Not sure if anyone has been following this story, but it's truly amazing.

Girl taken in 1991 surfaces; couple held - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/08/27/california.missing.girl/index.html)

I can't fathom being a parent in this case. You lose your kid to an abduction assuming horrible things have happened. At some point you probably come to the realization that she is dead. You move on and now you've found out your daughter is alive. While you have joy, you also realize you lost 18 years of your life together.

They've already arrested a couple. And surprise, surprise one of them is a convicted rapist. Perhaps at some point our society will realize that you can't rehabilitate sexual criminals.

The guy also had a creepy website up.

Voices Revealed (http://voicesrevealed.blogspot.com/)

Just an amazing story.

My question is, why did it ta.ke her so long to come forward and say she was kidnapped? She is 29 now... Did she just find out? The articles say she has memories of before she was kidnapped.
Its unreal

She was 11 when kidnapped, so I'm sure she knew...
But damn, I don't see how someone could be normal after 18 years- i'm assuming she had no schooling, work, or much contact with people (would have been able to get away long time ago)

surprise, surprise one of them is a convicted rapist. Perhaps at some point our society will realize that you can't rehabilitate sexual criminals.

I've heard stories that people who've gone to jail for drunk driving have done it again afterwards. Perhaps at some point our society will realize you can't rehabilitate drunk drivers and should keep them behind bars forever! :mad:

Police: Sex offender kept victim, kids in shed - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090827/ap_on_re_us/us_kidnapped_girl_found_13)

Kept in a shed and had 2 kids with the kidnapper. Fishhook. Nut Sack. Clothesline.

Police: Sex offender kept victim, kids in shed - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090827/ap_on_re_us/us_kidnapped_girl_found_13)

Kept in a shed and had 2 kids with the kidnapper. Fishhook. Nut Sack. Clothesline.
Such a sick twist to the whole thing. The whole story makes me ashamed of humanity. How could anyone do this?

My question is, why did it ta.ke her so long to come forward and say she was kidnapped? She is 29 now... Did she just find out? The articles say she has memories of before she was kidnapped.
Its unreal
Stockholm Syndrome is my guess. You get a kid at age 11 and their mind is so undeveloped still. You can mold them into almost anything. There was that case in Missouri with the boy and the Elizabeth Smart case too. I'm guessing the mind just goes into survival mode and those thoughts of escape just don't come up.

I've heard stories that people who've gone to jail for drunk driving have done it again afterwards. Perhaps at some point our society will realize you can't rehabilitate drunk drivers and should keep them behind bars forever! :mad:
Apples and Oranges (although I do think DUI penalties should be much stricter).

Repeat rates for violent sex offenders are extremely high (some reports show over 80 or 90%). Even higher when it comes to children. You can't rehabilitate an urge that someone has. You can't make a pedophile like grown women. If they aren't able to control their urges, the penalty should be life in prison or removal of the mechanism that causes those urges.

Makes me want to vomit.

I'm not for the death penalty, but this kind of thing makes me waver a little.

Stockholm Syndrome is my guess.

+1

Keep in mind she apparently had two kids with the guy. She probably feared that the children would get hurt if she ran, and the logistics of trying to escape with both of them would be pretty tough, even once she hit her twenties.

All in all, totally f'ed up situation, just awful.

Keep in mind she apparently had two kids with the guy. She probably feared that the children would get hurt if she ran, and the logistics of trying to escape with both of them would be pretty tough, even once she hit her twenties.

All in all, totally f'ed up situation, just awful.

Yeah. Very hard to see a 'happy ending' for anyone here.

There are some sick motherfuckers here on this planet. I couldn't even begin to imagine something like this happening to one of my kids. What a shame...

Dang, I work and grew up in Antioch.

Apples and Oranges (although I do think DUI penalties should be much stricter).

Repeat rates for violent sex offenders are extremely high (some reports show over 80 or 90%). Even higher when it comes to children. You can't rehabilitate an urge that someone has. You can't make a pedophile like grown women. If they aren't able to control their urges, the penalty should be life in prison or removal of the mechanism that causes those urges.

80-90%, what? Most studies have wildly varying recidivism rates, but that's well out of an outlier. Alcoholism, btw is an urge as well.

Furthermore:

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/crimoff.htm#recidivism

Sex offenders were less likely than non-sex offenders to be rearrested for any offense –– 43 percent of sex offenders versus 68 percent of non-sex offenders.

I'm down for executing repeat child sex offenders. Like 2nd strike your out. None of this 5 year appeal process. Fuck you, 30 days from now you're dead.

I basically have no tolerence in this area.

80-90%, what? Most studies have wildly varying recidivism rates, but that's well out of an outlier. Alcoholism, btw is an urge as well.

Furthermore:

Not Found (http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/crimoff.htm#recidivism)
The problem with your statistics is it's based on re-arrests, not committing of actual crimes. It doesn't take into effect previous victimes or a lifetime that faces a sex offender. It also takes a broad swipe at sex offenders as opposed to focusing on those that are true sex offenders (not the 18 year old who had sex with his 15 year old girlfriend).

This is a 25 year study that shows 88.3%.

http://ccoso.org/Canadianstudy.pdf

I'm down for executing repeat child sex offenders. Like 2nd strike your out. None of this 5 year appeal process. Fuck you, 30 days from now you're dead.

I basically have no tolerence in this area.

I agree! I'm not even sure they should get a chance at a second strike. Maybe just first-strike and you're out.

I agree! I'm not even sure they should get a chance at a second strike. Maybe just first-strike and you're out.

I think it depends on the strike. 18 year old with a 15 year old? Probably should get a second chance. 40 year old with a 12 year old? Hang him in the center of town.

I think it depends on the strike. 18 year old with a 15 year old? Probably should get a second chance. 40 year old with a 12 year old? Hang him in the center of town.

There are certainly not enough hangings in the center of town anymore.

There are certainly not enough hangings in the center of town anymore.

Hangings were the liberal version of the head-on-a-pike. Now there is a crime deterrent!

The problem with your statistics is it's based on re-arrests, not committing of actual crimes. It doesn't take into effect previous victimes or a lifetime that faces a sex offender. It also takes a broad swipe at sex offenders as opposed to focusing on those that are true sex offenders (not the 18 year old who had sex with his 15 year old girlfriend).

This is a 25 year study that shows 88.3%.

http://ccoso.org/Canadianstudy.pdf

Sorry, but I don't go for the "unreported or undetected crimes" crap in determining this sort of thing. Mostly because it's usually an apples and oranges - using unreported crimes for sex offenders, but not for drunk drivers.

Secondly the determination that a crime has been done without reporting or detection is extremely shady (psychiatric assessment? I'm not trusting a study based on that).

Furthermore, the Canadian study acknowledges how different other studies have been on these rates.

I think it depends on the strike. 18 year old with a 15 year old? Probably should get a second chance. 40 year old with a 12 year old? Hang him in the center of town.

this is true. i should have clarified my statement a bit more to say basically this.

I'm down for executing repeat child sex offenders. Like 2nd strike your out. None of this 5 year appeal process. Fuck you, 30 days from now you're dead.

I basically have no tolerence in this area.

I agree! I'm not even sure they should get a chance at a second strike. Maybe just first-strike and you're out.

I agree too.

Story could potentially get even sadder. Bones found on his property.

Police: Bones found on Garrido property - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/16/california.kidnapping/index.html)

Oof. What can you say? That's just horrible. There are some twisted people out there. I've never been a parent, but I worry what parents must think when it comes to protecting their kids. There's only so much you can't do. You can watch them 24/7 once they get school aged. It could happen at any moment, to any child.

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Oof. What can you say? That's just horrible. There are some twisted people out there. I've never been a parent, but I worry what parents must think when it comes to protecting their kids. There's only so much you can't do. You can watch them 24/7 once they get school aged. It could happen at any moment, to any child.

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Sometimes my wife thinks that I'm overprotective (not that she isn't protective and responsible), but stuff like this just reinforces the fact that you can never be too vigilant, nor can you trust ANYONE you don't really know with your kids.