I'm sitting here crying. And that's ridiculous in and of itself. But I don't see a way that it's not going to be over.

I'm an Assistant Manager with Starbucks, as some may remember. My last store I RAN for 8 months. Top to bottom. Got a CE (Consistently Exceeds, essentially the top mark) on my last review, etc.
Moved stores in November (to a new District Manager as well) to make room for a promotion in my old store (girl that I pushed and trained up and everything). And now in the last 3 months...I've been written up 4 times and I've gone from going to work early and staying late just to hang out and make sure things run smoothly to sitting in my car until 2 minutes before my shift/booking it right at the end of the day. So essentially I've gone from a CE to a NI (Needs Improvement, the worst rating) in 3 months, despite being ready for promotion (promotion-presentation done, just waiting on second interview). I'm sure my second interview won't happen now, especially with the writeups and the relationship (or lack thereof, the communication is non-existent unless i'm being written up) I have with this Store Manager.

I've bled and sweat for this company for 7 years (!!) from Barista to Assistant Manager. And then I get put into this store where I'm excluded and relegated to "glorified barista." So obviously I get demotivated, because I'm not invested in the store, I don't have any ownership of anything in the store.

I'm going to call my District Manager on Sunday afternoon and ask to talk to her on Monday (my next day off). Tell her she can essentially transfer me to a new store with a manager who isn't trying to manage me out (I've done it, I know what it looks like, and that's what's happening to me) as an Assistant Manager, or even as a Supervisor (then I could continue my going back to grad school plan), or she can take my 2 weeks notice.

3 months ago I had all the joy and love for this job in the world. I ate/slept/breathed Starbucks. And in the span of 3 months that's been completely killed. I feel completely detached from the company as a whole (have I mentioned I have received ZERO non-coverage time in the last 3 months. I havn't had a chance to read a promo workbook, or learn anything about the breakfast sandwiches which are rolling in two weeks, I still don't have a Voicemail password for this new store) and isolated under a Store Manager who it's clear to me is trying to get rid of me.

I'm going to appeal to my new District Manager to fix the situation, but I'm honestly not holding my breath. I feel like it may be the end of an era. I just don't understand how it got to this point, how I went from being the savior of my old store to sitting here crying and feeling forced out of the new store. Was it me? Was it all the situation I was placed in? Was it inevitable? Is it good? Is it bad? Where do I go from here until grad school?

I'm sorry to hear that. That sucks. I wish I had some good advice, but I don't. Just try to hang in there.

yeah. well i've long known that i was "underemployed" here (hell...ever since finishing school i've said that), but as long as the job was fun and i was enjoying myself it was okay, because the money was ALRIGHT. not good, but enough.

but now it's not even fun and i'm not enjoying myself. in fact it's making me cry and causing me stress and unhappiness in other areas of my life. and i've always said...the day that happens is the day i move on.

so unless (major doubts) I can get myself transferred to a new location, I guess I'll be moving on in one way or another.

Food service is a vindictive buisiness run by petty opportunistic mouthbreathers who most likely peaked in high school. This is not always the case, but it seems more often than not to apply. I feel for you, as I've been in some shitty underemployed situations where there's basically nothing you can do. Formulate a plan to escape, and doso whenever you can. Basically once you realize that "person x" is out to get you, you're fucked, and there is no coming back. Try to transfer if you still can, hopefully that can save your job.

Anyways, though, man, if you've gotten written up 4 times in the last couple of months, you still need to step your game up. They may be petty writeups and such, but the attention to detail will transfer to your next job, which hopefully you will like more.

so unless (major doubts) I can get myself transferred to a new location, I guess I'll be moving on in one way or another.

Can you get transferred? Are there really that many Starbucks around? I don't see alot of them... :D

Good luck talking to the manager. Personality conflicts are just the worse. Especially when you get a manager that just seems to have a bug up their ass...

When you talk to the district manager, you may want to stay away from an ultimatum. Unless she's dialed in to what's going on, then it will all probably be a suprise to her. If she's unwilling to help resolve the situation (unlikely) then you can walk, but at least do it without burning bridges.

Vote Starbucks

:)

Food service is a vindictive buisiness run by petty opportunistic mouthbreathers who most likely peaked in high school. This is not always the case, but it seems more often than not to apply. I feel for you, as I've been in some shitty underemployed situations where there's basically nothing you can do. Formulate a plan to escape, and doso whenever you can. Basically once you realize that "person x" is out to get you, you're fucked, and there is no coming back. Try to transfer if you still can, hopefully that can save your job.

Anyways, though, man, if you've gotten written up 4 times in the last couple of months, you still need to step your game up. They may be petty writeups and such, but the attention to detail will transfer to your next job, which hopefully you will like more.

well that's the thing. my game WAS stepped up. until i got into this situation and got massively demotivated and have felt "under the gun" the whole time. it's difficult when you can't communicate with your manager, especially as an assistant manager. And honestly a lot of it was TECHNICALLY justified (in fact all of it was) but it's the kind of mistakes I wouldn't make if I was motivated/invested in the store.

to whit:

1) Both of my alarm clocks failed to go off and I overslept by 30 minutes. Sure...my bad. Happens to everyone.
2) Said something I shouldn't have said. Okay...I take the blame for that too. Reason I said it...because I was not in "I'm a manager" mindset because I have no responsibility/ownership in the store.
3) Got a poor mystery shop. Which it's now policy to write people up for. Did I deserve it...technially yeah. Realistically...manager was sitting in the back with her thumb up her ass and I wasn't about to go and call her out onto the floor to help, because every minute I have to be around her is pure torture.
4) My drawer was short $40. Never mind that the $40 showed up today so it's obvious that I didn't steal it. Technically should I be written up for this...yeah. But realistically...if the money shows up, 99% of managers are going to go "Oh okay...it must have slipped into a crack and gotten lost." But not this one.

The crux of the problem is that she has just completely killed my desire to do the job because I feel (rightly or wrongly) that no matter what I do she'll find something to nit-pick me on. She's killed my "care."

Vote Grad School

Vote Grad School


I <3 you cronin. I really do. In a non-sexual type of way man.

Voting grad school is where it's at true, but I'd really like to hold onto this job until then strictly for the health insurance. But I guess there's other places to go to get that.

Hating your job sucks. You spend an enormous chunk of your life at work. Plan your escape. Just the planning will improve your mood.

IMHO having a job you love is critical to being happy - its not nice to think about it but realistically you spend as much waking time at work as you did with family and friends .... you need to enjoy it, if you're not move on.

IMHO having a job you love is critical to being happy - its not nice to think about it but realistically you spend as much waking time at work as you did with family and friends .... you need to enjoy it, if you're not move on.

got any openings over there at SI Towers Marc? :D

then again I suppose not being a coder limits my usefullness

Your kind of situation is exactly why there are HR departments.

If you do want to keep working at Starbucks, then I'd suggest the following:

- Painful as it will be, you need to have a heart-to-heart with your manager. Discuss all of your issues with her and why you feel your performance has suffered since you transferred to her store. I don't know if Starbucks has a policy of regular one-on-one meetings between managers and reports, and if so whether you've been having them with her, but you need to put everyone out there regarding your situation and your working relationship with her. Figure out if there's a way for you two to resolve your problems, and if not, ask if there's another store that you can transfer.

- I would presume that Starbucks is like most other modern corporations in how it handles employee reviews in that you also have the opportunity at the time of your review to provide anonymous feedback about your manager. If so, make sure you take advantage of this opportunity and list any issues you have with her performance. Don't be petty and don't be emotional about it, but do list the reasons why her style of management has helped turn you from someone getting consistent top ratings in your reviews to your current performance.

- Reiterate to your District Manager your request to transfer to another store if you can't work things out with your current manager. Given your past work history and reviews, it shouldn't take a rocket scientist to see that your transfer hasn't worked out, and that you have the capacity to be a top performer - just not in this current situation. Most companies have enough people in place that realize the importance of good employees and recognize how interpersonal relationships can affect performance - it would be a bit surprising to me if the District Manager didn't recognize that you have been a good employee in the past and wasn't amenable to placing you elsewhere if possible.

- You may also want to contact a Human Resources rep just to talk about your situation and what recourse you might have. That said, the reality is that if both your manager and District Manager don't appreciate you and don't care about your career, your only realistic option is to ask to transfer to a region under a different District Manager or to ask to be laid off.

thanks Dawgfan. Yeah, that's exactly the situation I'm in. Honestly I am waiting on HR to call me (because of the comment that I stupidly made) so I will hopefully end up with the HR lady that I know (and who likes me) talking to her soon about that situation and my situation in general. The District Manager I have known for the last 7 years, so hopefully she is able to see things from my point of view and understand that with my history it's obviously not that my work ethic has slipped but just that I'm in a situation that is destoying my "care."





As for the heart-to-heart with the current manager...that's where I get tripped up. I don't like confrontation, especially with her, as she tends to yell at me and go "LET ME TALK!" when I try to explain things to her when she's correcting me. So I don't anticipate that happening, at least not without the district manager present to...mediate.

I got written up the other day for my 3rd late, company policy, whatever. Except this time I notified them ahead of time that I was running a few minutes behind(had to stay till the hour at my other job), and would be there at 10 after the hour. I figure no biggie. Of course, I walk into the office and there is a writeup sitting on the desk. The next time I am going to have to be late, I'll call and tell them I'm going to be about 3 hours late, and go take a nap.....same penalty basically.

I got written up the other day for my 3rd late, company policy, whatever. Except this time I notified them ahead of time that I was running a few minutes behind(had to stay till the hour at my other job), and would be there at 10 after the hour. I figure no biggie. Of course, I walk into the office and there is a writeup sitting on the desk. The next time I am going to have to be late, I'll call and tell them I'm going to be about 3 hours late, and go take a nap.....same penalty basically.

true that. might as well.

I don't like confrontation, especially with her, as she tends to yell at me and go "LET ME TALK!" when I try to explain things to her when she's correcting me.

Does she actually yell at you?

Does she actually yell at you?

more or less yeah. I dunno if i'd say YELL, but it definately falls under the category of "RAISED VOICE."

ie

her: "blah blah blah...bl-"
me: "I know but"
her: "LET ME TALK! PLEASE!"

dola

and i know that's uncool, and that's on the list of things i'll bring up with the district manager. i do blame myself too though, i don't exactly open myself up to criticism from people that i feel don't know as much as me.

I'd try to take the detail skills you have obtained, and move onto some sort of commission paying job. Most likely you will make a ton more money than you do now, and you will have an extremely vested interest in the products you sell....basically get paid for knowledge you obtain.

At Barnes & Noble there is (I'm assuming it's still in place) a system set up so that employees can call an 800 number and register complaints. You had to give your name and such, but the person you were complaining about never found out who was making the complaints. They just got the gist of the complaint from the district manager. I don't know if anything would come because of something like that, but at least there would be a record of your complaints. Does Starbucks have something like that?

At Barnes & Noble there is (I'm assuming it's still in place) a system set up so that employees can call an 800 number and register complaints. You had to give your name and such, but the person you were complaining about never found out who was making the complaints. They just got the gist of the complaint from the district manager. I don't know if anything would come because of something like that, but at least there would be a record of your complaints. Does Starbucks have something like that?

yeah we do. that's an idea too, although i've definately heard that it is kinda hit-or-miss

yeah we do. that's an idea too, although i've definately heard that it is kinda hit-or-miss

Same with BN, but at least you would have a record of complaints so the district manager (or whomever) wouldn't be caught completely off-guard that there were problems with the store.

This story is exactly the same thing my sister is going through right now with Starbucks. It seems like a job you can totally love if you have a good store manager, but when you have a crappy one they can make your life miserable. My sis has worked for 5 years with Starbucks, 4 at one store where she worked her way up from the bottom to assistant manager, and now 1 year in misery at her new store as an assistant manager. She's basically decided the same thing as you have DT, "Give me a transfer or else" because she's sick of it.

I think I would have contacted the DM after the 2nd write-up if not after the first

I think I would have contacted the DM after the 2nd write-up if not after the first

well the problem Kev is that the first two are legit if a bit heavy-handed. The third is more discretionary, but the 4th is pretty much total BS.

pennywise...give her my AIM SN if she wants to commiserate with someone else who's been there a long time and is feeling the same thing (you can find it off my profile, but it's the same as my forum handle)

http://www.bu.edu/apply/graduate/

The first one is BS. If you are 30 minutes late 1 time it should not be a written warning. It should be a, "what happened?" .... "Oh ok, let's not have that happen again."

It sounds to me by the 2nd write up you were already hating the job so you should have asked for a transfer then

http://www.bu.edu/apply/graduate/

BU's strengths aren't necessarily in history though cronin :D

believe me, i have a whole list of bookmarks of programs. i'm in the whittling-down process, I will post them all either on Sunday or Monday or something next week.

And I still need a job to provide benefits of some sort until I get into grad school and actually start so their health insurance picks me up. especially if i go the classics route and i hafta take a year or whatever to learn me some languages (which is why American history is appealing, although wayyyyy more overpopulated)

The first one is BS. If you are 30 minutes late 1 time it should not be a written warning. It should be a, "what happened?" .... "Oh ok, let's not have that happen again."

It sounds to me by the 2nd write up you were already hating the job so you should have asked for a transfer then

true that.

then again the 2nd writeup was umm...New Year's Day. So I havn't exactly had a lot of time to dwell on things. And then the 3rd and 4th were BOTH today. Which really just...sealed the deal. I've done the whole "i'm creating a paper trail so i can get rid of someone" game. I know what it looks like. And that's what this looks like. Although she doesn't have the authority to terminate me at least.

http://www.classics.unc.edu/

http://www.classics.unc.edu/


hehe. they're on the list. but IIRC their foreign-language requirement is intense. it's like "please be fluent in either latin or ancient greek before applying and be working on the other."

or maybe that was another 'tobacco-row-ish" school.

hehe

http://socialthought.uchicago.edu/

cronin r0x! lol

http://www.umich.edu/~classics/

You guys are two weeks away from getting the breakfast sandwiches? They've been in this area for months.

EDIT: Do Starbucks employees get pissed when people like me refuse to say those stupid size names?

EDIT: Do Starbucks employees get pissed when people like me refuse to say those stupid size names?


nope. i honestly couldn't care less. as long as you can effectively communicate to me what it is you want so i can get it started for you.

and don't think they're trying to correct you when the repeat it with the stupid-name, it's just a matter of "that's what the ear is trained to pickup"

http://www.umich.edu/~classics/ (http://www.umich.edu/%7Eclassics/)

haha. i am seriously looking at UM. both of my parents went there for grad school work. My dad is actually ABD from there, by like...1 chapter. so it would be amusing. they're high on the list.

haha. i am seriously looking at UM. both of my parents went there for grad school work. My dad is actually ABD from there, by like...1 chapter. so it would be amusing. they're high on the list.

That looks like a very well constructed program, but I don't actually know anybody from there. The other ones I posted, I have had professors from those programs.

And then, of course, there's this place, where it seems like everybody in my family has gone:

http://www.yale.edu/bulletin/html/grad/clss.html

well i could talk to a family friend who may still have connections at UM and see. but yeah, the construction of the program there looked...impressive. and it's still getting off the ground which = hungary.

as for the others, good to know they're not totally at random. hehe

well...the wheels are in motion...the balls are in play. I called my district manager and left her a message requesting a sit-down sometime on weds or thurs. no turning back now (yay but a slightly naseous yay)

You guys are two weeks away from getting the breakfast sandwiches? They've been in this area for months.

EDIT: Do Starbucks employees get pissed when people like me refuse to say those stupid size names?

That's a Tall problem, overall.

I'm really confused - why would you be nervous about this? It's not like they're going to fire you on the spot. And, even if they do, so what?

As someone who spent many years in a corporate management track, you honestly have a 50/50 shot at this.

Im sure you already know that. Whenever personnel situations arise to this level, it is going to go down 1 of 2 ways (90% of the time). If your Dm doesn't value you, or is really fond of the SM, its goodbye time. If your DM values you and sees areas of weakness in your SM, you will get your wish, whether it is a transfer or your SM will be removed depending on bench strength. (if they have an acceptable replacement she is gone)

However if that happens, it is not necessarily good for you. You now have the label as a Mcbeth that climbs the ladder by execution. Which will get forwarded to your new store manager (or DM if you get the promotion) at which point every move will be analyzed to see if you are trying to provoke or set them up, once there is a conflict, well now you have been unable to get along with your last 2 bosses and you obviously have a problem with authority. It sucks, its a viscious cycle.

Reallly in my experience (which I managed 7 division managers each with 10-30 employees under them). Once conflicts rose to this level, I immediately found an exit strategy for the subordinate (regardless of fault) and also evaluated the manager, if the manager was at fault I replaced both.

It wasn't "right" per se, but it avoided all the other BS that came with keeping a boss killer (whether perceived or real) around.

So I'm sorry, for the grim macro management outlook, but I would start looking for another job. Of course this whole process may take 2-4 years to play out so if that is all the time you need, then maybe you can hang on. But I would have serious reservations before making any career plans around this company.

I'm really confused - why would you be nervous about this? It's not like they're going to fire you on the spot. And, even if they do, so what?

not that kind of nervous. more like the "here comes a unpleasant situation" type nervous. cuz whatever way it plays out its not going to be FUN.

and cu tiger...I am aware of that. but the alternative was letting this boss manage me out. which wasn't okay either. and I have several backup plans in place, including grad school.

Torgo,
Don't misunderstand, you abolutely did the right thing.

Re-reading my psot it didn't come off exactly as I planned, not a slam on you just more or less saying I feel for you and it is a shitty situation.

I <3 you cronin. I really do. In a non-sexual type of way man.

Voting grad school is where it's at true, but I'd really like to hold onto this job until then strictly for the health insurance. But I guess there's other places to go to get that.

In MA, if you're a fulltime student by law you must have health insurance, and your school has to offer insurance to you.

not that kind of nervous. more like the "here comes a unpleasant situation" type nervous. cuz whatever way it plays out its not going to be FUN.


Well, I can understand that.

...
However if that happens, it is not necessarily good for you. You now have the label as a Mcbeth that climbs the ladder by execution. Which will get forwarded to your new store manager (or DM if you get the promotion) at which point every move will be analyzed to see if you are trying to provoke or set them up, once there is a conflict, well now you have been unable to get along with your last 2 bosses and you obviously have a problem with authority. It sucks, its a viscious cycle...

Absolutely agree with this 100%. I had a situation, not exactly the same, but close enough & I actually took the opposite approach...meaning I just hung in there & kept trying to do my job & stay motivated enough to not get fired, rather than request a meeting with my DM, or higher to explain how unhappy I was. It went horribly...I hated my job...I did things that were completely beneath my abilities...but couldnt justify quitting to myself until (long story short), I was asked to take a drug test for something which happened outside of work(not drug related, and I wasnt arrested).

Well, of course I would have passed it, as I wasnt into drugs (outside of a few drinks)...but the thought of not taking the test (it was put to me "Go take the drug test, or dont come back, per DM orders") actually appealed to me!! To CU Tiger's point...I knew that no matter what, from that day forward, I would be "that guy" to everybody above me in the district. The thought of being stuck at my current status/location made me physically sick...so I talked with my Co-Location manager(he was the 2nd man of the store, I was 3rd along with a few others in my location) who I actually liked, but also knowing that he actually has a stigma similar to what I feared for myself. So I told him I'm leaving, and not going to take the test.

Yes, plenty of my former coworkers that didnt know me too well might have thought I didnt go because I'd have failed, etc. But it didnt matter to me...the feeling of freedom from that nonsense was worth it.

I knew I belonged in a more technical environment anyway, where my real talents would trump petty politics(in most cases) & allow me to thrive...and I've absolutely not looked back since.

Your situation might be different than mine...and you might actually be happier with your current job than I was...but I figured I'd give you a different perspective on what "can" happen, if you did the opposite. But you may have already surmised as much.

Food service is a vindictive buisiness run by petty opportunistic mouthbreathers who most likely peaked in high school.

I've always been a fan of the use of the term "mouthbreather" :)

SI

I've always been a fan of the use of the term "mouthbreather" :)

SI

There's a great song by Jesus Lizard called Mouthbreather.

amusing update.

I do believe I own my boss. She just served alcohol...to a minor...while he was on the clock.

SWEEET

amusing update.

I do believe I own my boss. She just served alcohol...to a minor...while he was on the clock.

SWEEET

Wow. Did you pull out your cellphone camera?

Wow. Did you pull out your cellphone camera?

got the champagne in the fridge at work (with work stuff all around) but couldn't get it on the table. however i do have 2 coworkers who will speak to it.

got the champagne in the fridge at work (with work stuff all around) but couldn't get it on the table. however i do have 2 coworkers who will speak to it.

I sound like an old man.. it's called a "cameraphone"

got the champagne in the fridge at work (with work stuff all around) but couldn't get it on the table. however i do have 2 coworkers who will speak to it.

Wait, I'm confused. You guys are allowed to have alcohol at work?

And then, of course, there's this place, where it seems like everybody in my family has gone:

http://www.yale.edu/bulletin/html/grad/clss.html

*hisses*

*waves his Princeton flag*

dola,

You know I'm voting grad school, DT. :)

Wait, I'm confused. You guys are allowed to have alcohol at work?

nope. it's expressely forbidden. which is why i plan on being the snitch.

dola

and today i broke the grad-school idea to the parents btw izulde+cronin. they seemed to be fans of the idea, while cautioning me that "i need to change and grow" before i go (i'm VERY risk-averse and anti-social)

dola

and today i broke the grad-school idea to the parents btw izulde+cronin. they seemed to be fans of the idea, while cautioning me that "i need to change and grow" before i go (i'm VERY risk-averse and anti-social)

Yeah, this is going to sound like a cliche, but I'd wager a lot of the top programs are pretty large universities, so you'd definitely need to find ways to make the campus smaller and get outside and do something besides study and/or write once in a while. :)

dola

and today i broke the grad-school idea to the parents btw izulde+cronin. they seemed to be fans of the idea, while cautioning me that "i need to change and grow" before i go (i'm VERY risk-averse and anti-social)

I'm both of those things as well. There's a great quote from a movie I forgot, where a guy says something like "I'm shy." And the response is, "shy? You're not shy." 1st guy then says: "Oh yes, I am. But I overcome it."

well my convo with the district manager went good. after my convo with the HR lady yesterday though it's apparent the way things are headed, and that is that even if I keep my job my promotion won't happen for way too long. so I told her i'd save her the work of an investigation and my district manager would have my notice on monday AM. as everyone always says though...better of for it in the long run. but after 7 years it feels almost like say...a divorce. so it's tough to really believe in the moment that it's for the best

http://ls.berkeley.edu/stepbystep/

exactly cronin. makes that whole thing much much more likely

fyi, berkeley has a famous "crash course" in classical languages, latin, greek and possibly some others. I think it's a summer session, but I'm not sure. It's supposedly excellent.

fyi, berkeley has a famous "crash course" in classical languages, latin, greek and possibly some others. I think it's a summer session, but I'm not sure. It's supposedly excellent.

woot woot!

well...giving my notice in an hour and a half. lil bit nervous, I guess because after so long it feels almost like I guess a divorce would feel. but then again I don't really have a choice I guess, so I might as well embrace it.

letter is all typed and sealed up, so i don't even really have to say anything, just hand it over.

Good luck.

thanks JE. I know it needs to be done and all, but it still saddens me. And some of it's my fault and some of it isn't, but *shrug*. Then again, I feel slightly stupid for feeling so loyal to a company that obviously couldn't give a rat's ass about me personally.

Good luck.:confused:

aaaah. it's done. went quite well...i was assured that i'm leaving on good terms and if i wish to come back i'll be welcome. they're even offering to let me stick around on a PT baasis. although I don't want that, it was at least nice to hear.

went very well. and i just feel...much better

*cough*

and THAT boys and girls is why we don't fuck with daddytorgo.

just heard today that my ex-manager is now out looking for work. yw

*cough*

and THAT boys and girls is why we don't fuck with daddytorgo.

just heard today that my ex-manager is now out looking for work. yw

As a result of stuff with you? Would you consider trying to go back?

As a result of stuff with you? Would you consider trying to go back?

well as a result of me narc-ing on her.

Nahh. honestly...i need to find something that's not retail. Something 8-5...9-5...something "normal" where I am using my education more

retail is teh suck,
My wife was in it for years and made it to a DM position.
We never realized how much we missed due to her schedule until I "made" her quit.

Quality of life up 1000%.

retail is teh suck,
My wife was in it for years and made it to a DM position.
We never realized how much we missed due to her schedule until I "made" her quit.

Quality of life up 1000%.

yeah. Realistically I wouldn't even be able to get into a DM position for another 3-4 years. And I've done everything below that. It just wasn't worth the time to get to that point, when the responsibility still far outstrips the pay.

i'm done with that.

*cough*

and THAT boys and girls is why we don't fuck with daddytorgo.

just heard today that my ex-manager is now out looking for work. yw


Hahahaha, that's freaking hilarious... in yo face lady!

relax, subby

Seriously - you don't have the fucking balls to have a sit down heart-to-heart with your manager, so you resolve the situation by snitching on her and then quitting. And now you get some ridiculous hollow revenge.

Pathetic. I am sure you think you won here and maybe that situation was what you needed to get you moving toward grad school, but hopefully one day you will grow up and man up and realize how ridiculously child-like you acted.

Best of luck to you.

Seriously - you don't have the fucking balls to have a sit down heart-to-heart with your manager, so you resolve the situation by snitching on her and then quitting. And now you get some ridiculous hollow revenge.

Pathetic. I am sure you think you won here and maybe that situation was what you needed to get you moving toward grad school, but hopefully one day you will grow up and man up and realize how ridiculously child-like you acted.

Best of luck to you.

child-like? because she did something illegal that could land her in court and I felt (and the company agreed incidentally) that she was a liability and they certainly shouldn't give her anymore responsibility and should take some away?

yeah. That's not called child-like. That's called "don't break the law while you're on the clock."

then again, what would I really expect from subby?

edit: I don't blame you though subby. If you were just clicking on this thread for the first time you might not read through it all and realize that the reason that I was venting and upset with her had nothing to do with the illegal activity that she actually partook in in order to get herself fired.

and don't feel bad for the lady. Her fiance owns a string of car dealerships. She has a black AmEx card. She'll be alright.

Seriously - you don't have the fucking balls to have a sit down heart-to-heart with your manager, so you resolve the situation by snitching on her and then quitting. And now you get some ridiculous hollow revenge.

Pathetic. I am sure you think you won here and maybe that situation was what you needed to get you moving toward grad school, but hopefully one day you will grow up and man up and realize how ridiculously child-like you acted.

Best of luck to you.

uncalled for IMO

and don't feel bad for the lady. Her fiance owns a string of car dealerships. She has a black AmEx card. She'll be alright.http://content.ytmnd.com/content/7/5/d/75d1fcb950d7366db8da0327160a9f6f.gif

I hope you can see that my post is well-meaning.

I hope you can see that my post is well-meaning.

Telling someone they don't have balls is well meaning?


Telling them they need to be a man and grow up is well meaning?

now it's time for some witty Subby comment...:rolleyes:

I think the root of what Subby is getting at is that DaddyTorgo (admittedly) didn't want to have to confront his ex-manager about any of these issues. To the extent that this constitutes Subby's beef with DaddyTorgo, I agree - I think that DaddyTorgo should've at least made an attempt to sit down with his manager and express his issues with her directly before going above her to the district manager and HR.

As someone who's been dicked by a crappy manager, some don't deserve and aren't worth confronting.

I would have just about killed for some "hollow" revenge on that asshole boss I had.

I agree with Subby, though I perhaps wouldn't have said it so abruptly.

Grassing somebody to the higher ups to get revenge is low (how old was the minor anyway?) but gloating about them losing their job is lower.

amusing update.

I do believe I own my boss. She just served alcohol...to a minor...while he was on the clock.

SWEEET

I think this post can pretty much be considered the "trigger" for Subby's reaction.