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NEW TROUBLE FOR PACMAN

WSB-TV in Atlanta reports that Titans cornerback Pacman Jones allegedly punched a woman on January 3 in a North Atlanta strip club.

And the woman whom he punched is a lawyer.

The incident allegedly happened on January 3. The lawyer, Wanda Jackson, alleges that Jones entered a manager’s office, accusing the club among other things of stealing money from him. She says that, during the meeting, Jones lunged at her several times. She also alleges that, in a hallway after the meeting, he reached around a security guard and punched her.

Though the report isn’t clear on this point, it appears that a warrant has been issued for Jones’ arrest, and that he’s due in Court on February 8. The incident could result in a claim that he has violated his probation in Nevada stemming from the infamous Las Vegas strip club “Make It Rain”/”Make It Hail . . . Bullets” incident from February 2007.

Most importantly, it likely puts Jones back in the cross-hairs of Commissioner Roger Goodell. Though Jones has been cleared to re-join the Titans for offseason activities beginning in March, the league could look to swiftly impose further discipline on Jones as a result of these new allegations.

As we’ve said all along, if Jones can’t stay out of trouble when he has a job, he surely won’t be able to stay out of trouble when he doesn’t have a job.

Maybe when the former WVU star gets suspended the next time he’ll make good on his promise to return to school to get his degree . . . in Michigan.

And the woman whom he punched is a lawyer.


Unlucky. Seriously though, the guy's an idiot and his career is basically over now I bet.

Doesn't learn? No one got shot this time. I think he's getting better at it, and before you know it, he'll be beating up strippers and you'll barely hear a peep.

WTF? he punched a LAWYER, why is anyone complaning? Its her own fault she's female and chose...poorly.

ANd she can't be a very good lawyer if she's stripping on the side, right? am I right or am I right?


;)

ANd she can't be a very good lawyer if she's stripping on the side, right? am I right or am I right?

You're right. I was thinking what is a female lawyer doing in a strip club?

From what I've heard elsewhere, she was at the club working on a divorce case...

He should just buy a computer and just look at pron on the internets. Much cheaper and less likely he would get sued.

WTF? he punched a LAWYER, why is anyone complaning? Its her own fault she's female and chose...poorly.

ANd she can't be a very good lawyer if she's stripping on the side, right? am I right or am I right?


;)

Maybe she's a bad stripper, so she's practicing law on the side. Ever think of that?!?!?!

Maybe she's a bad stripper, so she's practicing law on the side. Ever think of that?!?!?!


There is no such thing as a truly bad stripper.

Not true, not true at all...

I don't know.. I bought a stripper once and it didn't get anything off anything.

There is no such thing as a truly bad stripper.

Ever been to Appleton, Wisconsin?

From what I've heard elsewhere, she was at the club working on a divorce case...

You know, none of my cases ever take me to strip clubs. Ever. I think it's time to change. I haven't been to a strip club in sometime, but isn't pretty much standard that a lap dance costs $20? If that's still the case, I'm starting to believe this is classic price fixing. We should bring a class action law suit against these establishments.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3199910

NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- Authorities in Georgia say a woman who accused suspended Tennessee Titans cornerback Adam "Pacman" Jones of hitting her has withdrawn her petition to have him arrested.

A clerk in the Warrants Division told The Associated Press that the petition of Wanda S. Jackson had been withdrawn on Wednesday.

Neither Jackson nor Jones' attorneys returned calls seeking comment on Wednesday.

Jackson, an attorney, said in her filing that she was in the Body Tap strip club's office on Jan. 3 when an angry Jones accused managers of stealing his money and bracelet.

Jackson said she was watching the confrontation when Jones "sucker punched" her.

Last month, Jones pleaded no contest to a disorderly conduct charge related to a strip club shooting in Las Vegas that left club manager Tommy Urbanski paralyzed.

Jones has been arrested six times since being drafted sixth overall in 2005, including two arrests in Georgia in 2006 that the Titans did not learn about until 2007. Jones was suspended for the 2007 season by NFL commissioner Roger Goodell in April.

At the time of his suspension, one of the changes Jones told Goodell he intended to make was to stay out of clubs and to avoid situations in which he might be compromised. Goodell has said that he has apprised Jones that he will ultimately be judged by his actions, not his words.

In mid-December, the NFL rejected an appeal by the players' union on behalf of Jones to have him reinstated for the final two games of the regular season.

Jones was allowed to go to the Titans' headquarters once their season ended with an AFC wild-card loss in San Diego on Jan. 6. The NFL plans to review his status following the Pro Bowl.

Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.


So what was the point of filing the petition?:confused:

So we don't forget about this talented NFL player.

So what was the point of filing the petition?:confused:

http://www.costumes247.com/images/prod/23322.jpg

edit: Which isn't to say he isn't guilty as hell, just that there shouldn't be any mystery about why the petition for a warrant went away.

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edit: Which isn't to say he isn't guilty as hell, just that there shouldn't be any mystery about why the petition for a warrant went away.

I thought he was already broke!

Exactly, Jon.

Of course, isn't Pacman supposed to be staying out of strip clubs anyways? Even if he isn't charged with anything, this may make it more difficult for him to be reinstated...

Actually I forgot about the TNA money:rolleyes:

Doesn't he have enough money to have a pole installed in his basement and invite some loose bitches over once a week for a show?

Doesn't he have enough money to have a pole installed in his basement and invite some loose bitches over once a week for a show?

Pacman goes to strip clubs for the food, not the girls.

Bump

ESPN - Cowboys' Pacman gets in fight with bodyguard at Dallas hotel - NFL (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3633432)

Dallas Cowboys cornerback Adam Jones got into a fight with one of his security guards at a downtown Dallas hotel on Wednesday morning, according to Dallas police.

Dallas' CBS affiliate, Channel 11, first reported Wednesday that Jones was involved in an altercation at the Joule Hotel in Dallas, damaging a bathroom.

Dallas Deputy Chief Vince Golbeck told the Dallas Morning News police were called to the scene at 1:30 a.m. Wednesday. Chief Golbeck told the News he thought Jones was staying at the hotel and may have been drinking.

There was no police report filed regarding the incident. No one was arrested and no one will be charged in connection with the fight.

"Someone from the business called police," Dallas police spokesman Cpl. Jerry Monreal told The Associated Press. "Police arrived and spoke to the parties after they had a verbal argument. Both parties agreed to leave, and they left."

Worrick Robinson, Jones' attorney, told ESPN's Ed Werder that he had a conversation with Jones on Wednesday about the alleged incident.

"I'm not satisfied anything has happened,'' Robinson said. "I perform due diligence on rumors anytime there is an allegation made against a player I represent, and at this point I can tell you that I'm not satisfied that anything occurred.''

NFL spokesman Greg Aiello had no comment. The Dallas Cowboys said they had no information about the incident and also had no comment.

A source told ESPN that NFL Security has been notified and is investigating.

It was apparently a coincidence that NFL commissioner Roger Goodell visited Cowboys players at their Valley Ranch training complex Wednesday. Goodell suspended Jones from the league for the entire 2007 season for violating the NFL player conduct policy.

Before meeting with the Cowboys on Wednesday, Goodell said to reporters in San Antonio: "Adam knows how much emphasis I put on making sure that he makes good choices going forward, that he avoids situations where he can reflect poorly on himself, the Cowboys or the NFL. So far he seems to have been able to do that very effectively.

"I am supportive of him and am hopeful that he will be able to do that for the rest of his life. I am hoping he will not only be a great NFL player but he will continue to do the right things so he can lead a productive life off the field as well."

The Cowboys acquired him from the Tennessee Titans in a historic trade in April. Jones became the first player in NFL history to be traded while serving a suspension.

The expectation is that Jones is likely to be called to New York to explain his conduct to Goodell, a source close to the player said. Jones' reinstatement is contingent upon his ability to conduct himself appropriately.

Deion Sanders, who has acted as a mentor for Adam Jones since his arrival in Dallas, was also at Valley Ranch on Wednesday, ESPN.com's Matt Mosley reported.

Compounding the potential consequences for the Cowboys is that Jones has been starting at left cornerback for Pro Bowler Terence Newman, who is attempting to confirm a preliminary diagnosis of a sports hernia injury that could sideline him for a minimum of six weeks if surgery is required.

In a sitdown interview with ESPN just before the start of the NFL season, Jones explained his decision to provide Jones with a four-man security detail at the team's expense.

"We have in place a staff here that really is good at monitoring what our players do," the Cowboys owner said. "Now I say this at the risk of knowing that in the next minute or in the morning I could get a phone call. ...When you're dealing with the numbers of people that we're dealing with and get some news that isn't too savory. On the other hand, this does call for an awareness on the part of any player that he is being monitored and the reputation of our team is at stake."

In his two decades of owning the Cowboys, Jones has established a reputation for taking risks on players who fit a specific profile. Jones says they must have a uniquely big work ethic, an intensely competitive personality and no history of substance abuse.

Before completing the trade, Jerry Jones told ESPN he sent investigators to Tennessee to research every incident in which Adam had been accused of wrongdoing and was so thorough in his background check that he and an assistant personally looked into every person to whom Jones wrote a personal check to determine the quality of people with whom he was associating.

Jerry Jones said he specifically informed Adam Jones he had lost most of his benefit of the doubt and underscored the privilege of playing in the NFL and wearing the Cowboys uniform.

"When we do have a player come to the Dallas Cowboys," Jones said, "I really do expect him to understand that, 'Look you've stepped on some bright lines you may even have gone over them certainly, and we've got to really get it back in the middle because all your benefit of the doubt is gone.'"





What a fucking idiot.

read about this earlier.

I still get neverending amusment out of the fact that Deion is Pac mans mentor

There is no such thing as a truly bad stripper.

Wow.

There are a few places in the Kings Cross region of Sydney that I could take you to make you change your tune.

I am just shocked that Pacman would screw up. It is so unlike him.

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Nicely played! Who is smarter, PacMan or the hamster?

SI

Some odd quotes there.Worrick Robinson, Jones' attorney, told ESPN's Ed Werder that he had a conversation with Jones on Wednesday about the alleged incident.

"I'm not satisfied anything has happened,'' Robinson said. "I perform due diligence on rumors anytime there is an allegation made against a player I represent, and at this point I can tell you that I'm not satisfied that anything occurred.''
...
In his two decades of owning the Cowboys, (Jerry) Jones has established a reputation for taking risks on players who fit a specific profile. Jones says they must have a uniquely big work ethic, an intensely competitive personality and no history of substance abuse.Weird phrasing by Pacman's lawyer, and then the quote by Jerry Jones, I'll just leave in the wind.

PACMAN JONES SUSPENDED INDEFINITELY
Posted by Michael David Smith on October 14, 2008, 2:42 p.m. EDT

Dallas Cowboys cornerback Adam “Pacman” Jones has been suspended indefinitely for his latest violation of the NFL’s personal-conduct policy.

Jones will be suspended without pay and will miss at least four games. After that, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell will make a determination as to whether Jones deserves reinstatement.

The NFL found that Jones was involved in an alcohol-related physical altercation and had therefore violated the terms of his reinstatement, ESPN’s Chris Mortensen reported.

The suspension is the latest piece of bad news in a terrible week for the Cowboys.

One piece of good news: Ed Werder of ESPN reports that as a result of the suspension, the Titans will not have to send a sixth-round draft pick to the Tennessee Titans, and the Titans will have to send the Cowboys a fifth-round pick.

Hopefully he is done in the NFL.

Hahahaha good.

One piece of good news: Ed Werder of ESPN reports that as a result of the suspension, the Titans will not have to send a sixth-round draft pick to the Tennessee Titans, and the Titans will have to send the Cowboys a fifth-round pick.


Could someone decipher that for me?

Dallas gave the Titans a fourth-round pick in this year’s draft and a sixth-rounder next year for Jones. The Cowboys would get back a fourth-rounder in 2009 if Pacman isn’t reinstated, or a fifth-rounder if he returns then gets punished again.

I don't understand what him getting in a fight with one of his four security guards has to do with anything. Sounds like a personal/Cowboys problem to me.

Well, I know who will NOT be winning the Come Back Play of the Year award.

I don't understand what him getting in a fight with one of his four security guards has to do with anything. Sounds like a personal/Cowboys problem to me.

Are you serious? Have you been under a rock for the past two years? Goddell is trying to "clean up" the league. A police matter is going to get you suspended in today's NFL. This is not just a fight, there are possible criminal charges. And for someone with Jones's past, that is bad news with the conduct guidelines in the NFL.

:( :( :(

{sad since this means TNA Wrestling will probably waste money on him again}

I don't understand what him getting in a fight with one of his four security guards has to do with anything. Sounds like a personal/Cowboys problem to me.


From what I understand from Mort earlier today, there was alcohol involved which is a technical violation of his probation. Even though the police didn't charge him, they could have easily violated him just for the drinking in public alone. That is why the NFL suspended him.

they could have easily violated him just for the drinking in public alone.

That right there would make me clean up my act. :)

There are those that say it should not matter what a player does off the field. I disagree. Forgetting rules and conditions put in place by the Commissioner, it has to do with the rewards of the NFL contract. We all know such contracts are short term in the least and finite compared to an average adult. You have done what it takes to get an NFL contract and you should do everything in your power to not jeopardize this golden chance. If you have a weakness for alcohol, then stay away from bars and nightclubs. If you have a weakness for violence, then stay away from situations where there would be criminal activity. That is a small price to pay for short term glory and riches. Problem is, some players believe they can have it both ways but when so much is at stake for such a short time, it would be prudent to not take risks and sacrifice a little.

I have no use for Adam Jones, despite a life long love for the Cowboys.

*However as I understand it*
The body guard was intoxicated and confronted Adam, and Adam pushed him into an elevator door and he stumbled into some other guests. Thus the body guard was intoxicated it is an alcohol related incident.

IF and I stress IF this is true, then Godell is over the line

I'm sure Pacman is an innocent victim in this.

While I have no love for Pacman, this couldn't have come at a worse time...

I have no use for Adam Jones, despite a life long love for the Cowboys.

*However as I understand it*
The body guard was intoxicated and confronted Adam, and Adam pushed him into an elevator door and he stumbled into some other guests. Thus the body guard was intoxicated it is an alcohol related incident.

IF and I stress IF this is true, then Godell is over the line

why was he at a hotel at 1:30 AM on a tuesday night?

Are you serious? Have you been under a rock for the past two years? Goddell is trying to "clean up" the league. A police matter is going to get you suspended in today's NFL.

This is what I have a problem with. If I get in a bar fight over the weekend but show up to work on Monday, why should my employer know or care? Now when my behavior starts affecting my work (i.e. missing days etc.) THEN my employer can and should have a problem.

I have no use for Adam Jones, despite a life long love for the Cowboys.

*However as I understand it*
The body guard was intoxicated and confronted Adam, and Adam pushed him into an elevator door and he stumbled into some other guests. Thus the body guard was intoxicated it is an alcohol related incident.

IF and I stress IF this is true, then Godell is over the line

Even if you want to make the case that Goodell is well within his right to suspend players for "police matters", how the fcck do you suspend someone before the courts have had their say? If a player is deemed innocent, you've already punished him for something a court said he didn't do. I happen to think Jones is a piece of shit human being, but for authoritarian Goodell to suspend him when the Cowboys chose not to is complete BS.

Question for the group: If this hadn't been all over ESPN the last few days do you think Goodell does anything?

why was he at a hotel at 1:30 AM on a tuesday night?

Apparently, he had just returned from a party thrown by Ludacris.

This is what I have a problem with. If I get in a bar fight over the weekend but show up to work on Monday, why should my employer know or care? Now when my behavior starts affecting my work (i.e. missing days etc.) THEN my employer can and should have a problem.


so you think as long as he shows up 1:00 PM every sunday anything else he does shouldnt matter?

This is what I have a problem with. If I get in a bar fight over the weekend but show up to work on Monday, why should my employer know or care? Now when my behavior starts affecting my work (i.e. missing days etc.) THEN my employer can and should have a problem.




I know at SIU, I can get charged with assault in Timbuktu and be expelled under the Student Conduct Code.

The bottom line is being an athelete isn't like other jobs where you punch a clock.

They get paid very well to play a game and part of that pay is being on the clock 24 hours as a representitive of the league and their team. If they dont like it they can go wash dishes.

This is what I have a problem with. If I get in a bar fight over the weekend but show up to work on Monday, why should my employer know or care? Now when my behavior starts affecting my work (i.e. missing days etc.) THEN my employer can and should have a problem.


Depending on who you work for and what you do. if you get in trouble with the law and get into the media because of it you can quite easily find yourself fired.

This is what I have a problem with. If I get in a bar fight over the weekend but show up to work on Monday, why should my employer know or care? Now when my behavior starts affecting my work (i.e. missing days etc.) THEN my employer can and should have a problem.

There are a lot of jobs where you would be fired for this, anything where your reputation is important.

I don't know guys. Jones should have definitely been more paranoid about what he should be doing, but all we have heard is that it is pretty minimal in what went down.

And to those, and there have been a few of you, who say getting in a police matter will get you suspended nowadays, I disagree.

ProFootballTalk.com - Police Blotter (http://www.profootballtalk.com/turd-watch/police-blotter/)

I clicked on a random one. Lawyer Milloy. DUI, which by a lot of peoples standards is a really big deal. I looked at his stats. He has played every game.

It doesnt matter how minimal it was. He was on a zero tolerance policy

This is what I have a problem with. If I get in a bar fight over the weekend but show up to work on Monday, why should my employer know or care? Now when my behavior starts affecting my work (i.e. missing days etc.) THEN my employer can and should have a problem.

If your employer told you not to go to the bar based on past fights and you still went, I am sure he will have a problem even if you showed up Monday morning.


Even if you want to make the case that Goodell is well within his right to suspend players for "police matters", how the fcck do you suspend someone before the courts have had their say? If a player is deemed innocent, you've already punished him for something a court said he didn't do. I happen to think Jones is a piece of shit human being, but for authoritarian Goodell to suspend him when the Cowboys chose not to is complete BS.

Question for the group: If this hadn't been all over ESPN the last few days do you think Goodell does anything?

See above. He may not have broken any legal laws, but he broke Goodell's rules. Suspension justified.

If your employer told you not to go to the bar based on past fights and you still went, I am sure he will have a problem even if you showed up Monday morning.

See above. He may not have broken any legal laws, but he broke Goodell's rules. Suspension justified.

So where's the line? Based on your arguments, Goodell should have the right to tell players that they can't <insert behavior="" here=""> [insert behavior] and it's OK. Let's say it turns out that in reality NOTHING happened here, it was just a disgruntled employee making shit up. What then?

Goodell's suspending players based on media coverage. And it's bullshit.</insert>

So where's the line? Based on your arguments, Goodell should have the right to tell players that they can't <insert behavior here> and it's OK. Let's say it turns out that in reality NOTHING happened here, it was just a disgruntled employee making shit up. What then?

Goodell's suspending players based on media coverage. And it's bullshit.

I agree to an extent, however Pacman is not just any player, he is a player thats had history and he shouldnt have put himself in that situation from the start.

This is what I have a problem with. If I get in a bar fight over the weekend but show up to work on Monday, why should my employer know or care? Now when my behavior starts affecting my work (i.e. missing days etc.) THEN my employer can and should have a problem.



Even if you want to make the case that Goodell is well within his right to suspend players for "police matters", how the fcck do you suspend someone before the courts have had their say? If a player is deemed innocent, you've already punished him for something a court said he didn't do. I happen to think Jones is a piece of shit human being, but for authoritarian Goodell to suspend him when the Cowboys chose not to is complete BS.

Question for the group: If this hadn't been all over ESPN the last few days do you think Goodell does anything?


First of all, if your employer told you that if you got into a bar fight over the weekend you would be fired, then, yes, I would expect you to be fired regardless of whether it affects your job performance.

Second, the thousands of people with any level of clearance or background investigation could be fired for such an incident. If you are detained by the police, but not arrested, and you have a security clearance, you are required to report it to your security officer. If you think athletes are the only ones affected by their out-of-the-job activities, you are wrong.

Regardless, Pacman (and the rest of the NFL) knows that if he gets in trouble with the police, he could be subject to suspension. I don't care if you don't think its right, that is the deal you got into when you signed on with the league.

So where's the line? Based on your arguments, Goodell should have the right to tell players that they can't <insert behavior="" here=""> [insert behavior] and it's OK. Let's say it turns out that in reality NOTHING happened here, it was just a disgruntled employee making shit up. What then?



Pacman would have had to agree to the terms of reinstratement. He doesn't have the same rules as any other player.

I haven't seen that Pacman has denied anything. He's probably had some kind of communication with the commissioner's office and who knows what he admitted too.

But the bottom line is the NFL is a private employer - they're not bound by criminal law as the standard for unacceptable employee behavior.

He could take it to the courts if he had a case - but I'm sure the terms of his reinstatement, including procedures for future disciplinary issues, were crystal clear.

Regardless, Pacman (and the rest of the NFL) knows that if he gets in trouble with the police, he could be subject to suspension. I don't care if you don't think its right, that is the deal you got into when you signed on with the league.

And normally, I'd have no problem with that. The issue I have is that each TEAM should be able to set their own policies. The Cowboys chose not to take any action against Jones. He's their player, let them deal with it.

If Goodell wants to take action against the Cowboys, he should be able to do THAT.

Going back to my bar fight, what Goodell is doing is the equivalent of saying, not only are you fired, you can't get another job in your field with anyone else either.

And normally, I'd have no problem with that. The issue I have is that each TEAM should be able to set their own policies. The Cowboys chose not to take any action against Jones. He's their player, let them deal with it.

If Goodell wants to take action against the Cowboys, he should be able to do THAT.

Going back to my bar fight, what Goodell is doing is the equivalent of saying, not only are you fired, you can't get another job in your field with anyone else either.

What do you think this is, a federalist state? Leagues fine players and coaches all the time. The teams are not separate entities with their own laws. Everyone plays under the NFL umbrella. You're comparing the teams to states or some other entity of a union. Are you saying that the executives at GM should not be allowed to fire someone that works in the Pontiac division? This is a business, and the teams don't exist without the NFL.

And, back to my example, you would not be employable by any federal agency or contractor requiring a security clearance. All the more reason that if you know something is a fire-able offense, you stay away from it.

And normally, I'd have no problem with that. The issue I have is that each TEAM should be able to set their own policies. The Cowboys chose not to take any action against Jones. He's their player, let them deal with it.

If Goodell wants to take action against the Cowboys, he should be able to do THAT.

Going back to my bar fight, what Goodell is doing is the equivalent of saying, not only are you fired, you can't get another job in your field with anyone else either.

Actually he couldnt get a job with the Premiere football league (NFL). Im sure he could go try out in the CFL or the arena league which would still be in his "field".

Now if anyone would want/take on his dumbass that would be a different story.

What do you think this is, a federalist state? Leagues fine players and coaches all the time. The teams are not separate entities with their own laws. Everyone plays under the NFL umbrella. You're comparing the teams to states or some other entity of a union. Are you saying that the executives at GM should not be allowed to fire someone that works in the Pontiac division? This is a business, and the teams don't exist without the NFL.


All the other league fine players/coaches for things that happen WHILE THEY ARE AT WORK. I've got NO PROBLEM with that and understand the relationship.

Actually he couldnt get a job with the Premiere football league (NFL). Im sure he could go try out in the CFL or the arena league which would still be in his "field".

Now if anyone would want/take on his dumbass that would be a different story.

I don't know about Arena, but the CFL honors NFL suspensions.

All the other league fine players/coaches for things that happen WHILE THEY ARE AT WORK. I've got NO PROBLEM with that and understand the relationship.

I am glad that when I counteract your point of non-NFL jobs you completely ignore it.

As for off the field infractions, the NFL lives and dies by its public image. It does not want to be viewed as the NBA often is, as a league full of thugs. The NFL wants its fans to concentrate on teams and on-the-field performance, not personalities and their off-the-field shenanigans. That is the way they have chosen to run their business, and everyone in the NFLPA has agreed to these regulations.

I don't know about Arena, but the CFL honors NFL suspensions.

I didnt know that. I thought Ricky Williams was suspended by the NFL but he played in the CFL a few seasons back?

I didnt know that. I thought Ricky Williams was suspended by the NFL but he played in the CFL a few seasons back?

The rule was enacted just before Vick's suspension.

All the other league fine players/coaches for things that happen WHILE THEY ARE AT WORK. I've got NO PROBLEM with that and understand the relationship.

I think the concept you dont get here is as an NFL player you are at work 24/7 as a representitive of the league and need to act accordingly.

I didnt know that. I thought Ricky Williams was suspended by the NFL but he played in the CFL a few seasons back?

I thought he "retired" because he knew he was going to get suspended.

Going back to my bar fight, what Goodell is doing is the equivalent of saying, not only are you fired, you can't get another job in your field with anyone else either.

Arena? CFL? There are other places within his "line of work".

Pacman is a moron who deserves what he gets. He brings this shit on himself instead of "Cowboying Up" and accepting the consequences of his actions.

Pac Man has gotten more shots then Lawerence Phillips did. Good riddance.

I think the concept you dont get here is as an NFL player you are at work 24/7 as a representitive of the league and need to act accordingly.

I get it. It's completely wrong, but I get it.

Here's the text from the NFLPA (http://www.nflplayers.com/user/template.aspx?fmid=181&lmid=336&pid=0&type=n). The italicized parts are what I have a problem with.

Any Covered Person arrested for or charged with conduct prohibited by this policy will be required to undergo an immediate, mandatory clinical evaluation and, if directed, appropriate counseling. Such evaluation and counseling must be performed under the direction and supervision of the NFL Vice President of Player and Employee Development. Failure to cooperate with evaluation and counseling (including being arrested for or charged with additional criminal activity during the evaluation and counseling period) shall itself be conduct detrimental to the National Football League and shall be punishable by fine or suspension at the discretion of the Commissioner.


Persons Convicted of Criminal Activity
Any Covered Person convicted of or admitting to a criminal violation (including a plea to a lesser included offense; a plea of nob contendere or no contest; or the acceptance of a diversionary program, deferred adjudication, disposition of supervision, or similar arrangement) will be subject to discipline as determined by the Commissioner. Such discipline may include a fine, suspension without pay and/or banishment from the League. Any Covered Person convicted of or admitting to a second criminal violation will be suspended without pay or banished for a period of time to be determined by the Commissioner.

I get it. It's completely wrong, but I get it.

Here's the text from the NFLPA (http://www.nflplayers.com/user/template.aspx?fmid=181&lmid=336&pid=0&type=n). The italicized parts are what I have a problem with.

Failure to cooperate with evaluation and counseling (including being arrested for or charged with additional criminal activity during the evaluation and counseling period) shall itself be conduct detrimental to the National Football League and shall be punishable by fine or suspension at the discretion of the Commissioner.



I'm curious what you have a problem with. Do you think playes should only be punished for events that result in criminal convictions? Or that players should not be punished for anything that happens off the field? Who exactly do you have a problem with - both parties agree (union and owners) to the rules, players agree to them when they sign a contract. Everyone agrees.

There are SO many jobs where you'd get fired for being a public embarassment to humanity. Really ANY job where you're ANY type of public figure - including teachers, journalists, lawyers, government employees, officers of corporations, etc.

Or if you're saying that Pacman is being punished for conduct beyond what's cited in the blurb, remember that this isn't the only thing that governs his "probation" period. He has individual rules with the commissioner with regards to his reinstatement. Again, everyone agreed to them. I don't see you can have two consenting parties and the mutual agreement be "wrong".

I get it. It's completely wrong, but I get it.

Here's the text from the NFLPA (http://www.nflplayers.com/user/template.aspx?fmid=181&lmid=336&pid=0&type=n). The italicized parts are what I have a problem with.

Any Covered Person arrested for or charged with conduct prohibited by this policy will be required to undergo an immediate, mandatory clinical evaluation and, if directed, appropriate counseling. Such evaluation and counseling must be performed under the direction and supervision of the NFL Vice President of Player and Employee Development. Failure to cooperate with evaluation and counseling (including being arrested for or charged with additional criminal activity during the evaluation and counseling period) shall itself be conduct detrimental to the National Football League and shall be punishable by fine or suspension at the discretion of the Commissioner.

Persons Convicted of Criminal Activity
Any Covered Person convicted of or admitting to a criminal violation (including a plea to a lesser included offense; a plea of nob contendere or no contest; or the acceptance of a diversionary program, deferred adjudication, disposition of supervision, or similar arrangement) will be subject to discipline as determined by the Commissioner. Such discipline may include a fine, suspension without pay and/or banishment from the League. Any Covered Person convicted of or admitting to a second criminal violation will be suspended without pay or banished for a period of time to be determined by the Commissioner.

If Pac Man admitted he was drinking, he admitted to a crime (a violation of his probabtion).

PHILLIPS THINKS PACMAN ERA IS OVER
Posted by Mike Florio on October 15, 2008, 6:24 p.m.

Cowboys coach Wade Phillips said on Wednesday that he doesn’t think cornerback Pacman Jones will return to the Cowboys, even after Jones is reinstated from his latest suspension.

“I can’t count on him coming back or us bringing him back or any of those other things,” Phillips said, according to Tim MacMahon of the Dallas Morning News.

“He’s gone. That’s what it looks like to me. I’m not saying what’s going to happen in the future, because I don’t know what’s going to happen in the future or what is or isn’t going to be done there. But I can’t go there. I’ve got to go with the players I have.”

From any other coach, these words would be a clear sign that the player truly is done. But we’re talking about the Cowboys, where the head coach is merely a glorified defensive coordinator with his pink slip awaiting the owner’s signature. So, basically, we don’t put much stock in anything Phillips says about Pacman.

Also from the NFLPA


# Persons Engaged in Violent Activity in the Workplace
# Every employee is entitled to a safe and professional workplace free of criminal behavior, violence and threats against personal safety. Criminal conduct in the workplace or against other employees is prohibited. Any Covered Person who commits or threatens violent acts against coworkers, regardless of whether an arrest is made or criminal charges are brought, shall be subject to evaluation, counseling and discipline, including termination of employment.


Packman's body guard was an employee of the Cowboys.
The NFL has every right to suspend him.

Hey everybody, Pacman's back! (or he will be after Thanksgiving)

ESPN - Dallas Cowboys CB Adam Jones reinstated by NFL ... again (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3713779)

Yeesh...

Don't worry. It won't be long until he screws up again. Some people just can't help themselves.

I heard he's having a reinstatement party at a strip club.

That article gives the impression that his bodyguards were not really to protect him from harm, but to keep him from acting like an idiot - more like babysitters. Which makes the original incident make a lot more sense to me.

don't have a link for you, but ESPN is reporting that the Cowboys have released him. No details just an update on their ticker

They just said something like "The Cowboys released Jones because they learned of a Vile crime he did while with the Titans"

The major point that foo is arguing against is that the league has the right to fire you for smudging their reputation. He thinks its wrong, and thats fine, he will probably never work for the NFL =)

however pacman DOES work for the NFL and is thus required to abide by the NFL rules and regulations and any further stipulations he has accrued based on prior performance.

Goodell is wel with his rights to suspend a player indefinitely if their actions wether proven true or false bring negative attention to what for all intents and purposes during his tenure is HIS league. He is the commissioner and within certain restrictions he IS god in the NFL.

DOH, I try catching up and posting just as MORE news comes out =)

make my statement above "DID FORMERLY WORK" LOL

Pacmans a fucking moron =)