. but big name, big payday games.

You may need to define "big name, big payday" games.

Orange, Rose, Sugar, Fiesta, CFA/Peach, Cotton are the 6 tied to the new system ... with new contracts in place for their participants in non-playoff years

Rose: Big 10 vs Pac 12 (champs, or highest if lost to playoff)
Orange: ACC vs B10 #2/SEC #2/ND
Sugar: Big 12 vs SEC (champs, or highest if lost to playoff)
Cotton: At-Large or highest "Group of 5" (or "Go5") team
Peach: At-Large or highest "Group of 5" (or "Go5") team
Fiesta: At-Large or highest "Group of 5" (or "Go5") team

*Go5 = AAC, C-USA, MAC, MWC, Sun Belt

So if this year's final rankings had been applied to the new system next year, we'd have gotten:

Rose & Sugar get ... FSU vs Michigan State and Auburn vs Alabama v2.0

Not sure what order the committee will assign games, nor how they'll pair them exactly but the other 8 teams would likely have been:


Stanford (PAC12 champ auto-bid), Baylor (Big12 champ auto-bid), Ohio State, Missouri, South Carolina
Oklahoma (or maybe Oregon), Clemson (ACC runner-up to Orange), UCF (highest Go5 champ auto-bid)

Given that geography can be considered, I imagine we'd have gotten
Orange: Clemson (ACC #2) vs Ohio State (basically has to be SEC or B10 or ND)
Peach: South Carolina vs UCF
Fiesta: Stanford vs Oklahoma
Cotton: Baylor vs Missouri

Next highest paying bowls? Here are the ones outside of the above that were north of $3m this year, and their bowl ties for the next cycle
Capital One: Big 10/ACC vs SEC #2
Outback: Big 10 vs SEC 3-8
Gator: Big 12 or ACC 3-6 vs SEC 3-8
Alamo: Big 12 #2 vs Pac 12
Buffalo Wild Wings: Big 12 vs Pac 12

But look on the bright side ... next year we'll have at least 4 NEW bowl games for the Go5 teams to attend.
(Miami Beach, Boca Raton, Camelia, Bahamas)

But back then bowl games were for the good teams, not the mediocre.

I just don't undersatnd this sentiment. Who cares how many teams go to games.

My school is University of Washington. Were we good enough to go to a "major" bowl game, not really, but as a fan and alum I love the fact I got to see one more game and the program gets additonal practices. It is also a fun experience for the kids and a goal for them.

Where is the negative?

Not directed at you specificaly, but if you don't like all the bowls a simple solution is don't watch them. There are plenty of other things on TV and a whole world outside.

Turn on the TV at 5:00 on New Years day and start your bowl season then. Doesn't seem too hard.

Well, "small" might be a little overstating it. I mean, his specific gripe was about bowls with non-AQ teams

Though he did say afterwards those bowl games were for "good teams" not "mediocre ones". Which, of course, is interpretation, but I'd rather take a 1 or 2 loss non-AQ team than a 6 loss AQ team as a "good team".

I just don't undersatnd this sentiment. Who cares how many teams go to games.

My school is University of Washington. Were we good enough to go to a "major" bowl game, not really, but as a fan and alum I love the fact I got to see one more game and the program gets additonal practices. It is also a fun experience for the kids and a goal for them.

Where is the negative?

Not directed at you specificaly, but if you don't like all the bowls a simple solution is don't watch them. There are plenty of other things on TV and a whole world outside.

Turn on the TV at 5:00 on New Years day and start your bowl season then. Doesn't seem too hard.

Said this in another thread...but the only problem I have is when going to any bowl game is used as some sort of positive measure of performance. Especially when it's used as the basis for why a school would continue to employ a shitty coach, because he happened to go 6-6 and earn a spot available to more than half the teams in FBS.

Though he did say afterwards those bowl games were for "good teams" not "mediocre ones". Which, of course, is interpretation, but I'd rather take a 1 or 2 loss non-AQ team than a 6 loss AQ team as a "good team".

How often do we get 6 loss AQ teams in those bowls though?

How often do we get 6 loss AQ teams in those bowls though?

Are we talking New Year's Day only? I'm getting confused.

FWIW, the ACC by itself put SIX 6-loss teams into bowls this year. I don't think any were 1/1 bowls though.

Are we talking New Year's Day only? I'm getting confused.

No worries, me too ;)

The 6-loss and/or "mediocre" teams bit was (I think) in reference to a complaint up the thread about who played on 1/1 this year.

That's different from the overall bowl discussion, best I could figure (although IIRC 6-loss team on 1/1 may have happened once or twice previously because of the ACC)

It was more illustrative ;).

There are more than a few mid major teams I'd like to see on New Years Day other than Virginia Tech this year, for example.

I just don't undersatnd this sentiment. Who cares how many teams go to games.

My school is University of Washington. Were we good enough to go to a "major" bowl game, not really, but as a fan and alum I love the fact I got to see one more game and the program gets additonal practices. It is also a fun experience for the kids and a goal for them.

Where is the negative?

Not directed at you specificaly, but if you don't like all the bowls a simple solution is don't watch them. There are plenty of other things on TV and a whole world outside.

Turn on the TV at 5:00 on New Years day and start your bowl season then. Doesn't seem too hard.

I do its just I have a major issue of rewarding mediocrity on the same day that the Rose Bowl rewards great success from the Big ten and Pac 12.I think Washington got a great bowl game and I'm pleased they won and I support the bowls that pit teams that are at least 8-4. But I'm against a measly game between UNLV and North Texas,(which I'm so happy UNLV lost) on New Years Day, which in my opinion should have the fiesta bowl on New Year's Eve, Sugar at 10 MT, Cotton at 12 MT, Orange at 1:30 MT, Rose at 3 MT, and the championship game at 7 MT. Have all the other bowl games before, not on New Years Day. I just hate the NCAA values money over tradition.:banghead:

again-just don't watch.

Have a bloody mary and nurse your hang over. Rose Bowl starts at 5

My god a lot has happened in six minutes.

Vad Lee is transferring from Georgia Tech.... Not sure where to

Vad Lee is transferring from Georgia Tech.... Not sure where to

Good riddance.

His little "pay the players" uniform stunt took away most of my ability to genuinely root for him (save for the UGA game) & left me watching less / less interested in Tech football this season than I've been since I was about 4 years old.

I just hate the NCAA values money over tradition.:banghead:

The NCAA doesn't control kickoff times nor schedules. That's between the bowls & the networks who are paying the freight.

Meanwhile, Oklahoma is taking it to Bama. Wow!

Meanwhile, Oklahoma is taking it to Bama. Wow!

A single score isn't really taking it to the other team. All the more so when you are being out gained.

Well, you don't win turning it over three times in a half.

In order to make a throat slash gesture wouldnt you need to either put your hand near your throat or make a slashing gesture? I didnt see either.

Oklahoma is just eating up the Bama offensive line. I didn't expect that to happen.

Attention Da'Shawn Hand... It's not too late to reconsider. :)

Oklahoma is just eating up the Bama offensive line. I didn't expect that to happen.

Funny to say that considering 'Bama had 362 total yards at half.

I guess the good news is 'Bama likely couldn't have played worse. The problem being I don't think their D can contain OU long enough to overcome the 14 points. I figured it was either 'Bama will a big win, or they will play like crap since they were not in the title game. I guess I'm getting my answer. A ton of yards only goes so far.

Okie did work in the first half. This qb looks good.

again-just don't watch.

Have a bloody mary and nurse your hang over. Rose Bowl starts at 5

+1 Also according to Patriotsfan12 he is 16 years old so no blood marys :)

Of the possible issues 'Bama could of had this season, their defense wasn't even on the radar, but it has been abused a number of times this season to where I don't see Smart going anywhere. This is frustrating as hell to have both of the teams I cheer for put in subpar performances during a bowl game.

Vad Lee is transferring from Georgia Tech.... Not sure where to

Nooooooooooo.....


As a Clemson fan who has seen very good defenders struggle against CPJ with a semi competent QB this is heart breaking :)

It's interesting Saban never gets heat for any performance but his teams record in non MNC bowl games is nothing to write home about....

This Henry kid is insane...

Nooooooooooo..... As a Clemson fan who has seen very good defenders struggle against CPJ with a semi competent QB this is heart breaking :)

UGA fans have had a similar reaction.

You may know this off-hand better than me (proximity & all), I'm too lazy to look it up atm ... what sort of FCS options would he have back in NC? Elon came to mind off hand, NC A&T I guess. Who am I leaving out?

(some early speculation has been that he might look closer to home)

7 sacks ain't no way to go through life son

The Sugar Bowl is cordially invited to join the Orange Bowl in autofornication.

Loving the BCS upsets :).

This Trevor Knight kid is pretty good. The final drive by the Sooners was great in bleeding down the clock.

It's interesting Saban never gets heat for any performance but his teams record in non MNC bowl games is nothing to write home about....

People tend to forgive when you win 4 tittles in such a short span.

Stoops is the first coach to win all 5 BCS bowl games

UGA fans have had a similar reaction.

You may know this off-hand better than me (proximity & all), I'm too lazy to look it up atm ... what sort of FCS options would he have back in NC? Elon came to mind off hand, NC A&T I guess. Who am I leaving out?

(some early speculation has been that he might look closer to home)

Apparently going to JMU

Loving the BCS upsets :).

This Trevor Knight kid is pretty good. The final drive by the Sooners was great in bleeding down the clock.

Knight never looked this good all season. Picked a great time to shine. I think they certainly caught an Alabama team still thinking about the Auburn game.

UGA fans have had a similar reaction.

You may know this off-hand better than me (proximity & all), I'm too lazy to look it up atm ... what sort of FCS options would he have back in NC? Elon came to mind off hand, NC A&T I guess. Who am I leaving out?

(some early speculation has been that he might look closer to home)

James Madison

I know people are going to say that (Alabama was still thinking about Auburn), but this was a team that racked up over 500 yards of offence. They seemed pretty "in" the game. Turnovers were what killed them.

SEC has looked human this bowl season. Even in winning efforts, the games have been close. As someone who watches Sportscenter, I'm shocked.

I know people are going to say that (Alabama was still thinking about Auburn), but this was a team that racked up over 500 yards of offence. They seemed pretty "in" the game. Turnovers were what killed them.

Turnovers and defensive missed assignments are generally a sign of an unfocused team.

The offensive output had a lot to do with playing catch up the entire game.

I know we cant really prove if they were focused or not but to me this didnt look like the focused bama squad we usually see and Oklahoma jumped on the opportunity.

Boomer!

I know people are going to say that (Alabama was still thinking about Auburn), but this was a team that racked up over 500 yards of offence. They seemed pretty "in" the game. Turnovers were what killed them.

They racked up yardage due to talent. Turnovers and sacks on offense and lackluster performance on defense points to them not being on their game. I'm still pissed about the whole thing, but I also understand the graduating class just finished one hell of a run even with the loss.

This Henry kid is insane...Jump on the bandwagon ;) (Back from October 2012 after I watched a Yulee game)Bama recruiting-wise, I know RB isn't exactly a weak position right now, but Derrick Henry looks like a beastI know, not exactly going out on a limb to say that about a 5* RB, but I'd take him over Yeldon, Lacy, Drake, Tenpenny, Hart, Ingram.

So our house is going to be divided tonight. I am a huge Clemson fan, born with orange running through my veins, and my husband (Butter of 69) is a huge Buckeye. No matter who wins tonight, someone is going to be unhappy.

Funny to say that considering 'Bama had 362 total yards at half.

I guess the good news is 'Bama likely couldn't have played worse. The problem being I don't think their D can contain OU long enough to overcome the 14 points. I figured it was either 'Bama will a big win, or they will play like crap since they were not in the title game. I guess I'm getting my answer. A ton of yards only goes so far.

It's almost as if it had nothing to do with the team on the other side of the field. I realize there are kids involved and mentality has a lot to do with it, but it's a nice cheap way to not give credit to the team they are playing.

Alabama's a bit of a paper tiger this year. They were thought of as some juggernaut but they only beat 2 teams that are currently ranked (LSU and A&M) and neither are going to finish in the top 10.

SI

If 'Bama mentally shows up in their last two games, they are playing for the title. Period. Yes, Auburn and Oklahoma did their part, but even Saban said after the LSU game the team started to lose focus, and it finally caught up with them. The problem with winning so much is you take things for granted and teams start putting a bulls-eye on you. The good news for 'Bama is with the loses from various players and somebody else being the defending champ they can focus on reloading and not being so much the team to beat even though it will likely make a team's season if they beat the Tide.

Turnovers and defensive missed assignments are generally a sign of an unfocused team.

Or, you know, the turnovers could be due to Oklahoma's defense (the last fumble definitely was, for instance ;)).

Usually when a team is 'unfocuses', they get torched in the 1st Quarter and then can't catch up. At the end of the 1st Quarter it was 14-10 OU. So was Alabama focused and then got unfocused in the 2nd Q, because they suddenly remembered the Auburn game? ;)

This is just an attempt to excuse the SEC getting beat, and its tiring to constantly see it over and over again.

This "lack of focus" bullshit needs to stop. It's pretty pathetic.

Trevor Knight impressed the hell out of me last night. Pinpoint accuracy on deep balls and some really nice throws on the run.

This is just an attempt to excuse the SEC getting beat, and its tiring to constantly see it over and over again.

I don't give a rat's rear end about the rest of the SEC. I could at least see excuses about Georgia getting beat due to injuries. If Auburn gets beat, it will be due to their lack of defense. OU and 'Bama played outside of their norms. You can now start listing the games where 'Bama had 3 TOs, gave up 7 sacks, and had a freshman QB score 4 TDs on them, or list when OU had said freshman score 4 TDs. If you think 'Bama's focus wasn't part of it, then I would really like to smoke what you are smoking since the only reason those stats happened was apparently due to OU. Saban said they have been having lackluster practices for weeks. The players themselves admitted they missed numerous assignments. Again, OU put in the work to win, but it takes two to tango.

It's convenient that the SEC always has excuses.

This is just an attempt to excuse the SEC getting beat, and its tiring to constantly see it over and over again.

I get sick of the SEC just like most everyone else and Oklahoma still had to go out their and seize their opportunity, But lets put things into perspective. Alabama was some very fluke events from being in the National Championship while I think anyone that watched the Sooners would say they underachieved this year and their QB situation this year was as bad as its been in the Stoops era. Vegas listed Alabama as almost 3 tds favs and they usually have some idea of what is going on.

People tend to have short memories:)

Not that it matters in the grand scheme or anything but ... is Michigan State going to end up ranked #2 when all is said & done? What if Auburn nips FSU at the end on some fluke or something? Who's #2 then?

And did Oklahoma move themselves to the head of the 2-loss group with that win last night?

It's convenient that the SEC always has excuses.

Any team that loses has excuses. It just isnt a SEC thing.

Vegas listed Alabama as almost 3 tds favs and they usually have some idea of what is going on.

People tend to have short memories:)Evidently. (http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?id=290020333)

Not that it matters in the grand scheme or anything but ... is Michigan State going to end up ranked #2 when all is said & done? What if Auburn nips FSU at the end on some fluke or something? Who's #2 then?

And did Oklahoma move themselves to the head of the 2-loss group with that win last night?

You would think the voters would put FSU #2 in this scenario. Not sure on the Sooners. The computers tend to like many of the 2 loss teams a lot more and even a 3 loss team(Arizona St).

Evidently. (http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?id=290020333)

Bama was 9.5 point favs that year. Must not have been as strong that year. Seeing Bama only favored by 9.5 vs Utah seemed low.

They obviously lost focus that year as well.

I mean heck, if I'm an NFL Front Office, why would I want to draft players who can't keep focus in a freaking BCS Bowl Game?

Bama was 9.5 point favs that year. Must not have been as strong that year. Seeing Bama only favored by 9.5 vs Utah seemed low.

Utah was undefeated that year. Lots of folks thought Utah was getting screwed - which probably affected the betting.

They obviously lost focus that year as well.

I mean heck, if I'm an NFL Front Office, why would I want to draft players who can't keep focus in a freaking BCS Bowl Game?

If you were an NFL front office member you would have the option to not take them. Once you are in that position go for it.

As far as "freaking" BCS bowl game. I dont think that was the goal for Alabama this year. I would speculate they set their goals on winning the National Championship so it may not have meant as much to them as you maybe think it should have.

I am sure they wanted to win but I dont think they came into the game real excited when they were expecting to be playing for the National Championship 1 month earlier. Its their fault for not being prepared but its tough. Even professionals seem to have a hard time staying focused from week to week or day to day.

As far as "freaking" BCS bowl game. I dont think that was the goal for Alabama this year. I would speculate they set their goals on winning the National Championship so it may not have meant as much to them as you maybe think it should have.

This doesn't explain the Auburn game, where they apparently also were not focused (it's noted above that Saban started complaining after the LSU game).

I can't believe that Alabama lost last night. Everyone called them the best team all year long and even some people stood by that before last nights game. And who did they lose too? A team with no solid quarterback all year long and playing a bunch of nobody's. Its weird.

This doesn't explain the Auburn game, where they apparently also were not focused (it's noted above that Saban started complaining after the LSU game).

I guess Saban would know. I thought the Auburn result was more of a couple odd plays and Alabama struggles with stopping the spread at times.

I guess since consistency is a big part of being an elite team maybe this just wasnt an elite Alabama team. They certainly looked like an elite team 80 percent of the year but the other 20 percent their defense especially looked very average.

I can't believe that Alabama lost last night. Everyone called them the best team all year long and even some people stood by that before last nights game. And who did they lose too? A team with no solid quarterback all year long and playing a bunch of nobody's. Its weird.

I'm guessing when you're playing for a national championship every other year, it's just tougher to get up for a game that really doesn't mean anything.

If you were an NFL front office member you would have the option to not take them. Once you are in that position go for it.

Um.. I was mocking the concept that the players were unfocused because they didn't get to the game they really wanted to go to. I would think that if it actually happened, it wouldn't reflect well on their draft status - at the very least they'd be focused about that ;).

They obviously lost focus that year as well.

I mean heck, if I'm an NFL Front Office, why would I want to draft players who can't keep focus in a freaking BCS Bowl Game?Shurg. Ask the guys who drafted Andre Smith or Rolando McClain in the top 10, or Mark Ingram later in a first round. :p (Ok, there were some hits too - Julio Jones and Mark Barron most notably.)

Shurg. Ask the guys who drafted Andre Smith or Rolando McClain in the top 10, or Mark Ingram later in a first round. :p (Ok, there were some hits too - Julio Jones and Mark Barron most notably.)

Andre Smith isn't the all-star the Bengals had hoped for, but I also don't think he qualifies as a bust.

Word is, Mora is telling Texas he's not interested.

Now we'll get apoplectic talking heads around the country trying to figure out why after they spent 24 hours predicting Mora to Texas (or saying they never went after him anyway).

Also saw Briles say he's staying at Baylor.

I guess Saban would know. I thought the Auburn result was more of a couple odd plays and Alabama struggles with stopping the spread at times.

I was saying this all year. If the elite of the SEC had to play teams that could run a legitimate spread all year, I doubt they would have quite the defensive rep that they do. Alabama's two games against SEC teams that can run the spread well: Texas A&M, a near loss and Auburn, a loss.

TAMU is far from what anyone would consider an elite team (witness the Duke game), but they have beaten them once and nearly beat them again this year with that spread.

The other teams in the SEC that run the spread can't run it for shit. Well, Missouri can, but they didn't have to play 'Bama this year.

That said, I am frankly surprised that Oklahoma, a team that struggled on both sides of the ball for long stretches this year, put it all together against 'Bama... but being told how badly you're going to get beaten for 4 weeks does strange things to a team.

It's just annoying hearing how great the SEC in general (and Alabama in particular) is when they win, and when they lose, it gets chalked up to "they're not focused." So no matter what happens on the field, Alabama is truly the best. It's just whether they come out focused or not.

Personally, I think FSU would beat Alabama by a good margin this year.

Andre Smith isn't the all-star the Bengals had hoped for, but I also don't think he qualifies as a bust.He's turned it around after a disastrous first 2 seasons, but then use him as a flip-side example if you want. If a guy can be disinterested in the month of practice leading up to the bowl game, get suspended for the game, show up out of shape and then leave the combine, and still get drafted 6th overall, then I don't think NFL GM's really care if you play poorly in your bowl game - as long as you have the measurables. (Unless you're a QB, in which case you "need to be a leader" or some BS - could hurt AJ McCarron's stock.)

Heh, just saw this on my (decidedly Southern slanted) Facebook wall.

Tonight we are all Clemson Tigers.

(Thought CU Tiger might get a kick out of that)

I was saying this all year. If the elite of the SEC had to play teams that could run a legitimate spread all year, I doubt they would have quite the defensive rep that they do. Alabama's two games against SEC teams that can run the spread well: Texas A&M, a near loss and Auburn, a loss.

TAMU is far from what anyone would consider an elite team (witness the Duke game), but they have beaten them once and nearly beat them again this year with that spread.

The other teams in the SEC that run the spread can't run it for shit. Well, Missouri can, but they didn't have to play 'Bama this year.I don't disagree (except to say that this is Bama's worst D in 3 seasons, and T A&M is elite on offense), but I do find this funny coming from an Ohio State/Big Ten fan. ;)

It's just annoying hearing how great the SEC in general (and Alabama in particular) is when they win, and when they lose, it gets chalked up to "they're not focused." So no matter what happens on the field, Alabama is truly the best. It's just whether they come out focused or not.

Personally, I think FSU would beat Alabama by a good margin this year.

Isn't it about the national titles though? That is TBD on Monday. And even though I am a Mizzou fan I could give two shits about this SEC solidaritity or whatever you want to call it and I actually like all of the old Big 8 schools (well except KU) but its really hard to knock the SEC until somebody beats them in the national title game isn't it? Otherwise you are doing exactly what you say they are doing... picking and choosing. Why is Alabama or Georgia a better indication of the lack of greatness of the SEC than South Carolina, A&M, LSU, Miss State, Ole Miss would indicate they are great?

I'm worried about tonight's game. OSU has a crappy defense when everyone is healthy. but with Spence and Roby out Clemson could score 60.

He's turned it around after a disastrous first 2 seasons, but then use him as a flip-side example if you want. If a guy can be disinterested in the month of practice leading up to the bowl game, get suspended for the game, show up out of shape and then leave the combine, and still get drafted 6th overall, then I don't think NFL GM's really care if you play poorly in your bowl game - as long as you have the measurables. (Unless you're a QB, in which case you "need to be a leader" or some BS - could hurt AJ McCarron's stock.)

He slipped a bit this year, but last year Smith was one of the top RTs in the NFL.

I don't disagree (except to say that this is Bama's worst D in 3 seasons, and T A&M is elite on offense), but I do find this funny coming from an Ohio State/Big Ten fan. ;)

Dude, I totally agree and understand. I was not all that broken up by losing to Sparty in the Championship game this year, because I thought that we'd get another embarrassment in the National Title game if we had made it. In no way am I saying that the SEC is not very good, if not the best conference in the country. But this having 5-6 teams in the Top 10 bullshit every week and every year is getting ridiculous.

It just seems like the standard rules of college football apply to everyone else except the SEC. If they lose, they don't drop 8 places in the polls, they drop 2 or 3. Based on their performance against... each other.

They do have a good track record in the national title game, though. And the only way to end that is to start beating them. Hoping FSU can start that run Monday night.

but its really hard to knock the SEC until somebody beats them in the national title game isn't it?

And that's hard to do when the SEC champ gets to play an SEC divisional runner-up...

And that's hard to do when the SEC champ gets to play an SEC divisional runner-up...

What happened the other six years? I could care less about Alabama or Florida or LSU but its hard to talk smack when the rest of the country can't seem to figure out how to beat them.

The SEC bashers are going to go nuts once a very good FSU team beats an above average Auburn team.

Very surprised that Bama lost, but monster credit to OU. They took some early punches from the Tide, but didnt fold like they did against Texas. I have no idea where that play came from Knight (he's sucked all season), but I guess that may be the biggest advantage of playing in a bowl - the month of extra practice reps you get. Watching OU's offense all season was a joke, so if Knight is as good as he was last night, Boomer may be tough next year in the Little 12.

Dude, I totally agree and understand. I was not all that broken up by losing to Sparty in the Championship game this year, because I thought that we'd get another embarrassment in the National Title game if we had made it. In no way am I saying that the SEC is not very good, if not the best conference in the country. But this having 5-6 teams in the Top 10 bullshit every week and every year is getting ridiculous.

It just seems like the standard rules of college football apply to everyone else except the SEC. If they lose, they don't drop 8 places in the polls, they drop 2 or 3. Based on their performance against... each other.The top teams do also tend to do well in the showcase games Week 1/2, but I do agree with you there - I just find it funny because there's no offensive diversity within the Big Ten (unless you count Northwestern/Indiana, but I really don't). A&M & Missouri going to the SEC was great, because coupled with Malzahn's success in his 2 stints at Auburn, it's proven to every SEC coach/AD that's there's no kind of special offensive formula needed to win games, just well-coached and executed football. Heck, even the NFL is on board with the read-option and up-tempo passing attacks. But 15 years after Northwestern upset Michigan running a spread, and 10 years after Drew Brees was throwing it 70 times a game for Purdue, all the Big Ten powers are back to 3 yards and a cloud of dust after the RichRod debacle. I'm always wary of using 1 bowl game after a month off to declare definitively "this means Ohio State's D can't stop any up-tempo attack", but it'll be fun to watch them play a good offense.

What happened the other six years? I could care less about Alabama or Florida or LSU but its hard to talk smack when the rest of the country can't seem to figure out how to beat them.

Again, as has been pointed out, one loss by everyone else means less than one loss by the SEC.

Last year, a one-loss Alabama team makes the national championship game against Notre Dame, who managed to go undefeated but still had lots of questions, because others managed to lose 1 game late. You could make a case that any of a number of other 1 loss teams could also have beat Notre Dame.

The year before was the SEC incest bowl, because again a one-loss Alabama team was "better" than all the other one-loss teams that actually won their conference.

Not going to argue too hard before then, I just think the last 2 years have been heavily influenced by the 5 before then. You had the three years of the LSU/Florida juggernauts, then Alabama and Auburn had their attempts, but the last 2 years have felt like the SEC has been given the benefit of the doubt from that 5 year run.

He slipped a bit this year, but last year Smith was one of the top RTs in the NFL.I agree he turned it around nicely, but his immaturity was a huge red flag, it led into the holdout and his first season was a bust. (Not sure how he was playing year 2 before going on IR.)

The whole point here is that ISiddiqui "was mocking the concept that (Alabama) players were unfocused because they didn't get to the game they really wanted to go to. I would think that if it actually happened, it wouldn't reflect well on their draft status". Smith undoubtedly was for that 2009 game, and it didn't seem to affect his draft status much at all (or that of numerous teammates who went in the 1st round).

Last year, a one-loss Alabama team makes the national championship game against Notre Dame, who managed to go undefeated but still had lots of questions, because others managed to lose 1 game late. You could make a case that any of a number of other 1 loss teams could also have beat Notre Dame.

The year before was the SEC incest bowl, because again a one-loss Alabama team was "better" than all the other one-loss teams that actually won their conference.

Not going to argue too hard before then, I just think the last 2 years have been heavily influenced by the 5 before then. You had the three years of the LSU/Florida juggernauts, then Alabama and Auburn had their attempts, but the last 2 years have felt like the SEC has been given the benefit of the doubt from that 5 year run.There were 4 1-loss teams last year - Alabama, Florida, Oregon and K-State. You could make the case that all 4 would've beaten Notre Dame, doesn't change the fact that you need to pick one to play ND. I assume we can just ignore K-State and Florida, because they weren't that good, and it comes down to Bama/Oregon. Neither beat anyone out of conference, but the pollsters had Bama #2, all the computers had both SEC teams above Oregon, and I can tell you as an ND fan, Alabama was the last team of the 4 I wanted to face.

2011 again it basically came down to Bama vs. Oklahoma State (the other 2 1-loss teams were Boise State, and a Stanford team that lost the Pac-12 to an Oregon team that had a 2nd loss to.... LSU). I'm pretty sure I argued for Oklahoma State, not least for aesthetic reasons, but look at these two schedules and honestly try to tell me OSU had proven more on the field than Alabama had. Oklahoma State 2011 Schedule - Cowboys Home and Away - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/schedule/_/id/197/year/2011/oklahoma-state-cowboys)
Alabama 2011 Schedule - Crimson Tide Home and Away - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/schedule/_/id/333/year/2011/alabama-crimson-tide)

2011 again it basically came down to Bama vs. Oklahoma State (the other 2 1-loss teams were Boise State, and a Stanford team that lost the Pac-12 to an Oregon team that had a 2nd loss to.... LSU). I'm pretty sure I argued for Oklahoma State, not least for aesthetic reasons, but look at these two schedules and honestly try to tell me OSU had proven more on the field than Alabama had. Oklahoma State 2011 Schedule - Cowboys Home and Away - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/schedule/_/id/197/year/2011/oklahoma-state-cowboys)
Alabama 2011 Schedule - Crimson Tide Home and Away - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/schedule/_/id/333/year/2011/alabama-crimson-tide)

What exactly is your argument with the schedules? They look very similar to me, FWIW. Though, true, Alabama had the "better" loss - but then you have the aspect of a rematch. One could have easily argued Alabama had their one chance (at home no less). The fact that Alabama won doesn't particularly diminish that, as IMO if you played Alabama-Auburn this year 10 times in a row that Alabama would have won at least 7 of those times.

Yeah, but they'd all be pretty damn tired.

But would they still have focus after it? ;)

Alabama (and SEC fans) are such poor losers. You think that because they win enough, they could lose graciously, but no.

What exactly is your argument with the schedules? They look very similar to me, FWIW. Though, true, Alabama had the "better" loss - but then you have the aspect of a rematch. One could have easily argued Alabama had their one chance (at home no less). The fact that Alabama won doesn't particularly diminish that, as IMO if you played Alabama-Auburn this year 10 times in a row that Alabama would have won at least 7 of those times.

I am confused by this. What are you saying? Who do you think should be in the National Championship game?

You are admitting that results can be fluky at the end of your paragraph because of the small sample size of 1 game but on the other hand Alabama had their chance so maybe didnt deserve another one.

I guess I see the people that think results/opportunity should matter the most and on the other side I see the people that realize results are just percentages in a numbers game and that 1 poor result doesnt automatically drastically change everything we previously thought.

So we need to ask ourselves if we want to see the most deserving teams play in the National Championship game or the best teams. Its seems the NCAA cant even decide so it would be hard for anyone else to decide but the way its done now they just randomly combine both situations in which it usually favors the SEC.

There is no where near enough data to reach any conclusions about teams on any given year. The one sport we do get enough data on during the regular season(baseball) they completely disregard it in the playoffs by having short series, extra days off, and a large number of playoff teams.

Andre Smith isn't the all-star the Bengals had hoped for, but I also don't think he qualifies as a bust.

He is on the verge of a pro bowl appearance if he keeps improving. I was one of the people that hated the pick, but he has acquitted himself well since then, and after stumbling out of the gates with his foot issues his rookie year, he has been a steady performer and playing at a pretty high level. Definitely starting quality, borderline pro bowler.

The top teams do also tend to do well in the showcase games Week 1/2, but I do agree with you there -

The SEC is 2-2 in those kickoff showcase games the last two years.

I am confused by this. What are you saying? Who do you think should be in the National Championship game?

I thought that was obvious, of the two - Oklahoma State.

You are admitting that results can be fluky at the end of your paragraph because of the small sample size of 1 game but on the other hand Alabama had their chance so maybe didnt deserve another one.

I guess I see the people that think results/opportunity should matter the most and on the other side I see the people that realize results are just percentages in a numbers game and that 1 poor result doesnt automatically drastically change everything we previously thought.

If we established the idea that the "regular season matters" then regardless of how fluky a game is, it 'matters'.

If we don't care about that idea, then it should be playoffs.

During the BCS era, the former was what was fed, so therefore in that logic, in 2011, it should have been Oklahoma State, IMO.

So we need to ask ourselves if we want to see the most deserving teams play in the National Championship game or the best teams. Its seems the NCAA cant even decide so it would be hard for anyone else to decide but the way its done now they just randomly combine both situations in which it usually favors the SEC.

I think you are correct on that. I do think that "best teams" unfairly leans to SEC, however.

Here is my SEC gripe...and its a small but significant one.
I think the top of the SEC is the best is college football and has been for a few years.

However, the SEC gets elevated undeservedly by the auto hype machine that gets to review employees weekly ranking ballots before they are submitted.

There is no reason for half the top 10 to be SEC teams...when an SEC team loses to 2 SEC teams we hear how great all the SEC is, and how "steel sharpens steel" etc....Only once Mizzou and aTm were invited to the party both quickly rocketed to the top 20% real quick. For years now the SEC has scheduled cupcakes the week before out of conference rival games, finally the ACC among others got on board this year. Then the SEC thumps their chest when they beat their rivals...


Again my argument is not that the SEC isnt the best conference in football, is that the gap is small.

I really wanted to see FSU play Bama because Bama matches up horribly with FSU. That would have been an embarassment game. Auburn matches up much better with FSU, though I still think FSU wins that one but both teams have a punchers chance in the shootout.

Heh, just saw this on my (decidedly Southern slanted) Facebook wall.



(Thought CU Tiger might get a kick out of that)

Dola...

LOL....a friend of the wife who (coupel hubby is a UGA grad and the Wife is a SC grad) posted
"So conflicted, do we pull for the poison nut Yanks or those Orange bastards..."

I am just glad to be in Florida and not back home where my son says its in the 20s and windy as heck...

Hopefully this one turns out better than the last time I sat here until the bitter end.

Again my argument is not that the SEC isnt the best conference in football, is that the gap is small.

Having watched a lot of it in recent years I honestly couldn't disagree more.

With my primary loyalty resting in the ACC, that's not something I say without a fair amount of heartburn but it's my honest assessment.

Here is my SEC gripe...and its a small but significant one.
I think the top of the SEC is the best is college football and has been for a few years.

However, the SEC gets elevated undeservedly by the auto hype machine that gets to review employees weekly ranking ballots before they are submitted.

There is no reason for half the top 10 to be SEC teams...when an SEC team loses to 2 SEC teams we hear how great all the SEC is, and how "steel sharpens steel" etc....Only once Mizzou and aTm were invited to the party both quickly rocketed to the top 20% real quick. For years now the SEC has scheduled cupcakes the week before out of conference rival games, finally the ACC among others got on board this year. Then the SEC thumps their chest when they beat their rivals...


Again my argument is not that the SEC isnt the best conference in football, is that the gap is small.

I really wanted to see FSU play Bama because Bama matches up horribly with FSU. That would have been an embarassment game. Auburn matches up much better with FSU, though I still think FSU wins that one but both teams have a punchers chance in the shootout.

2007 Mizzou was similar to this seasons Mizzou in so many ways. Big 12 and SEC Mizzou moved through the rankings exactly the same way. A&M had the best player in college football that tends to get you ranked higher no matter the conference. I've said it many times including this thread that I care zero about SEC honor but get tired of the misuse of A&M and Mizzou when it's convenient to try and win an argument and the bashing when it isn't.

If we established the idea that the "regular season matters" then regardless of how fluky a game is, it 'matters'.

If we don't care about that idea, then it should be playoffs.

Regular season can "matter" and you still need a playoff. Let the conferences anoint their champions, then have the champs duke it out in a playoff.

And yes, this would have left Notre Dame out last year - tough, get in a conference already.

You can't tell who the "best" teams are unless they play each other.

My SEC "hate" has 3 sources:

- Unfair treatment in the polls.
- The LSU/Alabama Championship game.
- The "spin" (which fuels #1): LSU / Alabama have a FG-fest, and that means "great defense", not "atrocious offense and special teams". Any other conference and that shows how neither one is fit to hold the SEC's shoes.

I feel like the SEC has dropped off considerably this season. This was probably the first year in the last 7 or 8 where it's not really easy to say which conference is the best.

Also, Why is A.J. McCarron the Maxwell award winner? I think it is pretty clear he is a good QB, but Winston and Manziel outplayed him by quite a bit.

Also, Why is A.J. McCarron the Maxwell award winner? I think it is pretty clear he is a good QB, but Winston and Manziel outplayed him by quite a bit.

Probably because he didn't accept bribes or rape anyone.

. . . that we know of.

Alabama (and SEC fans) are such poor losers. You think that because they win enough, they could lose graciously, but no.

What did I miss? MBBF bashing the B12 again?

Probably because he didn't accept bribes or rape anyone.

Winner.

Probably because he didn't accept bribes or rape anyone.

And if by rape you mean allegedly have consensual sex with, while others were in the room watching and possibly video taping and maybe even involving multiple partner swapping....err never mind it was a cover up to keep an athlete on the field.

2007 Mizzou was similar to this seasons Mizzou in so many ways. Big 12 and SEC Mizzou moved through the rankings exactly the same way. A&M had the best player in college football that tends to get you ranked higher no matter the conference. I've said it many times including this thread that I care zero about SEC honor but get tired of the misuse of A&M and Mizzou when it's convenient to try and win an argument and the bashing when it isn't.


I am not a Mizzou or aTm fan for sure.
But my point was that both were from the lowly Big 12 and entered the might SEC....rankings be damned but both have held their own in conference play through two years.

BTW I'd submit to you, that were aTm still in the B12 John Football isn't nearly as highly regarded as he currently is and would instead be "a product of playing crappy B12 defenses"

What put JFF on the map was torching Alabama's immovable defense last year...and again this year. When you really look at it, who was the last great QB to come through the SEC? Is it possible those stud D's were statistically SO superior (read that again I am not saying they were good only because, more that they were regarded as so superlative because) they faced very few top flight QBs.


Now if we want to start an entire tangent about how effective the spin machine is here are two other tid bits
ESPN has their "neutral field predictor" bit running all bowl season. When compared to published Vegas lines every game not involving an SEC team was +/- 1.5 of the published line. The closest SEC game was +/- 5.5 to the published line. And interesting enough in every case the ESPN guys "undervalued" the SEC team...You havent heard a whole lot of talking hype of this neutral field predictor but it has scrolled at 1.5x the normal frequency for weeks. Ive also heard internal memos have said not to mention the metric excessively that it would serve a better purpose in "post season analysis"...translated: If the SEC team wins we can make them sound better than they were because they beat teams they werent supposed to and if they lose we have a built in excuse. For Pete's sake they were calling GT a 6.5 point neutral site favorite while Vegas was giving GT 3...wait until the bowl wrap up show you will hear this trumpeted how Ole Miss "upset" GT...

Finally they have even infiltrated the NFL a bit...last draft was the much publicized 63 SEC players selected...a record for a given conference. In fact it s been heavily slanted toward the SEC for a decade...but if we look at players who survive 3 years in the league, well the numbers suddenly shift. I dont have the stats down here with me...but they are available for anyone who wants to do research.

I am not a Mizzou or aTm fan for sure.
But my point was that both were from the lowly Big 12 and entered the might SEC....rankings be damned but both have held their own in conference play through two years.

BTW I'd submit to you, that were aTm still in the B12 John Football isn't nearly as highly regarded as he currently is and would instead be "a product of playing crappy B12 defenses"

What put JFF on the map was torching Alabama's immovable defense last year...and again this year. When you really look at it, who was the last great QB to come through the SEC? Is it possible those stud D's were statistically SO superior (read that again I am not saying they were good only because, more that they were regarded as so superlative because) they faced very few top flight QBs.


Now if we want to start an entire tangent about how effective the spin machine is here are two other tid bits
ESPN has their "neutral field predictor" bit running all bowl season. When compared to published Vegas lines every game not involving an SEC team was +/- 1.5 of the published line. The closest SEC game was +/- 5.5 to the published line. And interesting enough in every case the ESPN guys "undervalued" the SEC team...You havent heard a whole lot of talking hype of this neutral field predictor but it has scrolled at 1.5x the normal frequency for weeks. Ive also heard internal memos have said not to mention the metric excessively that it would serve a better purpose in "post season analysis"...translated: If the SEC team wins we can make them sound better than they were because they beat teams they werent supposed to and if they lose we have a built in excuse. For Pete's sake they were calling GT a 6.5 point neutral site favorite while Vegas was giving GT 3...wait until the bowl wrap up show you will hear this trumpeted how Ole Miss "upset" GT...

Finally they have even infiltrated the NFL a bit...last draft was the much publicized 63 SEC players selected...a record for a given conference. In fact it s been heavily slanted toward the SEC for a decade...but if we look at players who survive 3 years in the league, well the numbers suddenly shift. I dont have the stats down here with me...but they are available for anyone who wants to do research.

I agree with everything here. Plus, they are now promoting the SEC Network so it's a no-brainer that they will be talking up the SEC.

I am not a Mizzou or aTm fan for sure.
But my point was that both were from the lowly Big 12 and entered the might SEC....rankings be damned but both have held their own in conference play through two years.

BTW I'd submit to you, that were aTm still in the B12 John Football isn't nearly as highly regarded as he currently is and would instead be "a product of playing crappy B12 defenses"

What put JFF on the map was torching Alabama's immovable defense last year...and again this year. When you really look at it, who was the last great QB to come through the SEC? Is it possible those stud D's were statistically SO superior (read that again I am not saying they were good only because, more that they were regarded as so superlative because) they faced very few top flight QBs.


Now if we want to start an entire tangent about how effective the spin machine is here are two other tid bits
ESPN has their "neutral field predictor" bit running all bowl season. When compared to published Vegas lines every game not involving an SEC team was +/- 1.5 of the published line. The closest SEC game was +/- 5.5 to the published line. And interesting enough in every case the ESPN guys "undervalued" the SEC team...You havent heard a whole lot of talking hype of this neutral field predictor but it has scrolled at 1.5x the normal frequency for weeks. Ive also heard internal memos have said not to mention the metric excessively that it would serve a better purpose in "post season analysis"...translated: If the SEC team wins we can make them sound better than they were because they beat teams they werent supposed to and if they lose we have a built in excuse. For Pete's sake they were calling GT a 6.5 point neutral site favorite while Vegas was giving GT 3...wait until the bowl wrap up show you will hear this trumpeted how Ole Miss "upset" GT...

Finally they have even infiltrated the NFL a bit...last draft was the much publicized 63 SEC players selected...a record for a given conference. In fact it s been heavily slanted toward the SEC for a decade...but if we look at players who survive 3 years in the league, well the numbers suddenly shift. I dont have the stats down here with me...but they are available for anyone who wants to do research.

I would be curious to see those numbers. These are the best numbers I can find.

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Probably because he didn't accept bribes or rape anyone.

Well what about all the other players who played better than McCarron? Bridgewater, Mariota and Petty to name a few. McCarrons numbers are super pedestrian for a college QB, with only 336 attempts too. He carried so little of the load for Bama, and they even lost 2 games.. And he offers absolutely nothing on the ground. The more I look at the numbers, the more confused I get as to why he was even in the discussion for the awards he won, let alone winning them.

He and Mettenberger were basically mirror images this season, and nobody thinks Mettenberger is worthy.. So why McCarron?

This Clemson Ohio state game is a penalty fest. By my count there have been no less than 11 penalties (including 2 plays with 2 penalties each and including penalties declined) and we are two plays into the 2nd quarter...

He and Mettenberger were basically mirror images this season, and nobody thinks Mettenberger is worthy.. So why McCarron?

Huh?

Mett (who would never have seen the field at UGA): 22 TD / 8 INT
McCarron (who I think is largely a game-manager): 28 TD/ 7 INT

And ZM had better receivers to work with.

The SEC is 2-2 in those kickoff showcase games the last two years.I said Elite SEC teams, not Georgia.

(Which is really a cheap argument, but it's Alabama/LSU, where 80% of the SEC hype comes from. To play in a national title you need to go undefeated, be them, or beat them. And the last few years they've gone undefeated in their big early OOC games, even if most are against Michigan, Virginia Tech, Penn State, TCU, UNC, Washington teams that aren't up to their usual reputations, but because the SEC team plays them week 1 when they're undefeated you can dream on them being good. (There were a couple wins like the 2011 LSU ones over Oregon/West Virginia that were impressive.))

The 2 most controversial SEC teams that got into the title game (2007 LSU, 2011 Alabama) would not have gotten in without the big LSU wins over Virginia Tech and Oregon respectively.What exactly is your argument with the schedules? They look very similar to me, FWIW. Though, true, Alabama had the "better" loss - but then you have the aspect of a rematch. One could have easily argued Alabama had their one chance (at home no less). The fact that Alabama won doesn't particularly diminish that, as IMO if you played Alabama-Auburn this year 10 times in a row that Alabama would have won at least 7 of those times.gstelmack was the one arguing that that Alabama team didn't "deserve" to be there, and the SEC got the benefit of the doubt. I'm fine with saying you'd rather see Oklahoma State play for aesthetic or rematch reasons, but you really can't argue that they "deserved" to be in the title game any more than Alabama - it was basically a coin flip, with the edge to OSU on off-field considerations and the edge to Alabama on on-field play. That's not me fellating wins over Ole Miss or Auburn (and that's where the ESPN hype machine continues to show its bias), but watching the two teams play that year. 2013 Alabama has been overrated (although anyone paying attention has seen that their defense isn't nearly as good this year), 2011 and 2012 Alabama weren't.

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Of course I didn't bother to get excited at the prospect anyhow. 11 million reasons (Hewitt $ +Gailey $) plus another 8 million (potential CPJ $) kept my hopes pretty limited.

gstelmack was the one arguing that that Alabama team didn't "deserve" to be there, and the SEC got the benefit of the doubt. I'm fine with saying you'd rather see Oklahoma State play for aesthetic or rematch reasons, but you really can't argue that they "deserved" to be in the title game any more than Alabama - it was basically a coin flip, with the edge to OSU on off-field considerations and the edge to Alabama on on-field play. That's not me fellating wins over Ole Miss or Auburn (and that's where the ESPN hype machine continues to show its bias), but watching the two teams play that year. 2013 Alabama has been overrated (although anyone paying attention has seen that their defense isn't nearly as good this year), 2011 and 2012 Alabama weren't.

I disagree on a different argument: Alabama couldn't win its DIVISION, let alone its CONFERENCE, so how can they play for the national championship? It's a worse travesty than Nebraska playing for the national championship after getting destroyed in their conference championship game.

And yes, I know the NFL let's non division winners play for the championship, but only after it lets all the division winners in first. Alabama should not have been involved unless they had an 8-game playoff, in which case you can argue they should have been one of the 2 wildcards (there were still 6 AQ conferences then if I remember).

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Of course I didn't bother to get excited at the prospect anyhow. 11 million reasons (Hewitt $ +Gailey $) plus another 8 million (potential CPJ $) kept my hopes pretty limited.

They have to be done paying Gailey by now, right? CPJ has been coach for at least 5 seasons.

Boy, Clemson folded quick!

Huh?

Mett (who would never have seen the field at UGA): 22 TD / 8 INT
McCarron (who I think is largely a game-manager): 28 TD/ 7 INT

And ZM had better receivers to work with.

Mettenberger had better receivers? Why didn't they throw more then? If I had a QB throwing for 10 yards per attempt and good receivers to boot, I would be passing a LOT. Like 450 times or more. My guess is lack of depth. Also, telling me Bama has bad receivers is weird, when there's no way a school like Bama doesn't bring in studs left and right. Amari Cooper was a top 50 player in 2012 (overall, not just WR) coming out of H.S. according to a lot of sites. The receivers they brought in in 2011 were rated even higher. This year, they signed the 2nd highest rated WR in the country. They have at least 4 receivers on their team who were top 10 in their class at the position. Meanwhile Odell Beckham was a 3 star, and Landry is on par with those 4 receivers Bama has brought in from a talent standpoint according to recruiting rankings. It seems to me what is happening is Bama is either shit at developing receivers, or they just use them differently. Meanwhile, LSU is running with basically 2 players at WR.

Considering Mettenberger threw the ball 40 times less, but threw for more yards than McCarron with a weaker defense (LSU gave up like 50-60 more yards per game than Bama) and a yard less per carry running game backing him up.. I gotta stick with my thought that they are virtually the same QB. Neither should be anywhere near the conversation for best QB in the country though.

They have to be done paying Gailey by now, right? CPJ has been coach for at least 5 seasons.

Alas, the money was still spent. I think the buyout actually ended in 2011

I said Elite SEC teams, not Georgia.



What about Auburn?
Btw UGA was ranked 5 when they lost to Clemson. Top 5 is elite by any standard.

You can't change the argument mid stream, especially when I don't think LSU played a kick off game this year did they?
Hell I can't remember.
I'm too pissed watching this referee show in Miami.
I sat here two years ago through all 70 WVU points...but damn if this game reaches 50 penalty flags I'm leaving regardless.

Also, telling me Bama has bad receivers is weird, when there's no way a school like Bama doesn't bring in studs left and right. Amari Cooper was a top 50 player in 2012 (overall, not just WR) coming out of H.S. according to a lot of sites.

Didn't say their receivers sucked ... said LSU had better receivers. I give less than a fuck what their recruiting ratings were, Beckham & Landry would have both started at Bama. The same wouldn't be true in reverse.

Dola...a final gift to GT D Rad gave CPJ the worst buyout known to mankind before leaving. I think basically his entire contract is guaranteed, though I'm sue some of the Gt faithful can chime in.

I really hope Ohio State loses. I think personally that their athletic program is so filthy and arrogant in my opinion. Anyone watching the ESPN 30 for 30 Youngstown Boys would agree after how the athletic director treated Maurice Clarrett(before he got in trouble). Also, it's so annoying how they call themselves THE Ohio State university. Lastly, I hated how the only discipline the player that held up both his middle fingers was only an ejection, nothing more.

I really hope Ohio State loses. I think personally that their athletic program is so filthy and arrogant in my opinion. Anyone watching the ESPN 30 for 30 Youngstown Boys would agree after how the athletic director treated Maurice Clarrett(before he got in trouble). Also, it's so annoying how they call themselves THE Ohio State university. Lastly, I hated how the only discipline the player that held up both his middle fingers was only an ejection, nothing more.

The last part is incorrect, he was also suspended for the B1G championship game.

Alas, the money was still spent. I think the buyout actually ended in 2011

Yeah, misread what you wrote. Thought you were talking about what they still owed this year, not overall. The money values should have given that away.

And to the last point, yes, thanks for the parting gift DRad. :banghead:

Mizzou is picking apart okie St.

The OSU/Clemson game looks like teams that haven't played for a month.

Is Ohio State playing like crap because they were not in the title game?

Wait, that sounds absurd, even though they were one game away from the BCS championship, too

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Matt Millen is just the worst.

Mizzou is picking apart okie St.

OK State defense has simply dominated the second half. Here is the stats for the half:

6 drives
20 plays
13 yards
2 turnovers
2 first downs (both on the first drive of the half)

You'd be hard pressed to find a more dominating stretch against the Mizzou offense this season. The sad thing? OSU has only mustered 10 points through that to tie the game.

I have a feeling Mizzou will come out this next drive blazing. OSU needs to keep up the intensity. One play off and Mizzou will jump back up 7. Still, proud of the guys, they are playing their asses off and OSU has a real shot to win this game.

I don't really get that roughing call, but that was a hell of a throw by Miller with a dude about to kill him.

Hey guys. I'm in the stadium, and you always get a different feel watching on Tv.
How does the officiating seem on TV?

I'm not one to botch and moan about officiating but I swear this is a weirdly called game.

Braxton Miller showing a lot of toughness sticking in and taking those hits.

Somebody please unplug Millen's mic.

Take a shot for every "buckaroo" mention.

Hey guys. I'm in the stadium, and you always get a different feel watching on Tv.
How does the officiating seem on TV?

I'm not one to botch and moan about officiating but I swear this is a weirdly called game.

Seems like the officials are looking for ways to call penalties instead of letting the game happen.

Matt Millen needs a sign over his head that says "31-81" in case any casual football watcher might take him seriously.

Hey guys. I'm in the stadium, and you always get a different feel watching on Tv.
How does the officiating seem on TV?

I'm not one to botch and moan about officiating but I swear this is a weirdly called game.

I think it's fair in terms of not favoring either team, but it's incredibly tightly called. Everything seems to lead to ten or fifteen yard penalties.

Defensive holding maybe if they've called it all game, but they have not called it that way all game. What a monumental break on a horrific throw by the Mizzou QB. That was a catch and Mizzou should have a first down.

That looked like a possible fumble on that sack. I would've had that reviewed.

Excited to see what Watkins and Boyd do at the next level.