Okay I'm a little bored and had some time on my hands so I decided to think up another draft to host on FOFC. There are a lot of TV Junkies on the board so I've decided to host a Sitcom Draft.

The rules are pretty simple, draft the best sitcom family, and see if the FOFC Community thinks that you have the best family. All judged by them.

In the time honored tradition of FOFC drafts created and primarily run by Maple Leafs, I will be running a Sitcom Family Draft.

FOFC Sitcom Family Draft

This Draft will consist of 10 rounds.

How To Play

If you want to play, PM me. If there's a lot of interest, I'll randomly select ten players. By "randomly" I mean that after a day or so, I'll "randomly" pick whichever ten to twelve people I want.

The draft will be conducted via the forum, in a separate draft thread. When it's your turn to draft, you post, ideally with a brief note about the reason for your choice. If you won't be around, you PM someone else your picks in advance to keep things moving. You will agree to this, and then not do it. This will slow up the draft and annoy everyone. You won't care, you selfish prick.

The draft is a serpentine draft -- that the order reverses each round. Draft order will be determined before we start.

How to win

The fun here comes more from the draft itself than from actually winning, but just in case it matters: Once the draft is done, we'll hold a vote and let FOFC choose the winner. FOFC will pick someone shitty. They always do.

To win you want to assemble the best family possible.

The Rosters

You will draft a family of 6, a pet, best friend, bad guy/girl, and a location. It is up to you to decide who fits the categories the best

Your team will consist of 10 members, at the following positions:

Dad:

Mom:

Brother:

Sister:

Pet:

Best Friend of Lead Character:

Bad Guy/Girl:

Wildcard:

Housekeeper/Butler/Nanny:

Location of Family:

Additional rules thrown in to make it needlessly complicated

1) Once you draft a family member, pet, location, nanny, or anything from a TV showyou cannot draft another member from that same show.

2) When a "TV Character" is drafted, the actor or actress that plays that character many not be drafted by anyone else even if they are in another sitcom.

3) You are encouraged to write up a little piece on each of your picks to explain why you chose a player for that certain category. It could help you later on when it comes time for voting.

4) Additional categories or rules can be added by suggestion, but will be finalized before the draft starts.

5) I break all disputes and my decision is final.

6) No reality show characters. No movie characters.

A few notes

The draft is open to everyone -- observers are welcome. Discussion of picks is encouraged. In general, it's considered very poor form to suggest picks during the draft -- the equivalent of being the guy who doesn't play poker but sits at the rail and shouts out to get attention. However, it will happen. If you're the sort of person who thinks you'd be really, really bothered by this, do yourself a favor and don't play.

A final note

If the idea of doing a just-for-fun draft strikes as you as stupid and/or pathetic, but you're the type of person who likes to post about text sims on an internet forum... well, you may want to give this a miss until your sense of irony develops a little more.

Round 1
1. Karlifornia - 1.1 Lucy Ricardo - Mom
2. Danny - 1.2 Stewie Grifiin - Bad Guy / Girl
3. Cartman - 1.3 Archie Bunker - Dad
4. DetoxRoX - 1.4 Arthur "The Fonz" Fonzereli - Best friend
5. larrymcg421 - 1.5 Cliff Huxtable - Dad
6. Raiders Army - 1.6 Alex P. Keaton - Brother
7. Maple Leafs - 1.7 Homer Simpson - Dad
8. Lathum - 1.8- George Costanza- Best Friend
9. RendeR - 1.9 Dick Solomon - Father
10. Tasan - 1.10 Mr. Belvedere - Housekeeper/Butler/Nanny
11. Wade Moore - 1.11 Lassie - Pet
12. Mustang - 1.12 - June Cleaver, - Mom

Round 2
1. Mustang - 2.1 Louis DePalma - Bad Guy
2. Wade Moore - 2.2 Theo Huxtable - Brother
3. Tasan - 2.3 Montgomery Burns - Bad Guy
4. RendeR - 2.4 Kelly Bundy - Sister
5. Lathum - 2.5 Mike Brady - Father
6. Maple Leafs - 2.6 Edith Bunker - Mom
7. Raiders Army - 2.7 Howard Cunningham - Dad
8. larrymcg421 - 2.8 - Mayberry, Location
9. DetoxRoX - 2.9 - Al Bundy - Dad
10. Cartman - 2.10 - Gilligan's Island - Location
11. Danny - 2.11 Barney Fife - Best Friend
12. Karlifornia - 2.12 Paul Pfeiffer- Best Friend

Round 3
1. Karlifornia - 3.1 Rosie from the Jetsons - Maid/Housekeeper
2. Danny - 3.02 - Samantha Stevens - Mom
3. Cartman - 3.3 Arnold Ziffel - Pet
4. DetoxRoX - 3.4 - Cheers Bar - Location
5. larrymcg421 - 3.5 - Alice Nelson - Maid/Housekeeper
6. Raiders Army - Edna Garrett - Butler/Maid/Housekeeper
7. Maple Leafs - 3.7 Tony Micelli - Butler/Maid/Housekeeper
8. Lathum - 3.8 Bart Simpson - Brother
9. RendeR - 3.9 Wisconsin - Location
10. Tasan - 3.10 Roseanne Conner - Mother
11. Wade Moore - 3.11 - Marsha Brady - Sister
12. Mustang - 3.12 Ed Norton - Best Friend

Round 4
1. Mustang - 4.1 -Benson - Butler/Maid/Housekeeper
2. Wade Moore - 4.2 - Geoffrey - Butler
3. Tasan - 4.3 Al Borland - Best Friend
4. RendeR - 4.4 Mork from Ork -Wildcard
5. Lathum - 4.5- Eddie Haskell- Bad Guy
6. Maple Leafs - 4.6 Mike Seaver - Son
7. Raiders Army - 4.7 Barney Stinson - Best Friend
8. larrymcg421 - 4.8 Elyse Keaton - Mom
9. DetoxRoX - 4.9 Kevin Arnold - Brother
10. Cartman - 4.10 - Malcom (in the Middle) - Brother
11. Danny - 4.11 Cosmo Kramer - Wildcard
12. Karlifornia - 4.12 Arnold Jackson-Brother

Round 5
1. Karlifornia - 5.1 Danny Tanner-Dad
2. Danny - 5.2 Mister Ed - Pet
3. Cartman - 5.3 Newman from Seinfeld - Bad Guy
4. DetoxRoX - 5.4 Wylie Coyote - Bad Guy
5. larrymcg421 - 5.5 Theodore "Beaver" Cleaver - Brother
6. Raiders Army - 5.6 ALF aka Gordon Schumway - Wildcard
7. Maple Leafs - 5.7 - Wildcard - Balki Bartokomous
8. Lathum - 5.8- Fran Fine - Nanny
9. RendeR - 5.9 Dan Fielding -bad guy
10. Tasan - 5.10 Steve Urkel - Wildcard
11. Wade Moore - 5.11 Fred G. Sanford - Dad
12. Mustang - 5.12 - Basil Fawlty - Wildcard

Round 6
1. Mustang - 6.1 - Eddie - Pet
2. Wade Moore - 6.2 - Florida Evans - Mom
3. Tasan - 6.3 Dino - Pet
4. RendeR - 6.4 Alan Harper - Brother
5. Lathum - 6.5- Sam Malone - Wildcard
6. Maple Leafs - 6.6 Larry Dallas - Best Friend
7. Raiders Army - 6.7 Joy Turner - Bad Girl
8. larrymcg421 - 6.8 Ellie Mae - Sister
9. DetoxRoX - 6.9 Marie Barone, Mom
10. Cartman - 6.10 - Wilson from Home Improvement - Wildcard
11. Danny - 6.11 Springfield, Location
12. Karlifornia - 6.12 Eric Cartman- Bad Guy

Round 7
1. Karlifornia - 7.1 The dream world Bob Newhart- Location
2. Danny - 7.2 Charles, Nanny - Charles N Charge
3. Cartman - 7.3 Daphne Moon, - Housekeeper/Butler/Nanny
4. DetoxRoX - 7.4 Latka Gravas - Wildcard
5. larrymcg421 - 7.5 Mr. Wilson - Wildcard
6. Raiders Army - 7.6 Angela Bower - Mom
7. Maple Leafs - 7.7 Buck Bundy - Pet
8. Lathum - 7.8 - Clair Huxtable - Mom
9. RendeR - 7.9 Shirley Partridge - MOM
10. Tasan - 7.10 Richie Cunningham - Brother/Son
11. Wade Moore - 7.11 Fred "Rerun" Stubbs - Best Friend of Lead
12. Mustang - 7.12 - Monica Geller - Sister

Round 8
1. Mustang - 8.1 - Bernie McCullough - Dad
2. Wade Moore - 8.2 Deacon Ernest Frye - Bad Guy
3. Tasan - 8.3 Red Forman - Dad
4. RendeR - 8.4 Barney Rubble - Best Friend
5. Lathum - 8.5 WKRP in Cincinnati - Location
6. Maple Leafs - 8.6 South Park - Location
7. Raiders Army - 8.7 Miley Stewart - Sister
8. larrymcg421 - 8.8 Gob - Bad Guy
9. DetoxRoX - 8.9 - Lowell Mathers - Housekeeper
10. Cartman - 8.10 Eric Murphy aka "E", - Best Friend of Lead Character
11. Danny - 8.11 Samantha Micelli, Sister/Daughter
12. Karlifornia - 8.12 Wednesday Addams, sister

Round 9
1. Karlifornia - 9.1. Corky - Wild Card
2. Danny - 9.2 Jed Clampett, Dad
3. Cartman - 9.3 The car, from My Mother the Car - Mom
4. DetoxRoX - 9.4 - Michelle Tanner - Sister
5. larrymcg421 - 9.5 Murray - Pet
6. Raiders Army - 9.6 Scooby Doo - Pet
7. Maple Leafs - 9.7 Mallory Keaton - Sister
8. Lathum -
9. RendeR -
10. Tasan -
11. Wade Moore -
12. Mustang -

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I'd be interested.

I'd probably do better with this than I did in the NHL draft, but I'll stick with observing since I had much more fun that way. Good idea though.

interested

Lathum is in

Really want to be in a draft. But I just don't think I would do good in this one... even though I watch a lot of T.V. Will be part of the bleachers.

I'm in it to win it!

Sounds cool. PM sent.

All shall feel my wrath

Danny is in

Great draft idea. I wish I had time during the days to participate in one of these. Maybe someday. In the meantime, I'll be watching. And casting a withering glare upon those who make poor selections.

I am in as a snarky observer. It's the role I was born to play, baby!

when is this slated to begin?

when is this slated to begin?

It's already over, baby.

Can't be in it, with no access to FOFC during the day, and my own impression of a lack of ability in this particular genre, but I will certainly be following along. A terrific idea, Brian.

If there's still space, I'm game.

Ditto. I think I'd like to play in this one.

I have 10 so far...there is room for 2 more if anyone else wants in.

So far I have Mustang, DetoxRoX, Lathum, Karlifornia, Raiders Army, Danny, Cartman, Tasan, Wade Moore, and larrymcg421

Maple Leafs is in...room for 1 more!

Is there a definition of "sitcom"?

Because if not, I'm totally going Bucc on everyone. I'll be drafting characters from "Roots".

Is there a definition of "sitcom"?

Because if not, I'm totally going Bucc on everyone. I'll be drafting characters from "Roots".

You didnt read rule #1!

I guess we should add the rule that Reality Shows are not to be used...or should we just leave it up to the voters?

I am in as a snarky observer. It's the role I was born to play, baby!

I'll be right there with you.

I guess we should add the rule that Reality Shows are not to be used...or should we just leave it up to the voters?

As an outsider, I would recommend no Reality Shows. It is going to be quite a stretch to fit people into the established categories.

Am I the only one that sees a pretty clear line between a sitcom and other types of shows?

A half-hour, situational comedy.

Do you guys not agree?

Am I the only one that sees a pretty clear line between a sitcom and other types of shows?

A half-hour, situational comedy.

Do you guys not agree?

I don't want to just say 30 minute shows. There are some hour shows that can be added in. I'm not talking about CSI type shows, but there are a few out there that were an hour long and had "family" values or situations.

But all in all I agree with you.

I don't want to just say 30 minute shows. There are some hour shows that can be added in. I'm not talking about CSI type shows, but there are a few out there that were an hour long and had "family" values or situations.

But all in all I agree with you.

Hour long shows are dramas, not sitcoms imo. I just think that in the TV World there is a very clear distinction between the two.

Was MASH a sitcom? The Osbournes? I think its cut and dry for the most part, but there's some ambiguity which I favor just leaving for the voters, personally.

Was MASH a sitcom? The Osbournes? I think its cut and dry for the most part, but there's some ambiguity which I favor just leaving for the voters, personally.

Yes (1/2 hour situational comedy) and no (1/2 hour reality show).

I'm really confused as to how there is confusion here personally.

Hour long shows are dramas, not sitcoms imo. I just think that in the TV World there is a very clear distinction between the two.

I dont agree. I should've went with my gut and left the word Sitcom out of the title...and just left it as TV Family Draft. But I"m willing to go with the majority here...if they want it to be limited to 30 minute shows then so be it.

I dont agree. I should've went with my gut and left the word Sitcom out of the title...and just left it as TV Family Draft.

I wouldn't be argueing if you had said TV Family Draft, but that's an ENTIRELY different game than the TV Sitcom Family Draft. ENTIRELY different.

There is a HUGE difference between a 1-hour family related drama and a 1/2 hour family-related sitcom.

I wouldn't be argueing if you had said TV Family Draft, but that's an ENTIRELY different game than the TV Sitcom Family Draft. ENTIRELY different.

There is a HUGE difference between a 1-hour family related drama and a 1/2 hour family-related sitcom.

How about we agree to disagree?

How about we agree to disagree?

The definition completely changes the way this game is played, so I'm not sure that I like that option.

The definition completely changes the way this game is played, so I'm not sure that I like that option.

I am trying to be the better one here and not start a fight with you like the last time we were in a draft together. Sometimes you nitpick drafts and read into things so seriously that it takes the fun out of it. I understand the point about no reality shows but by taking someone from a "TV Family" that was on an hour long show that bad? Again, it is up to the voters to decide.

As I said a few posts up, I am willing to let it up to you guys. I WANT it to include hour long shows, but if people joined thinking it was only the 30 minute ones, I will just go with that.

Don't remember a previous fight. *shurg*

I'll just shutup and hope the voters understand what a sitcom is.

seems like this is something usually left up to the voters. Selecting something from what most would consider a gray area is a high risk pick.

As I said a few posts up, I am willing to let it up to you guys. I WANT it to include hour long shows, but if people joined thinking it was only the 30 minute ones, I will just go with that.

It is your game, design it how you want. If you want it to include hour long shows, pull the word "sitcom" from the description and everything will be fine. I have always taken "sitcom" to mean a half-hour show, but define it however you want in your game.

My team is going to appeal to the FOFC GenX.

And by FOFC GenX I mean everyone.

Christ you're all so fucked.

I think Carrot Top is funny so, my senses are highly tuned to what is or isn't humorous so, therefore, I know what sitcom is.

I'd like the "sitcom" vs "family" thing clarified, if only because I can see people taking Tony Soprano or JR Ewing and starting all sorts of arguments.

Beyond that, I'd be fine with letting the voters decide what a sitcom is. Let's face it, every single person in the draft is secretly planning to work The Simpsons in as a "sneaky" pick, so we might as well have that argument now.

I'd like the "sitcom" vs "family" thing clarified, if only because I can see people taking Tony Soprano or JR Ewing and starting all sorts of arguments.
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My vision was good wholesome family. Is that what others interpreted?

My vision was good wholesome family. Is that what others interpreted?

I wasn't sure if you met this, or any sitcom. I had planned on bringing the raunch.

I'll sign up if there is still room. I just want to know what the limits are, if its only 30 minute shows thats fine, if its up to hour long shows thats fine too =)

You are in RendeR. That closes the signups at 12.

I wasn't sure if you met this, or any sitcom. I had planned on bringing the raunch.

I guess that's another thing we could leave up to the voters :)

Wholesome != sitcom, to me at least.

Also, can we take people who weren't part of a sitcom family? Can Sam Malone be my sitcom dad?

Yay I get to play

IMO the fun of these drafts is letting the voters decide what falls under the parameters.

If I want to take, for example, Danny McCoy from Las Vegas or McDreamy from Greys Anatomy I should be able to and let the voters decide the merit of the pick.

IMO the fun of these drafts is letting the voters decide what falls under the parameters.

If I want to take, for example, Danny McCoy from Las Vegas or McDreamy from Greys Anatomy I should be able to and let the voters decide the merit of the pick.

I agree.

Or Dany Heatley as a power forward ;)

so now that there are 12 do we have an estimated start time?

I dont want to be the guy who holds things up.

Also one thing I have seen work is sending a PM to the person who picks after you

I can do the random draft list and have that up sometime tonight. People can start picking, the draft can officially start tomorrow morning.

That's all contingent on everyone agreeing on the rules...

I agree.

Or Dany Heatley as a power forward ;)

If only chauffeur were a category

IMO the fun of these drafts is letting the voters decide what falls under the parameters.
That's fine as long as the paramaters are clear at the start.

How about we all just pick when we go .. I'll go first. K thx bye

Are we all okay with leaving it up to the voters...no reality shows...no movies...?

Are we all okay with leaving it up to the voters...no reality shows...no movies...?
Are we leaving "sitcom" in the title? Or is it just the "family" draft?

Are we all okay with leaving it up to the voters...no reality shows...no movies...?

Fine by me.

And I am stating emphatically I am picking the raunchiest team possible, and the judges can bite me.

But please vote for me.

And I refuse to draft a cartoon .. kinda.

Are we leaving "sitcom" in the title? Or is it just the "family" draft?

I was going to replace Sitcom with TV. That way I don't lead the voters and drafters in the wrong direction.

If it's 30 minutes, and you laugh, it should count.

I can't think of an hour long show that I'd classify as a comedy. If someone could throw one out to help I'd be fine with it but I can't come up with one.

If it's 30 minutes, and you laugh, it should count.

I can't think of an hour long show that I'd classify as a comedy. If someone could throw one out to help I'd be fine with it but I can't come up with one.

Well The Office is an hour sometimes. I know it is mainly 30 minutes but I don't want people to complain if someone took say Pam...and then someone else said...well The Office is an hour sometimes.

Well The Office is an hour sometimes. I know it is mainly 30 minutes but I don't want people to complain if someone took say Pam...and then someone else said...well The Office is an hour sometimes.

That's fine. I am just thinking of weekly hour long shows.

Like I think Rescue Me is hilarious but I don't consider it a comedy. That was all I came up with.

Eight is Enough

Eight is enough was initially suposed to be a comedy, but it tends to be considered a drama after the fact. When we startin?

Draft Order Courtesy of Random.Org


Karlifornia
Danny
Cartman
DeToxRoX
larrymcg421
Raiders Army
Maple Leafs
Lathum
RendeR
Tasan
Wade Moore
Mustang

Dola...please bold your picks.

The draft "officially" starts tomorrow morning 8am EST. But you can start picking now.

I've hired Sherwood Schwartz as an official consultant for this draft.

Christ you're all so fucked.

Alright damnit, sombody kick karl, lets get this thing rolling today =)

so are we drafting in this thread?

Yessir...i'll update the first post with the picks. I changed the thread title.

Karl isn't here, so i will graciously swap my spot for his and get this thing goinmg.....you know...for the good of the draft.

If only chauffeur were a category

Ouch.

Okay, I'm here...let me take a few minutes to make sure I don't make an epic fail pick.

Shia LeBouf!

No worries Karl, just don;t take any of MY picks. bastard =)

Karl's pick is destined for fail.

Much like the s key on this laptop.

This word detined, i don't think it means what you think it means....

With the first pick in the Television Family Draft, Karl selects:

1.1 Mom-Lucy Ricardo, I Love Lucy

One of the biggest sit-coms of all time, Lucy was a shining light in the often dark wasteland that sit-com moms normally inhabit. She could pull off physical comedy, vaudeville nods, and musical comedy.

As hard as it was to choose, I felt this pick was necessary to take, because in the world of tv sit-coms, a good mom can be hard to find.

With the first pick in the Television Family Draft, Karl selects:

1.1 Mom-Lucy Ricardo, I Love Lucy

One of the biggest sit-coms of all time, Lucy was a shining light in the often dark wasteland that sit-com moms normally inhabit. She could pull off physical comedy, vaudeville nods, and musical comedy.

As hard as it was to choose, I felt this pick was necessary to take, because in the world of tv sit-coms, a good mom can be hard to find.

Bust.

And I don't mean her chest.

Bust.

And I don't mean her chest.

Suck it. Don't even remind everyone how I had to take over for you in the "Greatest athletes of all time draft" after you saddled me with lebron james and kurt angle.

I hate being #11, but it's good because I have to reshift my thinking now away from just my definition of sitcom ;).

I was thinking that if I had the 1st pick, that I would have been tempted to take Lucy, but would have struggled with putting her in the obvious 'Mom' category and might have went a different direction. While she was a parent on the show, I don't know how much Momness she really displayed. If there was a female lead category, I think this would have been a slam dunk.

I agree with the Lucy sentiments. An obvious choice to go somewhere but it makes it a tough sell because of forcing her into a catergory.

http://listverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/6.-ki-jana-carter.jpg

Ouch.

Not cool at all. If i could I'd ban you from this thread Ronnie :)

She was in the reach category on my board.

And I do mean reach around.

She was in the reach category on my board.

And I do mean reach around.

What! You said you didn't mean her chest, now you wanna reach around. Make up your mind!

Oh come on...most famous female in the history of television, and she had little Ricky! What does she need to do? Breastfeed on the air?

who hotter shia or lucy?

Oh come on...most famous female in the history of television, and she had little Ricky! What does she need to do? Breastfeed on the air?

Too bad most people 25 and under think Peggy Bundy is more relevant then Lucy.

FAIL.

Some people here are way too eager to bash picks.

Comparing Lucy to the Shia Labouef pick? Madness...

Some people here are way too eager to bash picks.

Comparing Lucy to the Shia Labouef pick? Madness...

In my defense .. My view is skewed by the extreme hatred for Karl.

I may be a little too young (and I'm not young relative to the overall board) to appreciate/villify the Lucy pick, but there are at least two moms that I thought of initially in this category that I think would be better received. I would not have floated either of them as the #1 overall pick.

Too bad most people 25 and under think some broad is more relevant then Lucy.

FAIL.

More like RAIL!

I'm curious if some of the sitcoms I'm thinking of get picked anywhere.

I'm curious if some of the sitcoms I'm thinking of get picked anywhere.

I am not sure what value Mad About You has.

More like RAIL!

STFU.

Aren't you out of town?

Hope your luaggage gets lost.

For me, I don't really think of Lucy as a mom. That's why I'm panning the pick. It has nothing to do with time. There are plenty of older picks who will work great in this draft.

I could be wrong in my recollections, however. I don't remember the family portion being a central part of I Love Lucy.

Train, so my bag won't leave my sight.

You can hope for a derailment of the Acela tomorrow though. Thanks.

Too bad most people 25 and under think Peggy Bundy is more relevant then Lucy.

FAIL.

Not all FOFC judges are 25 and under...

Not all FOFC judges are 25 and under...

In fact, I'd say most of them aren't.

I am not sure what value Mad About You has.

I wanna lick Helen Hunt's forehead.

Speaking of judges, what's the over/under on the first pick that gets killed by critics, resulting in the picker scrambling to play the "oh yeah, I know, I'm just pandering to the voters" card?

I'm going to say 1.4.

Detox is going to have some really tough decisions to make, though...like Steve or Jefferson D'Arcy, or whether or not the Shield can be considered a comedy.

Not all FOFC judges are 25 and under...

I know. I just want to make Karl feel like shit.

Just get a room already.

While we all sit around waiting for the official start of the draft, a quick reminder: Do not send your picks to bsak in advance.

While doing that would allow things to move really quickly and make this fun for everyone, we'd all much rather wait around for you to make your pick in person.

You're just that goddamn special.

It's DR Sak...I didn't spend 6 years in evil medical school to be called bsak...thank you very much!

Speaking of judges, what's the over/under on the first pick that gets killed by critics, resulting in the picker scrambling to play the "oh yeah, I know, I'm just pandering to the voters" card?

I'm going to say 1.4.

Never crossed my mind. I generally stick to good shows.

I would have gone in a different direction with 1.1, but I belive Lucy Ricardo is certainly worthy of the choice. I would point out that sitcoms are more funny when a character can't be shoehorned into a traditional role.

Lucy was an interesting pick. She wasn't even my first choice for Mom.

Quick question for Location: If somebody picks a location like say...Iraq in the sitcom Life in Iraq, does that mean that nobody else can pick a show based in that location? I would vote no to that, since if somebody picks up NYC, that knocks a lot of sitcoms out the window.

Quick question for Location: If somebody picks a location like say...Iraq in the sitcom Life in Iraq, does that mean that nobody else can pick a show based in that location? I would vote no to that, since if somebody picks up NYC, that knocks a lot of sitcoms out the window.
Location: Earth

I win the draft.

Location: Earth

I win the draft.

ANd I'm interested in the decision on locations as my top pick depends upon the outcome.

1) Once you draft a family member from a sitcom you cannot draft another member from that same sitcom.

2) When a "TV Character" is drafted, the actor or actress that plays that character many not be drafted by anyone else even if they are in another sitcom.

You should be safe. Nothing in the rules calling for any kind of elimination based on location.

Quick question for Location: If somebody picks a location like say...Iraq in the sitcom Life in Iraq, does that mean that nobody else can pick a show based in that location? I would vote no to that, since if somebody picks up NYC, that knocks a lot of sitcoms out the window.

Based on the fact that no other rule knocks out an entire show, i'd be surprised if something as broad as location does.

You should be safe. Nothing in the rules calling for any kind of elimination based on location.

Good point. Also, on the first rule maybe it needs to be clarified that even if you choose a pet or housekeeper, etc. from a sitcom it knocks the sitcom out. Reading it literally, I see it as if you pick a dad, you can still pick a buddy, pet, etc. from that sitcom but not a mom, brother, or sister. Maybe it was meant to be just inclusive of family members though.

Location: Earth

I win the draft.

EDIT: don't wanna do any "spoilers"

I'm trying not to be the dick of this draft, but...

What happened to not talking about future picks? That's being violated all over the place here.

I agree with the dick posting above.

:)

I agree with the dick posting above.

:)
:D

:D

Well, I didn't explicitly mention any characters, but I get what you're saying.

Well, I didn't explicitly mention any characters, but I get what you're saying.
Right.. I didn't quote you because it's not just you - and others have mentioned specific characters.

Anyway, I said my piece.

Less bitching more drafting. bitches.

Quick question for Location: If somebody picks a location like say...Iraq in the sitcom Life in Iraq, does that mean that nobody else can pick a show based in that location? I would vote no to that, since if somebody picks up NYC, that knocks a lot of sitcoms out the window.

To answer this I can give an example...say you pick Springfield. Then you can't take anyone else from the Simpsons. So when choosing a Location say the city and the TV show associated with it.

I realize now it doesn't explicitly say it in the rules but Pets, location...everything should be included in the idea of "When you pick someone from that show, you cannot pick another person, pet, location". And since Karl is the only one who drafted so far...i'll update that in the rules.

Thank you to everyone who pointed this out.

How the hell do we pick a best PET?????

How the hell do we pick a best PET?????

I came up with a list of 10 pretty quickly

Oh, and I'm gonna PM Danny.

I came up with a list of 10 pretty quickly

True. I'll keep my comments to myself until after I've picked my pet. :)

Sorry for the delay. I had no idea this started until Karlifornia sent me the PM.

Will have a pick up shortly after a little research.

I see it didn't officially start now. I'm doing some research, but my pick should still be up within the hour.

1.2 Stewie Grifiin - Bad Guy / Girl / Baby

Stewie is a great sitcom character and is the quintessential lovable villain. Plus now the other good characters from family guy and some from American dad can not be drafted, so I have the market cornered on those shows :). I chose Stewie over someone like Peter because in the dad category Peter is middle ground, but I feel Stewie is at the top of the villains. Plus, he is my favorite character on the show.

Can't be in it, with no access to FOFC during the day, and my own impression of a lack of ability in this particular genre, but I will certainly be following along. A terrific idea, Brian.

+1

1.3 Archie Bunker - Dad

Perhaps the greatest character ever created for TV. He was much more than the gruff malcontent that so often came through. Most people have some part of the character that they can either strongly identify with or know someone just like him.

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After you make your pick, please PM the next person.

I dont like the Lucy pick either. I dont picture her as a sitcom Mom.
And there are a lot better picks out there then Lucy as a mother.
That was the worst overall 1st pick. Jeff George, anyone?

Archie Bunker is a nice pick. He's definitely a generational-epoch-defining sort of character.

Lucy is an amazing TV character, but I have to agree with those who don't see her as a "mom."

Stewie Griffin is an interesting cock-block pick, and may be quite good as a bad guy... I just feel that's an odd category to pick in the first round, sort of like going punter. Maybe you got Ray Guy, but he's still a punter.

Ummm...ok. Lucy as a "mom"? Bunker as a "dad"? They were known for many things but not specifically as a role of a mother or father. Or should this be interpreted more of a figurehead role?

Stewie Griffin is an interesting cock-block pick, and may be quite good as a bad guy... I just feel that's an odd category to pick in the first round, sort of like going punter. Maybe you got Ray Guy, but he's still a punter.

I agree. While I like the strategery, in the end, we vote on this list - not necessarily on what the pick does to others.

Archie Bunker is a nice pick. He's definitely a generational-epoch-defining sort of character.

Lucy is an amazing TV character, but I have to agree with those who don't see her as a "mom."

Stewie Griffin is an interesting cock-block pick, and may be quite good as a bad guy... I just feel that's an odd category to pick in the first round, sort of like going punter. Maybe you got Ray Guy, but he's still a punter.

There are lots of dads, moms, brothers, etc... I didn't feel there were many villains in the sitcom genre who were also the best character on the show.

1.2 Stewie Grifiin - Bad Guy / Girl / Baby

Stewie is a great sitcom character and is the quintessential lovable villain. Plus now the other good characters from family guy and some from American dad can not be drafted, so I have the market cornered on those shows :). I chose Stewie over someone like Peter because in the dad category Peter is middle ground, but I feel Stewie is at the top of the villains. Plus, he is my favorite character on the show.

It's not true that it blocks others from Family Guy.

From the rules: 1) Once you draft a family member, pet, location, nanny, or anything from a TV showyou cannot draft another member from that same show.

You can't draft someone from Family Guy.

No one can draft a character voiced by Seth Mcfarlane. Seth Mcfarlane does most of the voices on Family guy as well as the dad and Roger from American Dad.

2) When a "TV Character" is drafted, the actor or actress that plays that character many not be drafted by anyone else even if they are in another sitcom.

No one can draft a character voiced by Seth Mcfarlane. Seth Mcfarlane does most of the voices on Family guy as well as the dad and Roger from American Dad.

You greasy bastard.

Ummm...ok. Lucy as a "mom"? Bunker as a "dad"? They were known for many things but not specifically as a role of a mother or father. Or should this be interpreted more of a figurehead role?
I think Archie Bunker works better as a dad than Lucy does as a mom. The play between him and Gloria/Meathead was a huge part of his character.

1.2 Stewie Grifiin - Bad Guy / Girl / Baby

Stewie is a great sitcom character and is the quintessential lovable villain. Plus now the other good characters from family guy and some from American dad can not be drafted, so I have the market cornered on those shows :). I chose Stewie over someone like Peter because in the dad category Peter is middle ground, but I feel Stewie is at the top of the villains. Plus, he is my favorite character on the show.

Good pick...probably more for the block than the actual pick, IMHO. Brian as the pet, and as you said, Peter as the Dad are blocked.

After careful consideration, and in going with a more modern theme, we here at team DeTox have determined that there is no better best friend to a lead character then ..

1.4: Arthur "The Fonz" Fonzereli [Best friend]

Who doen't know the Fonz?

detox with the early lead!

(Golf claps for DeToxRox)

Nice pick Detox. That eliminates Henry Winkler from future consideration.

Nice pick Detox. That eliminates Henry Winkler from future consideration.

Haha, this cracked me up

That would have been my 1st pick. The Fonz is a great pick.

After careful consideration, and in going with a more modern theme, we here at team DeTox have determined that there is no better best friend to a lead character then ..

1.4: Arthur "The Fonz" Fonzereli [Best friend]

Who doen't know the Fonz?

:mad: That was my first pick!

1.5 Cliff Huxtable - Dad

Gotta go with Cliff, one of the funniest and most likeable dads in TV history. My favorite Cliff moment is in the first episode where he teaches Theo how to live like a regular person, using monopoly money as an example.

1.5 Cliff Huxtable - Dad

Gotta go with Cliff, one of the funniest and most likeable dads in TV history. My favorite Cliff moment is in the first episode where he teaches Theo how to live like a regular person, using monopoly money as an example.

"You gonna have a girlfriend?"
"For sure..."

And LarryMcG complies with the Rooney er Pumpy rule with his minority pick.

1.5 Cliff Huxtable - Dad

Gotta go with Cliff, one of the funniest and most likeable dads in TV history. My favorite Cliff moment is in the first episode where he teaches Theo how to live like a regular person, using monopoly money as an example.

That scene was hilarious. This is a great pick!

That was my 1.1.

I thought Cliff might fall to me at #7. Damn.

I'm now in "trade down for more picks" mode.

My top pick is still there ,keeping my fingers crossed

did someone PM Raiders Army, I would love to make my first pick tonight

I'm going to bed soon. If I can't make it tonight, I'll be around to make my pick sometime Saturday afternoon.

Was that scene really in the first Cosby Show episode? Truly a memorable one.

And I fully agree on Archie being a much more memorable dad than Lucy was a mom.

That was my 1.1.

Mine also.

Now Cosby is a real "dad", one of the best of all time. Fonz is a great pick too.

1.6 Alex P. Keaton (Michael J. Fox) - Brother
Alex epitomized the Reagan era and sprung Michael J. Fox onto the big screen in the Back to the Future movies.

It's sort of fitting that as the Cosby Show closes out with pick 1.5, Family Ties follows with pick 1.6.

Just a heads up - I woke up feeling really ill this morning. I'm at work, but probably going home. If I'm unavailable my brother, lordscarlet, will be trying to make picks for me.

Just a heads up - I woke up feeling really ill this morning. I'm at work, but probably going home. If I'm unavailable my brother, lordscarlet, will be trying to make picks for me.

Sorry to hear that. Hope you feel better.

Just a heads up - I woke up feeling really ill this morning. I'm at work, but probably going home. If I'm unavailable my brother, lordscarlet, will be trying to make picks for me.

Hope you feel better. PM me a list with instructions if needed. Also my AIM name is in my profile if you want to reach me there.

From his list Maple Leafs Selects:

1.7 Homer Simpson - Dad

Remember...sending lists to me is good!

I'm home now.

if you could PM me and lordscarlet when I'm up, that woudl be appreciated - going to veg on the couch for a bit and he can call me when I'm up.

After the first four picks, I was excited to see Dr. Huxtable and Alex Keaton still on the board. I was even wondering if I'd get really lucky and wind up with both.

Screw you guys.

You got a great consolation prize, at least.

really strong picks by everyone so far IMO. I'd say it's fairly neck-and-neck.

Archie Bunker is definately a dad and cartman vaults into the early lead.

That totally would have been my pick. Talk about a guy who changed the genre of TV.

I think that at the end of the draft, bsak should assign everyone a grade for how quickly they picked. Voters could choose to factor that into their choices if they wanted to.

Might motivate us to move a little quicker and send a few lists.

I think there should be punishing auto-picks. Like one of the Cavemen from that show or something equally horrible.

I normally put together a google spreadsheet of the picks, but I don't know if I will have time. :(

If I copy the format to a new sheet (which will do make multiple style lists based on a single data entry -- by category, by draft order, etc) would someone want to keep it up to date?

I'd try if it was easy enough....sounds a bit complicated...

Homer would have been my 1.1 -- the most iconic TV dad of the last 15 years.

I'm still surprised by the disdain for the Lucy pick. Maybe I simply watched it more growing up than others did.

1.8- George Costanza- Best Friend

Best show ever.

Good pick Lathum. Was on my short list for 1.12/1.13, but didn't think it would make it there.

Good pick Lathum. Was on my short list for 1.12/1.13, but didn't think it would make it there.

thanks, I was surprised it made it to me.

I had Homer, Keaton and Cliff on my list as well.

thanks, I was surprised it made it to me.

I had Homer, Keaton and Cliff on my list as well.

I would imagine that is because there is no family in Seinfeld. ;) But, it appears others think it was a good pick. I'm not sure how it fits in to a "TV Family" draft, though. I guess it depends on your interpretation. I already argued with Wade about that one. :)

I'd try if it was easy enough....sounds a bit complicated...

It's very easy. Do you have a google docs account? If so, post it here or PM me. If not, send me an email address for me to send it to and it should let you edit it from that. I put in the data up to now.

It can be embedded in the first post, if you like. That's what I do when I run a draft, but you certainly don't have to.

For those that want to view it: FOFC TV Family Draft - Google Docs (http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pflesdvL9IZ86jIEzeEKPBA)

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I would imagine that is because there is no family in Seinfeld. ;) But, it appears others think it was a good pick. I'm not sure how it fits in to a "TV Family" draft, though. I guess it depends on your interpretation. I already argued with Wade about that one. :)

IMO this statement makes no sense.

A. Jerry's and Georges parents are very central players in the show.
B. The catergory was best friend, last time I checked most peoples best friend isn't in their family.

I can't really think of another best friend that is more relevant from a more popular show.

IMO this statement makes no sense.

A. Jerry's and Georges parents are very central players in the show.
B. The catergory was best friend, last time I checked most peoples best friend isn't in their family.

I can't really think of another best friend that is more relevant from a more popular show.

A. I think they were side characters at best. The show was not about their family. However, I can see the justification.
B. Yes, but it is the "Television Family" draft.

I think I will be the only one that feels this way, so it is not really worth arguing. I can concede that you can come up with logic to justify it, I just don't agree. :) In the end I doubt it will make a huge impact on my voting, but I hope it isn't a gateway into even looser interpretations.

I agree LS. I think it's a decent pick, but not a first rounder. Maybe the "television family" part of the draft is not as central as I interpreted.

IMO this statement makes no sense.


I would think that he is narrowing the choices down to those Sitcoms that are about a family (e.g. Family Ties) although, I didn't take the draft to be that narrow in scope.

I would think that he is narrowing the choices down to those Sitcoms that are about a family (e.g. Family Ties) although, I didn't take the draft to be that narrow in scope.
I didn't either fwiw, therefore LS and I argued about it ;)

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You should change your e-mail address. You didn't go to school for six years not to have an e-mail address of dr.bfsakowski at whereever dot com!

I do believe emailing dr+bfsakowski would still go to that email box. :)

I agree LS. I think it's a decent pick, but not a first rounder. Maybe the "television family" part of the draft is not as central as I interpreted.


IMO the family part isn't as central. I'm not sure how you can say the guys best friend from arguably that greatest sitcom ever isn't a first round pick, but thats the point of these things.


I would think that he is narrowing the choices down to those Sitcoms that are about a family (e.g. Family Ties) although, I didn't take the draft to be that narrow in scope.

If it is that narrow a scope it will be virtualy impossible to find enough people from "family" sitcoms.

I can think of a ton of "best friend" types who were much more a part of the family than George was part of Jerry's family. The Fonz, for instance, was practically part of the Cunningham family.

I can think of a ton of "best friend" types who were much more a part of the family than George was part of Jerry's family. The Fonz, for instance, was practically part of the Cunningham family.

I can think of others as well, I guess we just have a different interpretation of the rules.

Well it says "Television Family" draft. I would've never considered George for that reason. That doesn't mean it's not a good pick. Some people will reward you. Some people will punish you. I certainly pushed boundaries in previous drafts, like my Gilgamesh pick in the history draft.

And I disagree that it will be virtually impossible with that scope. There have been a ton of family sitcoms over the years.

And I disagree that it will be virtually impossible with that scope. There have been a ton of family sitcoms over the years.

sure there have been, but IMO I would rather take a person from Seinfeld and have to face some scrutiny rather then pull someone from 8 is Enough

I can think of a ton of "best friend" types who were much more a part of the family than George was part of Jerry's family. The Fonz, for instance, was practically part of the Cunningham family.

If you want to get technical, the rules were best friend (of the lead character) so, The Fonz would be a horrible choice for that category because Happy Days didn't have a lead character and if anyone was the lead in Happy Days, it was the Fonz.

I'm just playing Devil's Advocate... I am in no way thinking The Fonz was a bad choice as the lead in Happy Days was the Cunningham family and The Fonz was the best friend to them and in the most technical interpretation of the rule, Jerry is the lead of Seinfeld and George is his best friend.

Aren't drafts fun. :D

I don't quite get that. Richie was clearly the lead character in Happy Days.

Sure, Fonzie eventually ended up stealing the show, but it was Richie's show he was stealing.

I don't quite get that. Richie was clearly the lead character in Happy Days.

Sure, Fonzie eventually ended up stealing the show, but it was Richie's show he was stealing.

+1

And yes, this is why I love drafts.

I don't quite get that. Richie was clearly the lead character in Happy Days.


Lead characters don't leave the show.

Although Happy Days is probably a bad example to use since the show really was split into 2 parts where Ritchie was the 'lead' and then Fonzie....

All I know is that I'm glad Lathum made the pick and not me. :p :D

Waiting hours between picks because people didn't send a list is awesome.

Waiting hours between picks because people didn't send a list is awesome.

I assume someone PM'd RendeR?

I PMed him before Lathum was up telling him he was on deck and after Lathum picked to tell him he was up.

Waiting hours between picks because people didn't send a list is awesome.
UNBEELEEBABA

Sorry guys, rough morning and then working. My sincereest apologies!!!

Pick coming up.

Another non-family pick. I guess I'm seeing this draft much differently than others.

Another non-family pick. I guess I'm seeing this draft much differently than others.

+1

DOH....actually, you're right....I'm an idiot.

Should I repick or just take a big fat FAIL for that one?

too many things going on at once today. I'm brain fried.

Should I repick or just take a big fat FAIL for that one?

No.

Definitely 2 schools of thought on this draft. One where people are taking from sitcoms that are family based and one where people are taking from all sitcoms to make a family.

Dick Solomon, 3rd Rock from the Sun 1996 : Father

John Lithgow plays the commander of an alien survey team. While not actual relatives they take on the roles of a typical american family and the hilarity ensues. Lithgow is a comic genius and plays the campy Commander dorkmobile to the hilt.

wait...which is your pick?

No.

Definitely 2 schools of thought on this draft. One where people are taking from sitcoms that are family based and one where people are taking from all sitcoms to make a family.

that was my interpretation.

As for the fielding pick, I think it could have been gotten much, much later.

what just happened?

Definitely 2 schools of thought on this draft. One where people are taking from sitcoms that are family based and one where people are taking from all sitcoms to make a family.

This is how I interpreted it.

Take Dick Solomon, I'll delete the first one. it should be family/based shows in my opinion.

Sorry for all the mess today. gah.

edit out the other one then...

I understand both positions but I actually think it should be family specific shows so thats the way my pick should have gone. For myself laarroquette shouldn;t have been an option. Sorry.

Done

Definitely 2 schools of thought on this draft. One where people are taking from sitcoms that are family based and one where people are taking from all sitcoms to make a family.
I think it's the latter, but anyone who just picks some favorite characters are crams them into various family spots is probably going to be disappointed with the voting.

You can choose Tony Soprano as the "best friend" or the "brother" because you think he's a cool character to have around, but if people don't associate him with that role then you're going to finish towards the bottom of the pack.

Wow, 3rd Rock from Sun as the #3 Dad, #9 overall? I would think that this pick would have been around many rounds later.

Probably but I just didn't like a lot of the other dad's. Cosby was #1 and after him they all pretty much suck. SO I took Lithgow because he's freakin awesome.

Wow, 3rd Rock from Sun as the #3 Dad, #9 overall? I would think that this pick would have been around many rounds later.

Perhaps the 12th? :)

Some great picks today. Homer and Alex P. would have been at the top of my list. George and John Lithgow are headscratchers (I would say Seinfeld was an ANTI-family comedy, IMO and 3rd Rock is 2nd or 3rd tier in television history). That's why we vote, though, isn't it :)

Keep up the good work ladies and gentlemen. I have been jonesing for this since the literature draft.

I PM'd Tasan.

I'm done defending my Costanza pick, I'll just say under my interpretation of the rules it is a top 3 pick.

I'm done defending my Costanza pick, I'll just say under my interpretation of the rules it is a top 3 pick.

The jerk store called and they're running out of you...

The jerk store called and they're running out of you...

the ocean called...

I'm done defending my Costanza pick, I'll just say under my interpretation of the rules it is a top 3 pick.

Mine, too, FWIW.

Well there is something to be said for the "family of who's there". I mean at some people's workplace they consider everyone family. Single people consider many people family that aren't.

So I understand the interpretation entirely.

THE VOTERS WILL DECIDE THE WINNAH!

I love it when the picks come flying in

I think by the end of the draft we'll see how many real true "family" picks were possible, and we'll vote appropriately.

I'm actually tihnking people will be hard pressed to find 12 of some of these categories that are actually "family" based sitcoms. This thing is not as simple as it may seem =)

Even if that were true, which I don't think it is, it doesn't excuse drafting from 3rd Rock from the Sun in the first round. ;)

I have an awesome pick for dad, at least in my mind this guy has to be top 3.

I'm actually tihnking people will be hard pressed to find 12 of some of these categories that are actually "family" based sitcoms. This thing is not as simple as it may seem =)

Isn't that the point? :)

It's like the people at my work that want an 8 person (rather than 14) fantasy league so that they can have a stacked team. These drafts are fun because they can be so hard. Adding in all the restrictions that eliminate people (such as a show being gone if you pick a character) is all part of strategizing and picking the best team based on the rules.

I have an awesome pick for dad, at least in my mind this guy has to be top 3.

Mr Hanky isn't a dad!

Mr Hanky isn't a dad!

:redface:

I went to lunch and came back fully expecting to not make my pick.

Mr Hanky isn't a dad!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f2/417_hankies22.gif

I'm actually tihnking people will be hard pressed to find 12 of some of these categories that are actually "family" based sitcoms. This thing is not as simple as it may seem =)

If so, then I expect some bonus points if I accomplish that. :)

So should we start enforcing a time limit tomorrow?

I think the Minnesota Vikings rule has been invoked before.

why?

it's only been 2 1/2 hours since the last pick

This is the exact wording from the esteemed Dr.'s first post:


The rules are pretty simple, draft the best sitcom family, and see if the FOFC Community thinks that you have the best family. All judged by them.

Anyone saying that the character has to be from a "family sitcom" is reading too much into the wording.

why?

it's only been 2 1/2 hours since the last pick
We've done one pick in six hours.

If people can't bother to pick and/or send a list in round one, what will they do in round nine?