lol UCLA should just have Prince dive forward on this next play.

Playaction here. But I think UCLA doesnt want Pricne to throw an INT

Or stop the clock. A safety isn't the end of the world

Wow, why not a play action there?

Obviously you haven't seen much of the incrompetant one play. The only real hope Tennessee had offensively in this one down the stretch was if he had been knocked out on the late hit or if somebody missed a couple of tackles and let one of the backs break one.

That looks like a clear fumble.

Meanwhile this review looks a lot more interesting after seeing the replay than it did watching it live.

well this is interesting.... was that a fumble?

Headed out to a party with a bunch of Ohio St fans, this should be fun

Big mistake by Prince there.

And UCLA opens the door.

and Tennessee saved a half-minute with that, and UCLA's QB took a megashot there.

I wonder where that towel waving moron Ed Kezerian is. I want to see him on camera if UCLA blows this.

May not be a safety after the review, watching live I thought his knee went down before the ball came out. That's not how it looks to me on the replays we've seen so far.

and another review, sounds like UCLA's QB lost some teeth?

It was a fumble on the play earlier IMO, but that wasnt a safety

Started slow, but the Cougars avoid a letdown, hammering Tulane. FSU is HUGE next week, we get past them and could be in the 5-7 range.

Holy hell. What a play by Forcier, and what a drop by Savoy!

Holy crap!! Dropped in the end zone by Michigan!

DOWN GOES THE DOME DOWN GOES THE DOME!

TOUCHDOWN MICHIGAN!!!!

What a game!!

Today I tip my Hat to Wolverines.

Michigan is for real

Holy guacamole!

/tk

Can't blame that one on Crompton (the first incompletion)

Back to normal now however.

This makes me happy...I always love when the Domers get beat.

Weis deserves a lot of blame for that. Not sure why he didn't force Michigan to burn their timeouts.

Oh wow, JC made a JC play ... and UCLA is offsides.

Lane K needs to recruit an offensive line.

Big win.

Hmmm another clock issue at Ann Arbor...no surprise there.

Fuck yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shut up, Millen. You're an idiot.

Go Blue!

Lane K needs to recruit an offensive line.

And a QB. Crompton is terrible.

Nice one hopper, just needed Ozzie Smith to scoop it up & make the play.

Fuck it, move Jones to QB and let Crompton try WR.

You can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit and that's what the clown on the sideline is trying to do by playing a guy who makes Reggie Ball look like Joe F'n Montana.

Notre Dame should have had another play. Probably irrelevant but another clock cheat at Michigan.

Hippie left-wing left coast surfers defeated mighty mercenaries from the ESS-EE-SEE.

Different coach, same result. Good job, Bruins.

Good win for Michigan, always rooting for whomever is beating ND. Can someone tell me WTF happened to Oklahoma State today? I mean Houston, REALLY? Fracking HOUSTON?

Can someone tell me WTF happened to Oklahoma State today? I mean Houston, REALLY? Fracking HOUSTON?

I actually called that one here at home late last night. Yeah, I know, nobody at FOFC heard it but it didn't surprise me a bit (I was actually surprised when OkSt was leading late).

Ugly win. I'll take it. Going into an SEC environment like that and pulling out a win is impressive, no matter how it happens. But damn that was an ugly win.

Oh, yeah, and SCREW YOU, COLIN COWHERD. What a jackass.

Kudos to Charlie Weis for throwing twice rather then make Michigan burn TO's. Tsk tsk.

Hippie left-wing left coast surfers defeated mighty mercenaries from the ESS-EE-SEE.

Spare me and the rest of the world.

You can't blame a conference because a school hires a complete idiot as a head coach.

Wooooo!

And a QB. Crompton is terrible.

Compton may not be good, but no QB can be successful when there's two guys coming in untouched on every play

Giving the ball to Bryce Brown in the 4th quarter cost them the chance to win. Montario was the man on O for Tennessee

Notre Dame should have had another play. Probably irrelevant but another clock cheat at Michigan.

I thought the same thing, but the ball was touched by ND before it went out of the back of the end zone.

The clock person doesn't stop the clock based on what he sees, he stops the clock when the refs blow the whistle. The clock clearly ran down and there is nothing to complain about there.

If I missed the sarcasm, I apologize...

I am quite impressed with the true freshman QB Fortier....he played like a veteran today for the most part. Just need to shore up that defense.

The clock person doesn't stop the clock based on what he sees, he stops the clock when the refs blow the whistle. The clock clearly ran down and there is nothing to complain about there.

If I missed the sarcasm, I apologize...


I think they're complaining about the 2 second runoff on the kickoff. ND touched the ball before it went out of the end zone, hence two seconds came off.

The clock person doesn't stop the clock based on what he sees, he stops the clock when the refs blow the whistle. The clock clearly ran down and there is nothing to complain about there.

If I missed the sarcasm, I apologize...

I was referring to the 2005 game where Carr got the refs to put back on 3 seconds. But it was done correct today.

Ugly win. I'll take it. Going into an SEC environment like that and pulling out a win is impressive, no matter how it happens. But damn that was an ugly win.

Given the QB being a freshman, I'd think it has to look prettier than it might otherwise. That's a hell of a lot of noise to deal with and I really do think coastal trips (in either direction) take more out of teams than we all give credit for.

I still don't honestly see UCLA is anything more than a 5-7 win team as they currently stand (no idea what your own expectations are, higher or lower or the same or what) -- youth at QB is dangerous, the defense was vulnerable when it got tired & there are better offenses that will tax it as much or moreso -- but today's win was fair & square and deserves however much credit they'd like to take for it.

Couldn't believe that ND playcalling on their last offensive series, terrible. Bad enough to be a bigger factor than the one-sided officiating.

Kudos to Charlie Weis for throwing twice rather then make Michigan burn TO's. Tsk tsk.

Good ol' frontbutt

Oh and my condolences to Schmidty and his fellow M-State fans. Rather disheartening to lose to Central today.

Dear Lou Holtz,

Shut up now. Thank you.

Hmmm another clock issue at Ann Arbor...no surprise there.I call shenanigans. It's bad enough the refs stole 4 points by overturning Allen's touchdown when the evidence wasn't conclusive, and then a borderline holding call to negate a 72-yard pass, but I was ready to say ND had to overcome those. The clock shit at the end just makes me want to blame the officials now.I thought the same thing, but the ball was touched by ND before it went out of the back of the end zone.Then wouldn't that be a safety? (ping: Dr. Sak)

Given the QB being a freshman, I'd think it has to look prettier than it might otherwise. That's a hell of a lot of noise to deal with and I really do think coastal trips (in either direction) take more out of teams than we all give credit for.

I still don't honestly see UCLA is anything more than a 5-7 win team as they currently stand (no idea what your own expectations are, higher or lower or the same or what) -- youth at QB is dangerous, the defense was vulnerable when it got tired & there are better offenses that will tax it as much or moreso -- but today's win was fair & square and deserves however much credit they'd like to take for it.

You're pretty much right, I think. UCLA is an average team that may pull off a surprise or two.

Given the QB being a freshman, I'd think it has to look prettier than it might otherwise. That's a hell of a lot of noise to deal with and I really do think coastal trips (in either direction) take more out of teams than we all give credit for.

I still don't honestly see UCLA is anything more than a 5-7 win team as they currently stand (no idea what your own expectations are, higher or lower or the same or what) -- youth at QB is dangerous, the defense was vulnerable when it got tired & there are better offenses that will tax it as much or moreso -- but today's win was fair & square and deserves however much credit they'd like to take for it.

Depends on what Tennessee goes on to do this year. If they win 8 games this year, then it was a good win for UCLA.

As for UCLA, They probably can win 9 games now in this season as the only two games I dont think UCLA has at least a 50/50 chance of winning is USC and Cal

I call shenanigans. It's bad enough the refs stole 4 points by overturning Allen's touchdown when the evidence wasn't conclusive, and then a borderline holding call to negate a 72-yard pass, but I was ready to say ND had to overcome those. The clock shit at the end just makes me want to blame the officials now.Then wouldn't that be a safety? (ping: Dr. Sak)

Clock issues aside, there would not have been any worries had Weis not gone deep twice for no reason.

I call shenanigans. It's bad enough the refs stole 4 points by overturning Allen's touchdown when the evidence wasn't conclusive, and then a borderline holding call to negate a 72-yard pass, but I was ready to say ND had to overcome those. The clock shit at the end just makes me want to blame the officials now.Then wouldn't that be a safety? (ping: Dr. Sak)


No on a kickoff you would have to actually gain control of the ball first THEN fumble it out of the end zone, and even then I think it would just be a touchback.

I call shenanigans. It's bad enough the refs stole 4 points by overturning Allen's touchdown when the evidence wasn't conclusive, and then a borderline holding call to negate a 72-yard pass, but I was ready to say ND had to overcome those. The clock shit at the end just makes me want to blame the officials now.Then wouldn't that be a safety? (ping: Dr. Sak)

Not a safety unless he fumbled it. No possession no safety on a kickoff.

I agree on the TD call though. I mean it did look as if he stepped out but I didn't think it was conclusive enough. That point is all moot if they had a better angle that we didn't see on TV. Plus I find it hard to believe that the Linesman who was about 8 yards behind the ball wouldn't see him step out. That's all he's looking out as the runner goes down that line.

Clock issues aside, there would not have been any worries had Weis not gone deep twice for no reason.I don't condone the going deep, but then it probably would have been 34-34 and going to OT. Without 2 TO's and playing out exactly as it did, Michigan would have had around a 35 yard FG attempt, and they probably would have hurried more if they didn't have the TO's.

Listen to the ND fans cry. :)

Maybe hire a better coach.

WVU finishes off ECU and it wouldn't have been remotely close with decent officiating and if there hadn't been 2 muffed punts deep in their own territory. The score was 35-20 but yardage was 509-238 and 1st downs 23-13.

Hopefully the poor officiating prepares the team for the game at Auburn next week.

Yeah, that was probably the most dominant WVU has looked since the Fiesta Bowl - pretty much everywhere but the scoreboard, I guess. It could've, probably should've, been about 52-10 or so. I'll happily take a 15 point win, though.

Not a safety unless he fumbled it. No possession no safety on a kickoff.

I agree on the TD call though. I mean it did look as if he stepped out but I didn't think it was conclusive enough. That point is all moot if they had a better angle that we didn't see on TV. Plus I find it hard to believe that the Linesman who was about 8 yards behind the ball wouldn't see him step out. That's all he's looking out as the runner goes down that line.They had him on their good angle staring straight at it. Do they have other angles in the booth? I thought I remembered hearing they only had what TV gave them. (And it's hard to believe ABC had a 3rd angle they hid from viewers.)

Depends on what Tennessee goes on to do this year. If they win 8 games this year, then it was a good win for UCLA.

LOL. There's at least as good a chance of seeing monkeys fly out of Lane Kiffin's ass as there is of that team winning 8 games unless Crompton breaks his fucking leg.

Incidentally, speaking of the incrompetent one ... did you know that today was statistically the least productive full day (i.e. more than 5 pass attempts) of his illustrious career?

His QB rating of 19.1 today eclipses previous stellar outings against Auburn (43.6) and UCLA (49.7).

How about J-State up 9-7 at the half on FSU.

Miami hangover I guess.

I don't know if they have more angles or not. That's why I floated that out there.

I'm a line judge so I always talk with the deep guy on my side that when I am beat by a runner I have the sideline. But there are times where I am blocked out by someone getting in front of me.

And if you are watching ESPN they just had an explanation of the clock in the last 10 seconds and unfortunately for all you official haters who think we dont know shit...they got it right.

Gah, now I gotta flip back and forth between the final regular season race at Richmond and the Buckeyes and Trojans in Columbus.

What a night!

Listen to the ND fans cry. :)

Maybe hire a better coach.Whatever. If we don't recover and make the BCS we'll probably be offering Brian Kelly whatever he wants.

One other point that will sound like whining now but I've been saying for years - having non-grass surfaces so close to the playing surface is retarded, and it cost us our best offensive player. On the 2nd incompletion I would've loved to have Floyd running that route instead of the freshman backup who broke too late.

Damn, time is flying today.

Georgia & South Carolina are already midway through Q1 tied at 7 on a 100 yd KOR by UGA's Brandon Boykin

Whatever. If we don't recover and make the BCS we'll probably be offering Brian Kelly whatever he wants.

One other point that will sound like whining now but I've been saying for years - having non-grass surfaces so close to the playing surface is retarded, and it cost us our best offensive player. On the 2nd incompletion I would've loved to have Floyd running that route instead of the freshman backup who broke too late.

Kelly is a great choice, and he is quite a bit thinner than Santa Claus Weiss.

Georgia has got to take care of the ball...

The guy who dotted the I in Ohio just drilled the camera man with his tuba!

I don't think I've been this amped up for a game since the National Championship Game against Texas.

The guy who dotted the I in Ohio just drilled the camera man with his tuba!

That was funny :)

C'mon Ohio State

*spits up*

I'd like to see South Carolina maintain their lead and pull off the upset but they won't hold on for long imo

USC should win thiss going away.....

Georgia has got to take care of the ball...

I'd prefer they grease their hands. Clemson-GT and UGA-USCe on the same weekend is fun (after which we can get back to being respected rivals).

I don't think I've been this amped up for a game since the National Championship Game against Texas.

Let's hope the result is the same

I was referring to the 2005 game where Carr got the refs to put back on 3 seconds. But it was done correct today.

Just like it was done correct in 2005. :)

Bowling Green is up 13-0 on Missouri in the 2nd.

Galippo!!!!

That was a bit poor from Pryor there. wtf.

Nice INT by USC!

Georgia goes in front suddenly, 21-17, on a nice reverse that goes 60 yds (slipped a DB in at WR & he just smoked everybody)

What a goal line stand by Ohio State!

But then USC converts on 4th down!

Missed block by Havili cost the TD on 3rd down, but Stafon Johnson with the rushing TD on 4th and goal!

That's a statement eh? 4th and goal, you go for it, and you make it.

A few interesting scores elsewhere as the eyes of most folks are on a couple of bigger games

Alabama leads FIU 20-14 midway through Q2 (McElroy looking good for Bama but FIU got a 96 yd KOR for a score to stay close)

LSU leads Vandy 10-7 midway through Q2

Bowling Green leads Missouri 13-3 middle Q2 (Gabbert 6/13 for 16 yds so far)

Jax State still leading FSU 9-7 under 5 mins in Q3

James Madison leads Maryland 28-21 < 1 min left Q3

NC State leads Murray State 65-0 in Q3
Auburn is up 14-10 over Miss State middle Q2
SD State leads Ga Southern 13-3 at the half
UNH leads Ball State 16-6 with 3 mins left in the first half
McNeese St beat Appy State 40-35 earlier today

Taylor Mays just got schooled on that one. If he's the lone man back there, he can't try and jump a route like that.

Taylor Mays just got schooled on that one. If he's the lone man back there, he can't try and jump a route like that.

Agreed. Hopefully, the offense will answer here.

FSU still down 9-7 with 10 mins left, driving to the JV State 32 to at least get a FG for the lead and they fumble it away on 3rd down.

FSU still down 9-7 with 10 mins left, driving to the JV State 32 to at least get a FG for the lead and they fumble it away on 3rd down.
The game is on ESPN360.com for anyone interested.

FSU can't move the ball.

O'Malley is a real weakness for USC. Fortunate that Taylor flew down there to make that tackle.

Crap. It goes without saying that if Taylor is hurt, it is a huge blow to the defense.

We're losing the battle on the lines, and Barkley just doesn't look ready to lead the offense. I have a really bad feeling that we are going to lose by 2+ scores tonight.

And Mays looks like he might be seriously hurt. Pryor is going to have a field day running the ball if he's out.

I hope this is more a sign that FSU just didn't get up for this game instead of Miami not being as good as I thought they were.

Non-football comment: day-am, they said Fridge lost a good chunk of weight in the off-season. He still looks freaking huge.

/tk

Huge goal line stand. I wonder if Ohio State goes for it.. I'm guessing they will.

Given the way the USC offense has looked so far, you might as well.

FSU getting the ball back with 3:00 left. Jacksonville State still up 9-7.

Terps tied it up, 35-35 with just under 4 left in the game.

/tk

Non-football comment: day-am, they said Fridge lost a good chunk of weight in the off-season. He still looks freaking huge.

/tk


Leave it to the girl to check out the boys in a football game.:p

FSU now in field goal range.

Leave it to the girl to check out the boys in a football game.:p

:D

Fine, football talk: Terps get the ball back with 2:35 remaining, still tied at 35.

/tk

Poor coaching by Jacksonville State. They've had FSU on the ropes all night by blitzing and playing aggressive on defense. Then on the last drive decide to go in a Prevent and FSU just picked them apart.

Jax State should let FSU score here.

Barkley looks like he is settling down fine, just like last week. The O-Line is playing better as well.

Bad throw...

Washington State is bad

Bad throw...

Yeah, not good at all.

Bad throw...

Yeah. Right as I hit the submit reply button. Knew that was going to happen at some point, but I think he'll bounce back fine.

Um, why did FSU not go for 2 there? If they go up by 6, at least they make Jax State make an XP if they score a TD. There's no difference being up 4 or 5 in this situation.

Maryland & James Madison heading to OT tied at 35.

I HATE OT.

/tk

James Madison misses FG.

Meh. Another week of upsets falling apart at the end.

Very close.. heck of a throw by Barkley.

How is Bowling Green kicking Mizzou's ass? Mizzou is helping them...penalties, fumbles, dropped passes, all of it...

Pryor=no accuracy.

Maryland hits their FG and survives JMU 38-35 in OT

Man, USC was conceding the half and now they gain 30+ and may score to end the half. NOT what the Buckeyes needed.

Timeout while a team is in hurry up mode with under 20 seconds. lmfao

Awesome 2 minute drill after that big run. Officials started that clock a bit early. Anyway, time for one good attempt at the end zone.

gotta kick the FG now..

Good stuff. Tied at the half and getting the ball back to start the 2nd half.

South Carolina is not handling Georgia's size and/or physicality well at all, now 38-23 UGA with 9 mins left in Q3. SC may be about to fold up here.

And UGA goes up 37-21 with extra point pending

Probably my 2 biggest historic rivals, just a shame they can both lose.

Awesome 2 minute drill after that big run.

Yep. Barkley looked very comfortable.

Holding call costs South Carolina a TD, second score called by for a penalty tonight.

Timeout while a team is in hurry up mode with under 20 seconds. lmfao

Why is this so funny? Ohio State tried to sub in a different defensive lineman and he wasn't able to get off the field, USC was clocking the play anyway. My wife even noticed that.

Garcia has finally looked like the hype we heard about tonight...

Alabama leads FIU 20-14 midway through Q2 (McElroy looking good for Bama but FIU got a 96 yd KOR for a score to stay close)

33-14 now. 'Bama is on cruise control. They basically get two weeks to iron out stuff for Arkansas.
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Maybe I've just not noticed it in the past, but there seems to be a lot more competitive games from I-AA schools over the past couple of weeks.

Mizzou ties it up late in the 4th, then holds BGSU to a 3 and out...now is our chance to take this game and win it!

27-20!! Mizzou leads for the first time all game with 5 minutes left in the 4th!

horrible snap by UGA gives a safety

4th down here for BSU, we stop them and we basically win! GO MIZZOU!

And they punt? Im sorry, with 2:31 left in the game, I think you gotta take that shot...

Well I guess their smarter then I am, they turn around and force a 3 and out on us and used their timeouts to keep the clock at 1:43. 4th down, do you punt and hope to hold or try to seal the win now and get the 4 yards?

rut roh. safety

O'Malley just cost USC again. That snap wasn't that high that he shouldn't have caught it.

Edit: On replay, it was higher than I thought.

They punted, 1 minute left to decide the game...if Mizzou can hold they win, if BGSU scores we go to overtime

Why is this so funny? Ohio State tried to sub in a different defensive lineman and he wasn't able to get off the field, USC was clocking the play anyway. My wife even noticed that.

Well, the way I saw it was why do you need to bring in a sub when you know the spike is going to happen. Bring in the sub after the spike. My mistake for not noticing a player running off the field(would he have been offsides?).

And that in-completion should mean the ball game, great game to Bowling Green. Put up one hell of a fight, and mizzou is lucky to walk out with the win

Poultry gets a FG, cuts Georgia's lead to 38-31 still early Q4

That was a horrible pitch by Pryor.

PICK SIX GAMECOCKS !!!

And Georgia blocks the PAT, 38-37 UGA

The guy who dotted the I in Ohio just drilled the camera man with his tuba!

Just catching up in this thread, but holy crap was that hilarious!

We watched it on DVR about 3 times in regular speed and then another 3 times in slo-mo.

{bangs head on desk, since it's harder than the keyboard}

USC-UGA is one hell of a game. Crazy stuff.

Although watching on 360, I am getting really sick of this Honda dreams commercial.

More of that please. McKnight needs to get the ball on the outside more.

Great moves by McKnight to pick up a first down..

When did Ohio State start doing all this trash talking on the field? Not that I mind, but it just seems like that this is new for them.

When did Ohio State start doing all this trash talking on the field? Not that I mind, but it just seems like that this is new for them.

When they started to have a lead against a big name team. :lol:

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While it's impossible for me to actively root for Ohio State, it would be nice to see a Big Ten team knock off a top 5 team.

I must say that, while it's early yet, so far Tate Forcier is really starting to take the sting out of the whole "losing" the Terrell Pryor sweepstakes thing.

Michigan is real happy they didnt get Prior, I imagine.

South Carolina mounting a drive here! They are at the UGA 45.

Good play by Georgia CB Brian Evans, denies a catch in the end zone. 2nd & 10 from the 25 for SC

1st down poultry at the 13

SC at the 14 yard line. 2nd and 10.

BTW, they are managing the clock beautifully here.

USC's offensive line is getting worked tonight.

Ohio State defense is feelin' it.

3rd & about 3 1/2 from the 7

How'd he not block that punt. WOW! So close.

Crazy defensive game though.

Garcia bounces one behind on a quick hitter, incomplete, 4th & 4 from th e7

4th down for South Carolina!

DAMN! Of all the times not to run the ball for Garcia

Garcia stepped up & fired to the end zone, tipped & incomplete.
Dammit.

Darned good ball game for watching despite the final score

These first two weeks have been a great start to the college football season. So many great games.

I have to say, I'm impressed with teh Buckeyes defense in this game. They've had weak drives but overall they're handling USC.

Huge sack/tackle for a loss by Griffen.

Nice sack on 1st down.

YES! Get the ball to McKnight in space.

Props, great play on 3rd and long.

Heck of a good run by McKnight there.

Going to be a crazy next few plays... or last minute, rather.

Love those QB sneaks. :)

The energy is totally gone in the defense right now. Man this is fucking frustrating as hell.

TD USC

Stafon Johnson with the go ahead TD!

Nice play/.

Please fail on 2 point conversion. I'd like to see a 50+ yard field goal try FTW.

Quick pass to McKnight for the 2 point conversion! 18-15.

Love those QB sneaks. :)

Reminds me of a game I played in little league football when I was like 8 or 9. The only play we could run and get any yardage was "Quarterback sneak on nudge." To this day, almost 30 years late, I can still hear the quaterback call the play "quaterback sneak on nuuuudge on nuuuudge." It was on of the few games we actually won that year.

McKnight plays much bigger (i.e. stronger/heavier) than his size

Great drive by the Trojans! 18-15 with a little over a minute to go.

Pryor doesn't really know what to do when he gets pressured.. boy, it's going to cost them.

Good call on that intentional grounding.

Heh heh heh

WOW, intentional grounding by Pryor on the first play of the drive!

Not a fan of that grounding call.

Vast difference between Pryor and Barkley in running the 2 minute drill.

Yeah I'm not a huge fan of Pryor either.

USC WINS!

Vast difference between Pryor and Barkley in running the 2 minute drill.

Hell, Michigan fans see Forcier and Pryor and are grinning big time right now.

Wow, I cannot describe how underwhelmed I am with the playcalling and Pryor.

I know moral victories don't count for much, but all of the Ohio State fans should be proud of their team. Great effort from the team tonight. I'm ecstatic that we managed to escape with a win tonight.

This is one of those situations where I wouldn't have any issue with Ohio State not dropping in the rankings.

I think Pryor can be a great college QB (maybe as soon as this season), but he could probably be an elite NFL receiver within a few years. Not sure playing QB for Ohio State is his best career move, long term.

I think OSU and USC both look like two of the top 10 teams in the country (from what I have seen, so far).

Where the hell does ALabama come into the "elite teams" conversation? Musberger is fuckin senile =)

My son just asked me how Barkley compares to Tebow as a freshman.

edit to add: I had to explain Tebow's use as a freshman & that he didn't take over until his second year. Funny thing to think about really, how much time passes during a player's college career. Big difference in my son at 7 vs 11.

In the end, it worked out just about perfect for me. OSU didn't make the Big Ten look bad, but still lost. Win, win.

This is one of those situations where I wouldn't have any issue with Ohio State not dropping in the rankings.

+1.

Yeah I'm not a huge fan of Pryor either.

He just doesn't get it, he has all the physical skills but he doesn't have it between the ears and I don't see anything to suggest he will ever have it.

I'm thrilled with the way the defense played despite that last drive, they dominated USC's offensive line for most of the 2nd half.

That damn QB draw play when they stopped Pryor for a 4 yard loss, which knocked them out of FG position was a killer. Not to mention the stupid play calling to end the first half.

:banghead:

Where the hell does ALabama come into the "elite teams" conversation? Musberger is fuckin senile =)

Alabama 40
Florida Intl. 14

Hahahahaha.....yeah, Musberger is a loon. They are good, but a 26 point win over FIU is not exactly awe-inspiring.

My son just asked me how Barkley compares to Tebow as a freshman.

Be sure to tell him Barkley's probably somewhere behind Tebow and Forcier. ;)

In the end, it worked out just about perfect for me. OSU didn't make the Big Ten look bad, but still lost. Win, win.

Same here. I hate OSU, but I give them credit for playing USC tough and not getting blown out again. Really, they should have won this one.

In the end, it worked out just about perfect for me. OSU didn't make the Big Ten look bad, but still lost. Win, win.

I guess since Michigan can't beat us you gotta root for someone else to?

Personally I'd rather see the Big Ten win their non-conference and bowl games. I was actually happy to see Michigan win today.

Hell, Michigan fans see Forcier and Pryor and are grinning big time right now.

Yep. Really liking Pryor's decision to go OSU. While 2 games does not make a player's career, Forcier's decision making has been far superior to anything I have seen from Pryor so far. Maybe that will change, who knows?

Be sure to tell him Barkley's probably somewhere behind Tebow and Forcier. ;)

Let's not annoit Forcier just yet, after all, he still hasn't really played anybody

:D

Tressel is a great coach, but sometimes the conservatism drives you batty. He seems far too willing to take the FG instead of the TD. Up 5 tonight, 4 vs. Texas in the Fiesta Bowl, I got that sinking feeling before the final drive of both games

I guess since Michigan can't beat us you gotta root for someone else to?

Something like that.


Personally I'd rather see the Big Ten win their non-conference and bowl games. I was actually happy to see Michigan win today.

I tried, but I just can't do it. Everyone was happy to see Michigan win today because no one likes Notre Dame. That and The People love Tate Forcier. It's impossible not to.

Michigan is real happy they didnt get Prior, I imagine.

I have a hard time buying into the hype of any QB who vastly gets talked about as a running QB before they even play a down in college. Wake me up when they can actually throw. So far he really hasn't proven to have the mental make up to be a quality QB either. Time table for Michigan beating OSU is shorting. I'm not really sure Michigan's lack of D is going to matter at this point since I can't really buy into OSU's offense.

Interesting to see two true freshmen QB in their second games ever pull out late victories in the two biggest games of the weekend.

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As much as I loved Desmond Howard while he was at Michigan, he's about as good an analyst as he was a NFL wide receiver.

I am looking for OSU to beat Michigan this year again, but next year might be a different story, especially if Michigan can shore up their receiving corps and their defense.

Let's not annoit Forcier just yet, after all, he still hasn't really played anybody

:D

It's just a matter of time, Jon. Just a matter of time... By Thanksgiving your little one will be asking for a Tate Forcier jersey for Christmas.

Waiting for Musberger to give Pete Carroll a reach-around any moment now....

What's the deal with Joe McKnight, the kid seems as gifted as Reggie Bush but he can't get it together or what? Everytime he has touched the ball the last two years I've held my breath.

It's just a matter of time, Jon. Just a matter of time... By Thanksgiving your little one will be asking for a Tate Forcier jersey for Christmas.

Hey, I was just impressed that he said (when I explained Tebow didn't start as a freshman) "that's right, Chris Leak was still there". Hell, I would have had to stop & think about who was starting that year.

Pryor showed me nothing against an elite team. And if you want to win a national championship, eventually you play an elite team. Cant throw and not smart. Bad combination.
Forcier was much more impressive today. But the competition was weaker.

I root for the Big Ten in non-conference and bowl games. I hate talk that it is a weak conference.I was really hoping for a day to crow about at work since I live in Big 12 country. But Ohio State choked.

Utah & SJSU tied at 7, six minutes left in the 1st half. 2 Utah fumbles apparently keeping them in check.

Purdue/Oregon tied at half 17-17.

Where the hell does ALabama come into the "elite teams" conversation? Musberger is fuckin senile =)

They are at worst the 5th in the country.

Even as a 'Bama fan by birth since that's were my Dad was born and raised, I pretty much didn't care what the score was as long as it was decent sized victory and 'Bama came away as injury free as possible. 'Bama's 2nd game last year was a snoozefest 20-6 against Tulane and yet they eventually pulled off the "Funeral" Game against what was the #3 ranked team at that time while on the road. I would much rather weight a team based on when the game matters versus what they do against teams that fill out their schedule. Let's not forget this is a team that in 2007 lost to Louisiana-Monroe.

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Alabama might be good but they sure as hell aren't "elite" Musberger as usual takes it on himself to interject his personal wishlist of things into his commentary. I just find it laughable.

I root for the Big Ten in non-conference and bowl games. I hate talk that it is a weak conference.I was really hoping for a day to crow about at work since I live in Big 12 country. But Ohio State choked.

The lack of Big Ten strength isn't based on OSU getting beat, it's because the conference has nil depth. Here's today's scores.

No. 7 Penn State (http://espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=213) 28, Syracuse (http://espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=183) 7
Northwestern (http://espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=77) 27, Eastern Michigan (http://espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=2199) 24
Indiana (http://espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=84) 23, Western Michigan (http://espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=2711) 19
Central Michigan (http://espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=2117) 29, Michigan State (http://espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=127) 27
Wisconsin (http://espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=275) 34, Fresno State (http://espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=278) 31 (OT)
Iowa (http://espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=2294) 35, Iowa State (http://espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=66) 3
Michigan (http://espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=130) 38, No. 18 Notre Dame (http://espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=87) 34
Minnesota (http://espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=135) 20, Air Force (http://espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=2005) 13
Illinois (http://espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=356) 45, Illinois State (http://espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=2287) 17
No. 3 USC (http://espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=30) 18, No. 8 Ohio State (http://espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=194) 15
Purdue (http://espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=2509) at Oregon (http://espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=2483), currently tied.

1-1 in credible games and they were the lower ranked in both games. Outside of that big wins are what? Syracuse(frisky, but still an "ok" team at best and one of the Big Ten's best should beat them easily), Iowa State(and they were probably happy to rid of their football coach), and Indiana State? Toss in CMU beating MSU and there really isn't much there to get excited about. The Big Ten beat EMU, WMU, FSU and AF by an average of 4.25 points and needed overtime to even do that.
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The lack of Big Ten strength isn't based on OSU getting beat, it's because the conference has nil depth. Here's today's scores.

No. 7 Penn State (http://espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=213) 28, Syracuse (http://espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=183) 7
Northwestern (http://espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=77) 27, Eastern Michigan (http://espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=2199) 24
Indiana (http://espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=84) 23, Western Michigan (http://espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=2711) 19
Central Michigan (http://espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=2117) 29, Michigan State (http://espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=127) 27
Wisconsin (http://espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=275) 34, Fresno State (http://espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=278) 31 (OT)
Iowa (http://espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=2294) 35, Iowa State (http://espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=66) 3
Michigan (http://espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=130) 38, No. 18 Notre Dame (http://espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=87) 34
Minnesota (http://espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=135) 20, Air Force (http://espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=2005) 13
Illinois (http://espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=356) 45, Illinois State (http://espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=2287) 17
No. 3 USC (http://espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=30) 18, No. 8 Ohio State (http://espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=194) 15
Purdue (http://espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=2509) at Oregon (http://espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=2483), currently tied.

1-1 in credible games and they were the lower ranked in both games. Outside of that big wins are what? Syracuse(frisky, but still an "ok" team at best and one of the Big Ten's best should beat them easily), Iowa State(and they were probably happy to rid of their football coach), and Indiana State? Toss in CMU beating MSU and there really isn't much there to get excited about. The Big Ten beat EMU, WMU, FSU and AF by an average of 4.25 points and needed overtime to even do that.
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Do the same for the Big 12 this weekend?

Do the same for the Big 12 this weekend?

To be honest, the Big 12 is really Texas's to lose this year. OU's line I figured would cost them at least one game outside of the Texas/OU game. I don't consider it one of the best conferences either, so I wouldn't be surprised if they match up as a whole rather close to the Big Ten.

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To be honest, the Big 12 is really Texas's to lose this year. OU's line I figured would cost them at least one game outside of the Texas/OU game. I don't consider it one of the best conferences either, so I wouldn't be surprised if they match up as a whole rather close to the Big Ten.

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Its the SEC then everyone else. Big Ten is no worse than the ACC, Big East, Big 12 and the Pac-10 may be slightly better I'm not sure yet.

Why no love for the PAC-10? I mean they kicked the shit out of everyone in bowls last year and are off to a decent start in out of conference play.

The SEC seems the overated conference to me. It's Florida and crap. Alabama doesn't look impressive, Georgia lost, and Tennessee got beaten at home to a mediocre Pac-10 school.

Why no love for the PAC-10? I mean they kicked the shit out of everyone in bowls last year and are off to a decent start in out of conference play.

The SEC seems the overated conference to me. It's Florida and crap. Alabama doesn't look impressive, Georgia lost, and Tennessee got beaten at home to a mediocre Pac-10 school.

I got a feeling Arkansas's gonna surprise you this year.

Pryor is the most overated player in college football.

I also don't get all this Barkley love from the media. He's a freshman and all, but he had a rather poor game outside of the final drive. It's not like he's playing for Western Kentucky either. He's surrounded by one of the best lines in college football and a stable of backs that are unmatched in the nation. Sure he's a freshman and I'm not expecting huge numbers, but it's not like they won the game because of him. He led his talented offense to 11 points.

Pryor is the most overated player in college football.

I also don't get all this Barkley love from the media. He's a freshman and all, but he had a rather poor game outside of the final drive. It's not like he's playing for Western Kentucky either. He's surrounded by one of the best lines in college football and a stable of backs that are unmatched in the nation. Sure he's a freshman and I'm not expecting huge numbers, but it's not like they won the game because of him. He led his talented offense to 11 points.

He showed excellent poise in front of over 100,000 hostile fans in leading his offense on a good 1 minute drive at the end of the half and a great drive to end the game in the 4th quarter. If that doesn't rattle him, not much is going to.

He showed excellent poise in front of over 100,000 hostile fans in leading his offense on a good 1 minute drive at the end of the half and a great drive to end the game in the 4th quarter. If that doesn't rattle him, not much is going to.
A drive that wasn't needed if his offense wasn't anemic for most of the game. I mean Navy's offense put up twice as many points as he led his offense to against them.

A drive that wasn't needed if his offense wasn't anemic for most of the game. I mean Navy's offense put up twice as many points as he led his offense to against them.

Ohio State was flat for Navy. They were fired up for USC and played a heck of a game. USC's line was beat badly most of the night and the playcalling was conservative. Both of those things led to "an anemic offense" although that offense did put up almost 200 yards in the 2nd quarter alone.

Dola -

Report is that Barkley audibled into the 3rd and 9 play to McKnight on that drive. Again, I think the poise Barkley showed on that drive and in running the 2 minute offense was remarkable. With the exception of the bad pick, he made mostly good decisions despite facing heavy pressure most of the game.

Helps to have a team of talent surrounding him :)

Allan Bradford would be a nice upgrade over the Boz twin at LB. But I'm sure he's enjoying his time at USC :)

Well I missed the second half because I had plans but I've seen the highlights. Where to begin? The good news for Barkley is he doesn't see a defense that good for the rest of the season (maybe UCLA, they have looked pretty impressive so far) The bad news is he just doesn't look ready to lead this team to a national championship. The last drive was impressive but really he basically only made two big plays. He's going to have to make a lot more than that to convince me he's the best option for this team right now. If this team kept slipping up with Booty and Sanchez, I don't see an undefeated season with a freshman Barkley at QB, put it that way. Defense is good. Possibly as good as last year, Cal will be the big test for them. I still think SC ends up probably losing 2 games and may miss out on the Pac-10 to Cal if Barkley is the QB for the season. But what a result with the backs up against the wall tonight.

Pryor is a huge disappointment. Doesn't matter how big and fast you are if you can't actually make the decisions needed to be a QB. Not sure if the light will ever go on for him, if not OSU could be very mediocre for the next couple of years, at least offensively.

Again, he put up 11 points against the 2nd best team in a mediocre conference with the best supporting cast in football around him.

Allan Bradford would be a nice upgrade over the Boz twin at LB. But I'm sure he's enjoying his time at USC :)

Other than the fact that he's the one who has flat out refused a move to LB his entire career you mean?

He's not a RB. He doesn't make the right decisions which is a shame because he's an absolute freak athletically. But the USC staff has been trying to get him to change to D almost the whole time and he and his father have been totally against it. But it's nice to see you guys are still bitter about it :D

UM beats ND and USC tops OSU.

What a wonderful Saturday.

Other than the fact that he's the one who has flat out refused a move to LB his entire career you mean?

He's not a RB. He doesn't make the right decisions which is a shame because he's an absolute freak athletically. But the USC staff has been trying to get him to change to D almost the whole time and he and his father have been totally against it. But it's nice to see you guys are still bitter about it :D

It's not my career that has been sabatoged :)

I'd love to hear how USC sabotaged his career. You think every single USC fan and coach doesn't want to see him at LB when we have 2 scholarship OLB and 8 RB's?

Again, the kid and his father are on record multiple times as saying he wants to play RB and he won't consider a move to defense. But by all means, keep drinking the kool-aid.