Tomorrow evening is the NBA Draft, and I, for one, am excited. The reasons being that my home team, the Golden State Warriors, are one or two smart moves away from being a really good team for the first time in a decade. Secondly, my favorite college player of all time is going to be drafted--Salim Stoudamire.

The Warriors get the 9th pick, and I'm thinking this kid Vazquez out of Spain, Ike Diogu out of ASU, or Sean May out of North Carolina. Really, just any big man who is NBA-ready and can score a little bit. Of course, I am then hoping Stoudamire is still around for the second-round choice. I don't know if he'll ever become a star in the NBA, but whatever team gets him will have, at the very least, a shot in the arm off of the bench. Lastly, I hope the Warriors trade either Dunleavy or Pietrus for some more front court help. I do not envy Chris Mullin here, as I have no idea which player I'd rather give up.

Bogut is going number 1, and he's not going to be a stiff like some people believe. When was the last time a white guy was taken with the first pick?

What do you hope your team does?

What do you hope your team does?

Move to a different city?

Move to a different city?


No love for the Hawks, huh? Maybe we can go back to the "glory days" of Mookie, Augmon, and Steve Smith :)

I don't really have a favourite NBA team. Closest that would come to being a favourite is the Celtics. And of course, there's a girl involved in that. ;)

That being said, I'll be hacked if the hometown Bucks (well okay I'm 30-45 minutes away from Milwaukee.. close enough) don't take Bogut. Williams is an overrated SOC.

Tomorrow evening is the NBA Draft, and I, for one, am excited. The reasons being that my home team, the Golden State Warriors, are one or two smart moves away from being a really good team for the first time in a decade. Secondly, my favorite college player of all time is going to be drafted--Salim Stoudamire.

The Warriors get the 9th pick, and I'm thinking this kid Vazquez out of Spain, Ike Diogu out of ASU, or Sean May out of North Carolina. Really, just any big man who is NBA-ready and can score a little bit. Of course, I am then hoping Stoudamire is still around for the second-round choice. I don't know if he'll ever become a star in the NBA, but whatever team gets him will have, at the very least, a shot in the arm off of the bench. Lastly, I hope the Warriors trade either Dunleavy or Pietrus for some more front court help. I do not envy Chris Mullin here, as I have no idea which player I'd rather give up.

Bogut is going number 1, and he's not going to be a stiff like some people believe. When was the last time a white guy was taken with the first pick?

What do you hope your team does?


I've heard Bogut has gained 25 lbs. as of late.

I don't really have a favourite NBA team. Closest that would come to being a favourite is the Celtics. And of course, there's a girl involved in that. ;)

That being said, I'll be hacked if the hometown Bucks (well okay I'm 30-45 minutes away from Milwaukee.. close enough) don't take Bogut. Williams is an overrated SOC.

Bucks are screwed. The best player in this draft is going to be one of the point guards, either Paul or the North Carolina kid. Bogut and Williams are both overrated. It's a terrible year to have the #1 pick.

I've heard Bogut has gained 25 lbs. as of late.


If it's not all fat, then that's a good thing.

Bucks are screwed. The best player in this draft is going to be one of the point guards, either Paul or the North Carolina kid. Bogut and Williams are both overrated. It's a terrible year to have the #1 pick.

I agree Paul looks pretty good, but the Bucks really need a frontcourt guy. Bogut's the best option, I think, given that scenario.

Or hell, the Bucks could pull a shocker and trade down, grab Paul anyway because of the T.J. Ford concerns, picking up some extra picks along the way or something.

Granted, it'll probably be Bogut, but it's a nice scenario to picture.

I am keeping a close eye on where Deron Williams falls. I have heard as of late he might go as high as #2 even. Apparently he's had some outstanding workouts and has lost a lot of the babyfat that he has had throughout his college career.

I'm not sold-sold on him as a pro PG exactly but still hope and root for the guy who went to my hometown state college.

Bucks are screwed. The best player in this draft is going to be one of the point guards, either Paul or the North Carolina kid. Bogut and Williams are both overrated. It's a terrible year to have the #1 pick.

I agree. I was actively hoping the Hornets wouldn't win the lottery, though I really wanted the 2 or 3 pick. Now I'm hoping Paul somehow drops to 4 since Portland seems enamored with the top high school kids. My fantasy draft scenario is Paul lasting to #4 for the Hornets. Then we hope Toronto is dumb enough to send us the 7th pick for Magliore, then we pick Granger. Then we pick Turiaf at the beginning of the second round. That gives us a hell of a nucleus.

What will probably happen is that we grab Deron Williams at 4 and no deal with Toronto. Williams is a nice player but not a star. Damn. We went 18-64 to pick FOURTH?

I'm hoping the Knicks do something smart. Anything smart.

I'm torn on Channing Frye / Andrew Bynum at #8, and then at #30 going after another center, and hoping to pick up a nice defensive swingman, or backup point in the 2nd round... Also heard a rumor about possibly getting Gasol which I wouldn't mind...

I'm hoping the Knicks do something smart. Anything smart.

I'm torn on Channing Frye / Andrew Bynum at #8, and then at #30 going after another center, and hoping to pick up a nice defensive swingman, or backup point in the 2nd round... Also heard a rumor about possibly getting Gasol which I wouldn't mind...

I say they end up drafting another guard.

:)

I hope my team drafts someone good

Wizards don't have a first rounder. I just hope that they re-sign Larry Hughes. We need some consistency around here.

Detroit
Ben Wallace
Rasheed Wallace
Richard Hamilton

All 3 former first rounders for the Wiz. God damn Wes Unseld!!!!

Actually, I'm pretty sure Ben went undrafted out of Virginia Union.

Plus, MJ was the one who really wasn't sold on Hamilton as a player.

you are right about Ben. I guess I was thinking about how we traded him away to make thre numbers work.

I want Diogu in Minnesota. We've never had a real force inside.

I want Diogu in Minnesota. We've never had a real force inside.

Not impressed with the Kandi Man I see :p

you are right about Ben. I guess I was thinking about how we traded him away to make thre numbers work.

Wasn't Ben Wallace part of that scrappy #8 seed Magic team? Before he was traded to Detroit along with a plethora of players for Grant Hill.

I believe you are right, Neon. That move single-handedly re-established Detroit as a winner (tho, no one knew it at the time). Conversly, that was one of the worst moves in Orlando's brief history (second only to losing Shaq). Orlando took a gamble that Hill would return fully healthy that season, and boy were they wrong. Gotta love the beauty of the NBA and those guaranteed contracts!

Back onto topic: I'm not sure who I'd like the Pistons to grab. Personally, I hope we get someone that can actually create their own shot, since we don't have too many guys like that.

I agree. I was actively hoping the Hornets wouldn't win the lottery, though I really wanted the 2 or 3 pick. Now I'm hoping Paul somehow drops to 4 since Portland seems enamored with the top high school kids. My fantasy draft scenario is Paul lasting to #4 for the Hornets. Then we hope Toronto is dumb enough to send us the 7th pick for Magliore, then we pick Granger. Then we pick Turiaf at the beginning of the second round. That gives us a hell of a nucleus.

What will probably happen is that we grab Deron Williams at 4 and no deal with Toronto. Williams is a nice player but not a star. Damn. We went 18-64 to pick FOURTH?

I'd be happy to get Magloire for one of the 1st rounders.

I am hoping the Pistons can get Julius Hodge with their first 2nd round pick (#50), but he'll probably be gone. With the 26th pick, I really want Martynas Andriuskevicius. I think he has a chance to be special (as I also think Darko still will be).

I think he has a chance to be special (as I also think Darko still will be).
Are you basing this off of the one game he started and played well (Atlanta)? I guess you must not be basing it off of all the other games he plays 1 minute and contributes nothing. Personally, I think Darko will become a solid player (around 8-10ppg, 5-7rpg) somewhere down the line, but I definitely do not share the opinion he will be "special."

I would watch it if Pittsnogle had not decided to come back to WVU. Now I don't care.

Are you basing this off of the one game he started and played well (Atlanta)? I guess you must not be basing it off of all the other games he plays 1 minute and contributes nothing. Personally, I think Darko will become a solid player (around 8-10ppg, 5-7rpg) somewhere down the line, but I definitely do not share the opinion he will be "special."

I trust Joe Dumars judgement in this, and Joe is determined to keep him and see him develop. Not only that, but many GMs in the NBA still consider him be a huge prospect (this is according to Chad Ford). Given some actual steady playing-time, I think his talent will develop. We'll just have to see.

I'd be happy to get Magloire for one of the 1st rounders.

Really? The 7th? I think Magliore is pretty average and fairly clutzy, although since there are so few decent centers, I realize he's more valuable than he should be. But I'm afraid he's going to become a malcontent and we'll have to trade him for nothing in a year, like what happened with Baron Davis.

He'd be happy in Toronto and I think we'd be okay building around a Paul/Smith/Granger nucleus and playing a year without a real center. We're not going to the playoffs next year anyway. I hope something gets done.

I agree with you Schmidty that he is talented, but after watching the kid play the past two years, I just don't see the heart. Perhaps that will come as he matures, but I personally have never seen him bring any intensity to the game. When he plays, it always seems like he is in a daze and is indifferent towards everything going on around him. Maybe his mindset has been damaged from being a permenant fixture on the bench, but if he really wants to play (instead of just whining about it to the newspaper) he should go out and hustle.

Who knows, maybe you're right about him being special. I really hope so. I'd hate to see it as a wasted pick. So here's hoping he tears it up in the summer league.

I would like the Heat to pick up a big man preferably a power forward that could replace the combo of Laettner/Doleac. This pick is probably going to ride the pine for a year anyway similar to the way Dorell Wright did this year but could be the third/fourth option a couple years down the road.

On a side note, I am intrigued with if and where Salim Stoudamire and Travis Diener are drafted.

Darko is still only 20 years old. Assuming he was entering this years draft, he would still likely be the #1 selection.

Rumors have the jazz trading with the blazers for #3 overall to get into the position for Deron Williams.

Speaking of rumors, my favorite so far has been Rasheed and Darko to the T-Wolves for Garnett. Won't happen, but I'd pull the trigger on that one in a second.

Sean May was not considered a first rounder until the tournament. And he has apparently been having some bad workouts. He seems like a good guy, and I hope he does well, but I would be very nervous if my team drafted him in the lottery. He is too small to play NBA center, but too slow to guard NBA small forwards--and even a lot of the athletic power forwards in the league.

Again, I hope he does well, but I would not count on him to shore up any ailing frontcourts.

We went 18-64 to pick FOURTH?

But, really, would the Hornets be in better position picking any earlier?

They need a PG desperately. The #3 and #4 players in the draft are PG's. What is the problem?

But, really, would the Hornets be in better position picking any earlier?

They need a PG desperately. The #3 and #4 players in the draft are PG's. What is the problem?

Well, from my perspective I like Paul a lot more than Williams. If we come out of the first round with just Deron Williams, I'll be somewhat disappointed.

I would watch it if Pittsnogle had not decided to come back to WVU. Now I don't care.

You'd have wasted your time because he wasn't going to be drafted...

Darko is still only 20 years old. Assuming he was entering this years draft, he would still likely be the #1 selection.

This is a joke, right? You can't possibly be serious?

Well, from my perspective I like Paul a lot more than Williams. If we come out of the first round with just Deron Williams, I'll be somewhat disappointed.

Just finished hearing Chad Ford say that he thinks Utah will trade to #3 and take Williams, so there is still hope. Of course, he also mentioned that Atlanta could take Paul at #2.

I don't see Darko as turning out to be an exceptional player. I think Dumars's hard-on for him is sorely misguided.

On an unrelated note, living about a half-hour away from Marquette, I'd also like to see where Diener gets drafted, if at all. He's been having a good offseason in workouts and the like, so he'll probably go somewhere in the second.

Really? The 7th? I think Magliore is pretty average and fairly clutzy, although since there are so few decent centers, I realize he's more valuable than he should be. But I'm afraid he's going to become a malcontent and we'll have to trade him for nothing in a year, like what happened with Baron Davis.

He'd be happy in Toronto and I think we'd be okay building around a Paul/Smith/Granger nucleus and playing a year without a real center. We're not going to the playoffs next year anyway. I hope something gets done.

Yeah, I just want them to get a center than can do SOMETHING. Bosh would be nice as the PF alongside Magloire. And the fact that he's from there and WANTS to play for Toronto is a plus too. Last time the Raptors passed on a Canadian was Steve Nash...... do I wish they traded for him back then.....

I'll follow it as i have heard today in the news that the Spanish guy is going to be drafted in the first round. Damn why all our players are as ugly?

I'm just praying that the Hawks don't get any Tar Heels.

I think May will suprise some of you guys, he has the best hands of any big man in the draft and I think if he can continue to improve his conditioning he'll be a very good power forward in the NBA, a double double guy easily. He won't be guarding small forwards, or play center, he's a PF.

McCants got invited to the green room... has someone made a promise to take him in the top 20 or is this the NBA's idea of a (admittedly funny, but cruel) joke... take a kid with a lot of problems, put him in the green room and watch him fall to 25 and just watch his facial expressions every pick?


Also, Schmidty, I saw your comment on Julius Hodge at #50... the latest mock drafts have him going as high as #20, and almost certainly in the first round now.

If I'm a fan of an NBA team, it's the Bobcats, but really, I don't care too much about the NBA. I would love to see the Bobcats end up with Felton at 13 if he falls that far, or to trade up w/ the Hawks for Marvin Williams. One of them on my favorite team might have me a little interested in the NBA.

Magloire will be coming to Toronto in 2 years....for free.....so if i was Badcock i'd keep the 2 picks and try to haul in Felton.

Magloire will be coming to Toronto in 2 years....for free.....so if i was Badcock i'd keep the 2 picks and try to haul in Felton.

I just want to see the Raptors do something that will make me want to watch them play. I think they suck right now, and don't enjoy watching them play. They're coming here for a pre-season game against Portland on October 24th, and I want a reason to see them other than that they're an NBA team. :)

This is a joke, right? You can't possibly be serious?

Yes, im serious. He was drafted at 18, assuming he played in europe for the last 2 years there is no reason why he still wouldnt be regarded as a top prospect in the draft.

I'm just praying that the Hawks don't get any Tar Heels.

I think May will suprise some of you guys, he has the best hands of any big man in the draft and I think if he can continue to improve his conditioning he'll be a very good power forward in the NBA, a double double guy easily. He won't be guarding small forwards, or play center, he's a PF.

McCants got invited to the green room... has someone made a promise to take him in the top 20 or is this the NBA's idea of a (admittedly funny, but cruel) joke... take a kid with a lot of problems, put him in the green room and watch him fall to 25 and just watch his facial expressions every pick?


Also, Schmidty, I saw your comment on Julius Hodge at #50... the latest mock drafts have him going as high as #20, and almost certainly in the first round now.

If I'm a fan of an NBA team, it's the Bobcats, but really, I don't care too much about the NBA. I would love to see the Bobcats end up with Felton at 13 if he falls that far, or to trade up w/ the Hawks for Marvin Williams. One of them on my favorite team might have me a little interested in the NBA.

May could possibly be Boozer in the pros. Hard to say.

Hell, my dream for the draft is some how the Grizzlies unload Jason Williams and pick up Deron Williams. He was the glue that held Illinois together last year, and could dominate a game, without dominating the stat sheet.

Darko is still only 20 years old. Assuming he was entering this years draft, he would still likely be the #1 selection.
I think Darko would certainly be someone's #1 pick, but I doubt he would go in the top 5. Are you saying that teams would still pick him high if he somehow re-entered the draft, after seeing what he did the past two years (nothing)? Or is this without that knowledge?

Speaking of rumors, my favorite so far has been Rasheed and Darko to the T-Wolves for Garnett. Won't happen, but I'd pull the trigger on that one in a second.
Where'd you hear this? I haven't heard anything about it, but yeah, I think I'd pull the trigger on that deal as well (as long as we'd be willing to pay the salary).

May could possibly be Boozer in the pros. Hard to say.

Great comparison. They said many of the same things about Boozer. I think May will be the best PF in this draft, ahead of many wimpy Euros taken ahead of him.

Rumors have the jazz trading with the blazers for #3 overall to get into the position for Deron Williams.

This is done. #6,#27 and a conditional future first for #3.

You look good to get Paul at #4 Lloyd, unless of course, Atlanta throws a wrench in the works and does not take Marvin Williams at #2 (since their two best players are already small forwards).

Wow. Williams over Paul would be shocking to me.

Wow. Williams over Paul would be shocking to me.


Not really, Williams is a few inches taller, and more of a pro sized PG. Paul is right at 6', and might have a harder time playing defense in the pros. Both look to be very good players, I'd probably pick Williams first tho, too.

You look good to get Paul at #4 Lloyd, unless of course, Atlanta throws a wrench in the works and does not take Marvin Williams at #2 (since their two best players are already small forwards).

Of course, if Atlanta takes Paul, Portland/Utah takes D. Williams and M. Williams slips to us at #4, that would be fine too. I've always worked under the assumption that Marvin Williams would be off the board, and I'd be shocked if he wasn't.

This draft may be the most trade-dominated draft in awhile.

This is done. #6,#27 and a conditional future first for #3.

You look good to get Paul at #4 Lloyd, unless of course, Atlanta throws a wrench in the works and does not take Marvin Williams at #2 (since their two best players are already small forwards).


damn

the lakers were trying to move up to #3 but portland wanted chucky Atkins, Butler and lakers #10

Lakers didnt want to give up the #10 pick.

ping: anyone who wants to take Paul Pierce off our goddamn hands for oh say...two future 1st rounders?

Where'd you hear this? I haven't heard anything about it, but yeah, I think I'd pull the trigger on that deal as well (as long as we'd be willing to pay the salary).
From a friend at one of the local sports talk statons. He mentioned it to me in passing the other day, so I dunno if it ever reached the light of day for public consumption.

Not really, Williams is a few inches taller, and more of a pro sized PG. Paul is right at 6', and might have a harder time playing defense in the pros. Both look to be very good players, I'd probably pick Williams first tho, too.
Paul's also had trouble when playing against larger, more physical point guards (like Williams or Jarrett Jack).

Wow, I wasn't that excited until I got home and saw ESPN's border on the screen saying "Milwaukee" is up, and "ATL Next".

Eeeee. Go Pacers!

This is done. #6,#27 and a conditional future first for #3.

You look good to get Paul at #4 Lloyd, unless of course, Atlanta throws a wrench in the works and does not take Marvin Williams at #2 (since their two best players are already small forwards).

I just took a look at Atlanta's roster. I really can't see where Marvin Williams fits in on this roster Childress, Diaw, Harrington, and Josh Smith. Who gets the boot? I know by season's end, the Hawks really liked what they were getting from Smith. Harrington was their leading scorer. Childress and Diaw were first rounders last year

I heard a strange rumor that the Pacers trade for Al Harrington back from Atlanta for a 2nd rounder, and a couple of our lesser players.

Of course, I won't believe it until I see it.

Pacersfan - if Marvin is the pick, I think that's far from the strangest trade rumor I've ever seen. Only 2 of the 4 small forwards really belong on the floor at the same time & Atlanta ain't exactly in the position of worrying about their 10 deep rotation right now.

Oh, I understand Atlanta wanting to get rid of him, but what about him wanting to come back to Indiana?

He left because he wanted out of here last year. Would he really be able to accept being a bench player to stay here ... again?

I'm not so sure.

DAMN!

I wanted to see Chris Paul in Charlotte.

Oh well, they'll probably take Gerald Green now.

Shit. Utah's idiotic decision got my hopes up that New Orleans would somehow pass on Paul.

Do the Bobcats go with Felton or Gerald Green?

Oh, I understand Atlanta wanting to get rid of him, but what about him wanting to come back to Indiana?

He left because he wanted out of here last year. Would he really be able to accept being a bench player to stay here ... again?

I'm not so sure.

Why would Indiana want him back would be my question? :D

Why would Indiana want him back would be my question? :D

He would replace Stephen Jackson as our main guy on the bench. He's a capable scorer, and great defender.

With Reggie leaving Jackson moves into the starting lineup. So, Harrington would again be our 6th man.

Alright. Now let's see May drop to 13.

Wow, that's early for Felton. I think they could have taken Green, and then moved up from #13 to get Felton.

I just don't know if I like that. I'm disappointed in the Bobcats. You're going to suck for a while, it's unavoidable. Why not take Green, and hope you got a superstar?

Early for <i>Felton</i>? There's no doubt in my mind that he'll have a better career than Deron Williams.

Wow, that's early for Felton. I think they could have taken Green, and then moved up from #13 to get Felton.

I just don't know if I like that. I'm disappointed in the Bobcats. You're going to suck for a while, it's unavoidable. Why not take Green, and hope you got a superstar?

If you believed Bickerstaff that he would have Okafor first if he had the first pick last year, then this pick makes sense. Known college player over potentially great HS player

Webster over Green?

i hope Green falls to the Lakers #10 pick

Whoa...Charlie is not THAT good.

Warriors have a chance at Frye now. Woot!

ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Toronto have you lost your mind?

i hope Green falls to the Lakers #10 pick

For what?

The Lakers need a PG that can get the ball to the scorers on that roster. One that can shoot from long range as well.

Not another SG. You already have Kobe ....

Whoa...Charlie is not THAT good.

Warriors have a chance at Frye now. Woot!
Frye is gonna be a huge bust.

Whoa...Charlie is not THAT good.

Warriors have a chance at Frye now. Woot!

Frye to replace Thomas

ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Toronto have you lost your mind?
Toronto's GM has no mind. The guy is in over his head big time.

Spike Lee likes the pick. :)

For what?

The Lakers need a PG that can get the ball to the scorers on that roster. One that can shoot from long range as well.

Not another SG. You already have Kobe ....


no one is sure what postion Green will play.

but rumors is what the lakers want.

Warriors need a big guy.

no one is sure what postion Green will play.

but rumors is what the lakers want.


The potential spots he could play are SG, and SF.

Pg isn't even an option. You have Odom, Butler, and Kobe ... those 2 positions are covered well. PG, and center however .....

Ike Diogu would be an interesting pick here for the Warriors, IMO.

Villanueva?????????? Um........wow.

Wooo! Called that one.

Nice prediction.

yes Lakers will get a good player at #10 now.

Wow, that's early for Felton. I think they could have taken Green, and then moved up from #13 to get Felton.

I just don't know if I like that. I'm disappointed in the Bobcats. You're going to suck for a while, it's unavoidable. Why not take Green, and hope you got a superstar?

Good call on that take Green at #5 thing. :D

How about Bynum to the Lakers?

How about Bynum to the Lakers?

I can't see why they would do that. Not that they won't. But they have to get someone that can help them this year. I would pick Grainger and work a trade

Muahahahaah

There goes my Diogu :(

Green is somewhere singing a Tom Petty song ....

Cuz I'm Freeeeeee .... FREEEEE FALLLLLIN ......

How about Bynum to the Lakers?
Good call.

Ok, who's calling the next one? Magic up.

heh, on ESPN's DraftCast, Charlie Villanueva just announced that he was going to "work hard to try and put Toronto on the map."

heh, on ESPN's DraftCast, Charlie Villanueva just announced that he was going to "work hard to try and put Toronto on the map."

Good for him. Canada needs all the help it can get.

Ok, who's calling the next one? Magic up.

I think that Green gets taken by the Magic. No 3 to speak of

Holy shit. The Bobcats could get Green at 13.

I'll be very pissed if the pick Danny Granger over Gerald Green if he's available.

Am I the only one who enjoys watching HS'ers drop in the draft?

Just to clarify, I like seeing guys who can play, not just jump high and dunk.

I am wondering if he will take an "Aaron Rodgers" typ drop

Am I the only one who enjoys watching HS'ers drop in the draft?

Yes. You are truly unique. You are the only one EVER to want HSers to drop in the draft. In the history of the universe.

I'm disappointed in the Bobcats. You're going to suck for a while, it's unavoidable. Why not take Green, and hope you got a superstar?

I'm disappointed in the Bobcats. You're going to suck for a while, it's unavoidable. Why not take Green, and hope you got a superstar?

I'm disappointed in the Bobcats. You're going to suck for a while, it's unavoidable. Why not take Green, and hope you got a superstar?

I'm disappointed in the Bobcats. You're going to suck for a while, it's unavoidable. Why not take Green, and hope you got a superstar?

:D

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I love it.

Yes. You are truly unique. You are the only one EVER to want HSers to drop in the draft. In the history of the universe.
That's not what I was getting at, but continue to troll away.

and.... Dick Vitale is an idiot.

Wow, the T-wolves' spot has gotten a lot more interesting.

and.... Dick Vitale is an idiot.

Tomorrow, on Obvious TV, we'll discuss the following: Paris Hilton is a whore, and Stephen A. Smith yells. ;)

Tomorrow, on Obvious TV, we'll discuss the following: Paris Hilton is a whore, and Stephen A. Smith yells. ;)

I know! I know! But just saying that Yao Ming is the only foreign impact player ever and then to criticize taking a foreign guy after the 10th pick, it isn't like there are sure-fire impact guys at those spots.

Ugh. I like Sean May, but they obviously drafted him for two reasons, both of which are awful:

1) Jumping on the "pass over Gerald Green" bandwagon. I guarantee you they'd have picked him at 5 if Felton hadn't been there.

2) Local guy. Come on! You already got that with Felton!

If you would have told me before the draft began that they got Felton and May, I would have been happy. But with Green still on the board? I'm kind of disgusted.

gimme Hakim Warrick at 18 and I'll be happy. even though everyone is saying the C's will look PG

Nice to see Minnesota land a SG without needy kids...

Nice to see Minnesota land a SG without needy kids...
:D

Nice to see Minnesota land a SG without needy kids...

Yeh, instead they get a needy kid.

Are any of the other UNC guys expected to go?

Are any of the other UNC guys expected to go?

I say the Bobcats take Jawad Williams in the 2nd round.

And then sign Wes Miller as a free agent. :)

That's not what I was getting at, but continue to troll away.

I'm a troll? Ok.

I just get sick of the whole "Am I the only person......" thing. It's old and broken. Guess I'm a troll because I have an opinion.

NJ should probably go big. Maybe Warrick, but he has no range to speak of or they could have Green "learn" from Vince.

HOLY ****

Green could be there for my Pacers to take!!! GOOD GOD!!

I'm about to pee myself .....

Toronto now with another chance to screw up.

There's got to be a "weed" problem that was attached to Green or something

joey graham?? joey graham?

way to go toronto

edit: i don't follow basketball (college or pro) all that much, so for all I know this guy could be amazing. But somehow I doubt it

YES YES YES YES YES YES!!!

One battle down ... now the other battle ... for Larry Bird to write "Gerald Green" on the sheet .....

I haven't been this giddy about a pick in forever.

Danny Granger.

joey graham?? joey graham?

way to go toronto

edit: i don't follow basketball (college or pro) all that much, so for all I know this guy could be amazing. But somehow I doubt it

Not amazing but a better fit that their first pick

By the way, I think Julius Hodge is going to be a steal for someone. Living down this way, I saw him play quite a bit in the ACC, and he looked like the best guy on the court fairly often.

Observation: No constant camera shots into the green room to see Green's face

Danny Granger is a nice add for the Pacers, and much more valuable to the team than Green would be now... Wonder if he signed Artest's ticket out of town?

I knew we'd do that.

That man is too damn injury prone for me. Blech.

We have enough of those guys.

Observation: No constant camera shots into the green room to see Green's face
They really haven't mentioned his name in a while either.

If Detroit gets Gerald Green or Julius Hodge, I will piss my own pants.

Toronto's picks... HUH?

Bye bye Babcock. This is your last season as GM of the Raptors ... guaranteed.

we'll take gerald green thanks. from everything i hear/have heard, he is a project, but should be really good

we'll take gerald green thanks. from everything i hear/have heard, he is a project, but should be really good

Fits what Danny Ainge wants. Not a bad pick for the Celts

Why did he fall to us?

Goodstuff. I think I'd watch more bball if the celts improved. There were just so many damn lean years that it became a turnoff. I wanna see Pierce traded now though, hopefully for picks, because I don't think we can win before he'll leave as a FA

By the way, I think Julius Hodge is going to be a steal for someone. Living down this way, I saw him play quite a bit in the ACC, and he looked like the best guy on the court fairly often.
If he plays like he did his junior year, I definitely agree with you, but 'ol Skeletor had a tendency to disappear at times this past season. That said, he does so much on the court. He can score, rebound, handle the ball and do the dirty work if necessary.

The Celtics won their division, and Pierce was the leading scorer. What do they have without him?

The Celtics won their division, and Pierce was the leading scorer. What do they have without him?
a future. I don't think they have a future WITH him. There's no way they're going to win in the next couple years with him while their young kids are developing, so they ought to shrug him off and get some young talent/expiring contract/picks for him.

Why does ESPN categorize the Villanueva and Bynum picks together with the Warriors selection of Diogu? Morons, that was a good pick for Golden State and it's not a stretch like the other two.

Doc says Pierce is going nowhere and they will build around him. I think with him they have a chance at the playoffs, without him they win maybe 20 games.

Why does ESPN categorize the Villanueva and Bynum picks together with the Warriors selection of Diogu? Morons, that was a good pick for Golden State and it's not a stretch like the other two.

Because you know more than people who spend their lives scouting these players.

Most of us have GENERAL ideas, but we don't watch the film and the camps in person. They know at least a LITTLE more than us.

I guess the Raptors could have done worse.

They could have given away Chris Bosh to trade up in the draft (and pick Villanueva).

Doc says Pierce is going nowhere and they will build around him. I think with him they have a chance at the playoffs, without him they win maybe 20 games.
what good is just making the playoffs? Then you just end up with the 18th pick again and again, and never win it all. On the other hand, dump Pierce, get either young kids/cap space/picks or some combination of the 3 and you tank a year or two yeah, but you end up likely with a high lottery pick (and maybe a lower pick for depth/trading up) and an opportunity to pick a new "core" player for your team.

I thought everyone had Hodge in the 2nd round.

Toronto's picks... HUH?

Bye bye Babcock. This is your last season as GM of the Raptors ... guaranteed.

One possibility is that a trade has been agreed with NO for Jamal Magloire - and that they are picking the players NO wants. Remember, trades in the NBA can't be announced during the draft.

You have a good point. I'm not a Celtics fan, but I think its hard for teams like the Celtics and Lakers to go into the tank. They have a huge fan base and don't want to end up like the Knicks for 2-5 years. Will be interesting to see how it unfolds.

You have a good point. I'm not a Celtics fan, but I think its hard for teams like the Celtics and Lakers to go into the tank. They have a huge fan base and don't want to end up like the Knicks for 2-5 years. Will be interesting to see how it unfolds.
well I don't know. I don't really see all that huge of a fan base for the Celts. Historically yes. But really the only people I see with Celtics apparel on these days are fat smelly middle-aged or old men. And unless I'm mistaken it's not like they're doing great on ticket sales. They've pretty much lost the "casual" fans here in Boston till they recover anyways, so they might as well take it all the way to the tank. At least, that's what I would do. That's always been my motto, if you can't win it all, or at least compete to win it all, tank as bad as you can. But I guess that's easier done in a digital world than in the real world.

well I don't know. I don't really see all that huge of a fan base for the Celts. Historically yes. But really the only people I see with Celtics apparel on these days are fat smelly middle-aged or old men. And unless I'm mistaken it's not like they're doing great on ticket sales. They've pretty much lost the "casual" fans here in Boston till they recover anyways, so they might as well take it all the way to the tank. At least, that's what I would do. That's always been my motto, if you can't win it all, or at least compete to win it all, tank as bad as you can. But I guess that's easier done in a digital world than in the real world.

Are you fat and smelly?

Celtic ratings are horrible, and when interest perked against Indy, Pierce had a meltdown.

The consensus is they have gone as far as they can with Paul.

Are you fat and smelly?
smelly...no. although i am sensitive to the metal they use in anti-perspirants so i hafta wear straight deoderant.

fat...6ft, 235 with a lil paunch.

last time i actually sat and watched a full Celtics game was prolly ohh...that playoff series against the Pacers what...last year i wanna say?

Are you fat and smelly?


I've been full figured for a while and it's in the 80's in my apartment, so if my Degree wears out....

Gee, just what the Sonics needed - another C project...

How does the Jack to Portland trade make any sense for the Blazers?

How about Bynum to the Lakers?

Somebody is looking at this kid and they're thinking they can create him into their own Shaqlike creature. He's a big boy. If he gets into NBA shape, he could be a monster at the NBA level.

Or just a huge flop.

lol

I think Charlotte did a good job getting those two UNC guys, especially off successful years. The team is figuring they can market them well and get butts into the seats. Plus, with Okafor - another proven winner in college - they've got a nice core for themselves there, with a team that overacheived last season. I like those picks, though they could've been more "daring" maybe.

Anybody seen this Jason Maxiell kid play at all at Cincy? He has the look of a beast for Detroit, a place where Big Ben managed to get his game together, as well as Rip Hamilton. So he fits the caricature of the type of player they like to bring into the fold.

Certainly better than say, a Darko. I wonder if they'll try to demote Darko to the NBDL next year, since they can do that with players in their first two years. Or because he's in year 3, he won't be able to go..

That Antonie Wright kid for the Nets looks like he could be the scorer they've been missing the past few years. Now if they could deal Kidd. I was thinking before I wanted him to stay around as a floor general. But he's gonna keep getting hurt and broken down and someone would get him, especially since his stock is up and all. I think he'd be worth dealing and getting a young player and a pick or so.

I think Garcia will be a decent NBA player, especially in Sacto where he'll get to shoot.

Did Tony Parker consult in this draft? The Spurs picked another French player.

Very nice pick for the Heat as long as he stays healthy. Have a nice day Christian

I think Garcia will be a decent NBA player, especially in Sacto where he'll get to shoot.

I only saw him in the NCAA Tournament, but he impressed me - seemed like a pretty good passer and a deadly shooter. Not a great defender, but with effort he could be reasonable in a team defense scheme. I was hoping the Sonics would get him...

I thought the Knicks would take Stoudamire there and have an Arizona reunion...just 9 picks...come on...nobody pick salim.

I only saw him in the NCAA Tournament, but he impressed me - seemed like a pretty good passer and a deadly shooter. Not a great defender, but with effort he could be reasonable in a team defense scheme. I was hoping the Sonics would get him...

He's an older player - already 23 - has the New York pedigree and has a good basketball IQ. I think that his lackluster play during parts of college, was really boredom with the hum-drum of the college game. Getting paid tends to change some players and I think that the right system matters for a lot of guys, especially in today's NBA.

He ought to standout. This is one of the better drafts in years. It allows us to focus on all the players, rather than just 1 or 2 huge stars at the top. Should be fun to see how pans out vs. who doesn't.

Darn.

I thought the Knicks would take Stoudamire there and have an Arizona reunion...just 9 picks...come on...nobody pick salim.

He is going to ATL

But hey, the Knicks will get 5'9" Nate Robinson, who could be a fan favourite in NYC after a few years. The guy has game, short or not.


In between, 5-9 point guard Nate Robinson went 21st to Phoenix, which quickly packaged him with guard Quentin Richardson in a long-simmering trade with New York. The Suns were to receive center Kurt Thomas and the Knicks' second-round pick, 54th overall, after the deal was approved by league lawyers.

I don't like Maxiell going to the Pistons, I'd rather him have gone to somewhere like Charlotte were he could get get minutes. If Brown stays he will not play.

Anybody seen this Jason Maxiell kid play at all at Cincy? He has the look of a beast for Detroit, a place where Big Ben managed to get his game together, as well as Rip Hamilton. So he fits the caricature of the type of player they like to bring into the fold.

Certainly better than say, a Darko. I wonder if they'll try to demote Darko to the NBDL next year, since they can do that with players in their first two years. Or because he's in year 3, he won't be able to go.. He's undersized but definitely a PF, not a SF. Same problem Fortson had coming out, but Maxiell is more athletic and a better leaper. Great off the ball blocker, he is only about 6'7 but his wingspan is 7'3. I hope he gets to showcase his talent. Good mid range turn around jump shooter. I'd say that was his shot selection 50% at Cincinnati. (edit: Changed it from 60% to 50% cause he dunked alot.)



As for Jack to Portland, it didn't make much sense for Denver to keep him either. Is Lenard a free agent? If not, they now have Boykins, Miller, Johnson, Lenard, and Hodge in a logjam at 1 and 2.

I'm not to happy with Houston selecting Head either, as they also have a ton of guards (Sura, James, Wesley, Barry, McGrady....).

I'm glad to see my other team Boston getting the steal of the draft in Gerald Green. He just looks like he can be an absolute stud.

I love the draft where I can speculate on how poorly the NBA GMs do.

As for Jack to Portland, it didn't make much sense for Denver to keep him either.
Agree there. I knew it was a trade when I heard the pick. I just wouldn't have guessed Portland.

Monta Ellis...huh. Anybody know anything about this kid?

I thought the Wizards would NEVER pick a high school again after Kwame

My word, all the HS kids.

Looks like Phoenix just got their replacement for Q - if the rumored trade of Q and Nate Robinson for Thomas and the 54th is accurate.

The only team whose draft I truly HATE was Toronto's. I may have chosen one guy over another but at least I can understand the thought process. Even after hearing Rob Babcock explain himself, I STILL have no clue what they were thinking.

I thought the Wizards would NEVER pick a high school again after Kwame

On the bright side, this kid looks like one of the top ten, maybe top 25 players to come out of high school this year and forego their college careers. If he produces just half of what Kwame did...

...um, is Darko available in a trade?

I LOOOVED the Celtics Draft! Green was a great gift, especially since they were strongly considering taking Gomes at 18 (who they ended up getting at 50). Don't know much about Orien Greene but in Danny Ainge I trust.

Don't know much about Orien Greene but in Danny Ainge I trust.

I saw Orien Greene play a lot in college. He is an animal on defense. He was a pretty good offensive threat in the Sun Belt Conference but I don't think he'll provide much offensively at the NBA level. Mainly a very athletic defensive specialist guard. Dunno if that'll be enough to make the team but we'll see.

woohoo Tar Heels :) If I ever watch the NBA again, I'd be a Bobcats fan even before this draft just because of proximity, but now, I might actually watch a few Bobcats games if I can over the next few years.

Other than that... Portland confuses me, as do all the underclassmen who come out just to be low 1st round or 2nd round picks. And any high school kid that isn't a lock for the lottery needs to go to college, or JC, or something.

Looks like Phoenix just got their replacement for Q - if the rumored trade of Q and Nate Robinson for Thomas and the 54th is accurate.

You sure Dijon will help? He's good at everything, but not gifted at anything....

You sure Dijon will help? He's good at everything, but not gifted at anything....
I don't know that he will be asked to step in all that much off the bat. In 05, they will have Johnson, Marion, Nash, Barbosa and Jim Jackson - so minutes will be at a premium for the 2 and 3 spots. But, I think he can be that catch-and-shoot deep threat that Q was over the next few seasons and take over for Jim Jackson down the road. There's also a rumor that Phoenix may grab Michael Finley if Dallas ends up using their salary exemption on him.

I LOOOVED the Celtics Draft! Green was a great gift, especially since they were strongly considering taking Gomes at 18 (who they ended up getting at 50). Don't know much about Orien Greene but in Danny Ainge I trust.

With the plethora of decent players the wizards have, why take a safe, decent player in the second round here. Might as well take a gamble, swing for the fences guy with the 49th pick - beats doing so with #1.

Now, if the Bullez had a top 5 pick again, I bet they would take a more proven commodity.

I had the point guards rated: Paul, Felton, Jack, Williams. I think Utah will regret that pick. I saw Williams play quite a bit, and he's definitely NOT the reason Illinois was so good - he's ok, but I'll be surprised if he's not a huge disappointment to the Jazz.

I think you are putting the wrong emphasis on the PG's. You seen to list them on how explosive they can be and how much they can score, which is not Williams strength. He seems much more apt at leading a team and controlling the offense.

I think you are putting the wrong emphasis on the PG's. You seen to list them on how explosive they can be and how much they can score, which is not Williams strength. He seems much more apt at leading a team and controlling the offense.

An odd comment since he didn't really control Illinois' offense, at least not most of the time. He was basically their defensive point guard, not their primary ball-handler - that job was split more or less evenly between Williams, Brown, and Head.

Just cancelled my Raptors seasons tickets till Badcock is gone.

What do you guys think or what is said about the 11th overal pick, F.Vazquez To Orlando? is he known there? are the fans happy? I'm curious as of course in Spain that are really big news as it's not usual to have a Spanish guy drafted (apart from Gasol and Raul Lopez).

i think the Toronto pick was for the Lakers.

there pick and Jalen rose to the lakers for the #10 pick they drafted.

that the rumour in Laker land on the radio.

An odd comment since he didn't really control Illinois' offense, at least not most of the time. He was basically their defensive point guard, not their primary ball-handler - that job was split more or less evenly between Williams, Brown, and Head.

Williams was definitely the primary ball handler for Illinois, and the top defender.

i think the Toronto pick was for the Lakers.

there pick and Jalen rose to the lakers for the #10 pick they drafted.

that the rumour in Laker land on the radio.

Wha??

So the #7 and Rose for the #10? Please say no.

Wha??

So the #7 and Rose for the #10? Please say no.

Sounds EXACTLY like something Badcock would do.I'm surprised he did'nt throw in the 16th pick also.

Wha??

So the #7 and Rose for the #10? Please say no.


that what the la radio sports talk shows are saying.

the lakers will probably have to add another player like deveon george because has one year contract left and that will give toronto some more cap room next season. and at the same time get rid of jalen rose contract.

that what the la radio sports talk shows are saying.

the lakers will probably have to add another player like deveon george because has one year contract left and that will give toronto some more cap room next season. and at the same time get rid of jalen rose contract.

I still see a problem with this. Sure, they want to get rid of Jalen's contract... but to sacrifice in the draft to get cap room to rebuild? You don't rebuild by sacrificing anything to do with the draft...

I still see a problem with this. Sure, they want to get rid of Jalen's contract... but to sacrifice in the draft to get cap room to rebuild? You don't rebuild by sacrificing anything to do with the draft...

There were a couple of similiar deals last year, where teams traded a player and a pick for a lower pick.

I still see a problem with this. Sure, they want to get rid of Jalen's contract... but to sacrifice in the draft to get cap room to rebuild? You don't rebuild by sacrificing anything to do with the draft...


maybe the Lakers told toronto who to pick at #7. and then the Lakers drafted for toronto at #10.

that why a lot of people was shock with toronto pick when they already have a good player at that position.

maybe the Lakers told toronto who to pick at #7. and then the Lakers drafted for toronto at #10.

that why a lot of people was shock with toronto pick when they already have a good player at that position.

I don't get that. Neither one of those guys figured to be gone by 10 anyway.

Pick your own players!

There were a couple of similiar deals last year, where teams traded a player and a pick for a lower pick.

They are not going to happen this year. This year, in a special one-time provision in the new CBA, teams get to waive one player. They have to pay him, but get back the cap and luxury tax. Rose is almost certainly going to be one of those players.

maybe the Lakers told toronto who to pick at #7. and then the Lakers drafted for toronto at #10.

that why a lot of people was shock with toronto pick when they already have a good player at that position.

So the Lakers were scared that Charlie wouldn't be available at #10? I wanted to see the Raptors improve this year... hopefully whatever happens does just that.

They are not going to happen this year. This year, in a special one-time provision in the new CBA, teams get to waive one player. They have to pay him, but get back the cap and luxury tax. Rose is almost certainly going to be one of those players.


i think they get the luxury tax back only not the cap.

the salary cap will still exist for the team if they waive him.

correct, there is no cap relief.

Still, I don't believe that rumor. I don't think LA would do it. Why take on Rose's cap number, inherit his attitude-of-locker-room-death, along with his spiritual descendent, the "top 5 worst draft pick in the history of team sports," Charlie Villianueva, for one of the few centers with any promise in the draft. Seriously, where is there any benefit in that deal for the Lakers - especially since Rose is expected to be waived, and can be had much cheaper as a free agent? You are going to pay Rose $10 million more than you have to, and give up a player most teams value more than Villanueva, in order to get Villanueva? I just don't see it.

maybe the Lakers heard all the analysis that their big guy was a bad pick and hit eject

Still, I don't believe that rumor. I don't think LA would do it. Why take on Rose's cap number, inherit his attitude-of-locker-room-death, along with his spiritual descendent, the "top 5 worst draft pick in the history of team sports," Charlie Villianueva, for one of the few centers with any promise in the draft. Seriously, where is there any benefit in that deal for the Lakers - especially since Rose is expected to be waived, and can be had much cheaper as a free agent? You are going to pay Rose $10 million more than you have to, and give up a player most teams value more than Villanueva, in order to get Villanueva? I just don't see it.
Doesn't seem all that bad to me. That kid they drafted still has babyfat, he looks so young.

Anyways, assuming they make this trade they have a good core of players-

pg Rose
sg Kobe
sf Odom
pf Villanueva
c ?

Or put Odom at PF and start Butler at SF with Villanueva coming off the bench. But Rose is a much needed upgrade at point.

maybe the Lakers heard all the analysis that their big guy was a bad pick and hit eject

I think it was more of "this pick does not make sense for this team" than "it was a bad pick"

Villanueva, now HE got "this was a terrible pick"

Villanueva almost makes sense for the Lakers. I think May would have been a nicer pick, but what the hell do I know.

True. They meaning the "experts" were just saying the Laker selection is a project and not much help in the immediate future for a team that seems to be looking for a now solution.

Doesn't seem all that bad to me. That kid they drafted still has babyfat, he looks so young.

Anyways, assuming they make this trade they have a good core of players-

pg Rose
sg Kobe
sf Odom
pf Villanueva
c ?

Or put Odom at PF and start Butler at SF with Villanueva coming off the bench. But Rose is a much needed upgrade at point.

i think phil jackson wants Divac to play center.. he will be great with his passes in the triangle. and Brian Grant as backup.

Doesn't seem all that bad to me. That kid they drafted still has babyfat, he looks so young.

Anyways, assuming they make this trade they have a good core of players-

pg Rose
sg Kobe
sf Odom
pf Villanueva
c ?

Or put Odom at PF and start Butler at SF with Villanueva coming off the bench. But Rose is a much needed upgrade at point.

No, no, no, no, Rose is not an upgrade at anything. You probably have not seen him play in years because of being exiled to Toronto, but he is terrible. And Villanueva will never contribute anything to the NBA. The above would win less games than last year's team.

Rose is a PG?

Rose is a PG?
He is primarily a 2 or 3, but I think it was the year the Pacers went to the Finals that Rose played primarily PG and did very well. He's like Pippen in a way. He can play PG if necessary. All things considered on LA, I'd say it's more necessary for him to play there (over Atkins) then take time away from Bryant-Butler-Odom-Villanueva.

Rose is a PG?

That's the thing with Rose that I never understood. I always thought he was a SF that could handle the ball if he had (I believe Pippen was the same way?), but in no way was he an actual PG. However, when the Raptors first got him, that's what he did...


edit: wow, Shorty read my mind.

Rose being a pg or sg wont really matter in the triangle..

there no true pg in that system.

Rose being pound for pound the shittiest player in the league will matter.

the year the Pacers went to the Finals that Rose played primarily PG and did very well

Umm, no. Mark Jackson was the Pacers PG that year. It is no coincidence that the team went furthest after abandoning the "Rose is a PG" myth.

Well, still, he can play PG (the original argument).

How has Rose degressed into the worst player as people say?

Well, still, he can play PG (the original argument).

How has Rose degressed into the worst player as people say?

Stopped caring and got old at the same time.

As for "he can play PG" well, that in the past has meant your team was not very good. He has never been successful as a full time PG. He has (had?) great passing skills for a forward, leading many to envision him as a PG. It never worked.

If Jalen Rose was making a reasonable salary, maybe I wouldnt feel so strongly about how awful he is. But the fact that he makes 15 million for the next 2 or 3 years is just sickening. How anyone could be so irresponsible to pay him that much and then on top of that, 2 teams have traded for him.

Word on the street is that the Mavs will dump Finley in order to save 51 million in luxury tax over the next 3 years. Probably not a horrible idea.

Finley is one of my favorite players.

Finley is one of my favorite players.




rumour Phoenix might be interest in signing him to the veteran max if he is release from the mavs.

What's with drafting these kids from European clubs?
How many of them actually get to play in the NBA? I remember in the 02 draft a few of them went, but how many are playing in the league now?

What's with drafting these kids from European clubs?
How many of them actually get to play in the NBA? I remember in the 02 draft a few of them went, but how many are playing in the league now?

I guess the logic is that it's better than sticking them in the NBDL. Long term, the NBA probably wants the NBDL to turn into their own farm system where those guys can play and not be overseas, though they're making good money over there.

Hilarious radio in Toronto today.Badcock and Sam Mitchell making out like they pulled the wool over the whole NBA fraternities eyes.

I guess the logic is that it's better than sticking them in the NBDL. Long term, the NBA probably wants the NBDL to turn into their own farm system where those guys can play and not be overseas, though they're making good money over there.

Based on what was discussed during the draft coverage, the top European league would be the equivalent of Triple A baseball. The NBDL is not even close to that right now. Why not leave them in Europe, allow them to continue to develop in familiar surroundings, and then bring them over when they are NBA ready? I would have to believe Darko would have been better off with two years of play then. Kinda like what the Spurs are going to do with the first pick this year

I saw Williams play quite a bit, and he's definitely NOT the reason Illinois was so good

I saw him more, and yes he was. Certainly not the only reason, but a very big one.

He was the best passer on the best passing team I've ever seen. He's strong, deceptively quick, sees the floor well, and is totally unselfish.

Most importantly, he's a lock-down defender. He held Salim Stoudamire to 2-13 and Francisco Garcia to 2-10 shooting in the Elite 8 and Final 4.

Rose is a PG?
That's the problem with him... if he had been content to just be a good "point-foward" he would have been a perenial all-star as he was really good at that role. But no... he had to complain every season as a Pacer about wanting to play PG. Everytime they tried him there it didn't work until eventually they pretty much had to trade him.

Anybody care to comment on the 4 french drafted players ?

Anybody care to comment on the 4 french drafted players ?

I doubt most of us know anything more than the thumbnail sketches we got from ESPN. Sounds like the 2nd rounder the Sonics drafted will likely stay in Europe to play rather than come over here to the developmental league, but he's looked at as a possible future contributer to the Sonics. Their 1st rounder (Petro) is considered a real project, even moreso than the high schooler they drafted last year (Robert Swift), but they like his potential down the road.

Petro is the one I know best since he played for Pau-Orthez (my favorite club). He has all the athletics tools, but he always seems to be in foul trouble.

Thuriaff did som good things in Gonzaga, but he doesn't get mentionned in the PF rotation for the Lakers (or has he been traded already ?)

I'm gonna have to pick me up a garcia kings jersey ;)

Petro is the one I know best since he played for Pau-Orthez (my favorite club). He has all the athletics tools, but he always seems to be in foul trouble.

Thuriaff did som good things in Gonzaga, but he doesn't get mentionned in the PF rotation for the Lakers (or has he been traded already ?)

Turiaf will be the best player drafted by the Lakers during the upcoming season.

Turiaf will be the best player drafted by the Lakers during the upcoming season.

thats not too much of a statement considering the other players they took :)

Personally, i'm rooting for bynum just because so many people seem to be down on him.. but i don't hold out much hope..


I'm still pissed off about the age limit thing.. While i think its a good thing.. what the league didn't want you to know is they lowered the age limit of the nbdl to 18.. jee thanks!

thats not too much of a statement considering the other players they took :)

Personally, i'm rooting for bynum just because so many people seem to be down on him.. but i don't hold out much hope..


I'm still pissed off about the age limit thing.. While i think its a good thing.. what the league didn't want you to know is they lowered the age limit of the nbdl to 18.. jee thanks!

I am actually more curious to see how college programs deal with the age limit. In the past, the majority of the coaches were less likely to recruit a guy who they thought was only going to be there for a year and then head to the NBA. Carmelo Anthony being a notable exception. I wonder how many coaches are going to be more willing to change this approach. As far as Bynum goes, I disagree with the pick not because I want to him fail or a dislike for the Lakers. I just thought the Lakers should have pick a player who was ready to help them now as opposed to someone who might help them down the road.

i think the Toronto pick was for the Lakers.

there pick and Jalen rose to the lakers for the #10 pick they drafted.

that the rumour in Laker land on the radio.

Makes no sense and the Lakers have been rumored to make about 15 trades since the Shaq deal and not one has happened.

I am actually more curious to see how college programs deal with the age limit. In the past, the majority of the coaches were less likely to recruit a guy who they thought was only going to be there for a year and then head to the NBA. Carmelo Anthony being a notable exception. I wonder how many coaches are going to be more willing to change this approach. As far as Bynum goes, I disagree with the pick not because I want to him fail or a dislike for the Lakers. I just thought the Lakers should have pick a player who was ready to help them now as opposed to someone who might help them down the road.

There were really only 1-2 players available at the 10th pick that can help them and none of them played a position of need and none of them played C/PF or PG. May might be an exception but I dont really think he'd be a better option having Odom play at PF.