... dating from 2000.

I guess there's something about being one of the best single-season rushers of all time that leads to trouble with the law. OJ, Jamal... Ouch

(front of ESPN.COM)

OK, best Keith Hernandez-style joke about running between the white lines wins...a date with Fritz.

Cocaine is a hell of a drug.

The Ravens seem to have a problem with their players being arrested for crimes.

Wow.

The Ravens seem to have a problem with their players being arrested for crimes.
It's the Ray and Jamal show!

Someone forgot to tell the Ravens not to copy EVERYTHING from the early 90's Cowboys team...

Baltimore is a tough town.

Damn; he was the one Raven I actually liked, too.

Hey, Michael Irvin only used the stuff for ehrm... fun and leisure. Even Irvin was smart enough to realize that when you get an NFL salary and endorsements, there's no reason to sell drugs. What the hell is wrong with these athletes. You do that crap when you don't have da dough!

Isn't this bad? Like, jail-time bad? Not just caught with possession... but actually distributing the stuff?

Depending on the amount, BIG jail time fan. Then again, he's a celebrity, so he'll probably get off pretty lightly.

Your average citizen, on the other hand, would be looking at decades.

Isn't this bad? Like, jail-time bad? Not just caught with possession... but actually distributing the stuff?
Yes, it's a lot worse than being charged with posession.

Someone forgot to tell the Ravens not to try to do everything more than the...

I got nothing.

Well, now the offense is going to really suck.

I got nothing.(everyone else is just copying :) )

Well, guilty or not, Jamal ain't completely stupid.

From the ajc.com story at
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/atlanta/0204/26lewis.html

Jamal Lewis has turned to (Ed) Garland and his partner, Don Samuel, the same two lawyers who represented Ray Lewis during the 2000 trial.

And to be honest, here's the reminder that makes this look awfully bad to me in terms of his possible guilt.

" During that 2001 season, Lewis was suspended four games after violating the NFL's substance and alcohol-abuse policy. At the time, the league said Lewis would lose four game checks.

I don't believe the NFL releases details about particular substances but the timing of this is a little close for comfort IMO.

Wonder if it's too late for those Chris McCallister for Clinton Portis rumors to start...

Thank God Kyle Boller scored great in the combine... He can do it all from the backfield.

Wonder if it's too late for those Chris McCallister for Clinton Portis rumors to start...

LOL! :D

I got nothing.(everyone else is just copying :) )

Copying liek the Ravens are copying the...

I got nothing.

Someone forgot to tell the Ravens not to copy EVERYTHING from the early 90's Cowboys team...


lol:D

It's funny cause it's true

Copying liek the Ravens are copying the...

I got nothing.

I got no response to that. Doesn't quite have the ring. :)

Someone forgot to tell the Ravens not to copy EVERYTHING from the early 90's Cowboys team...

Sounds like he's more or less trying to become Bam Morris, who certainly was never a Cowboy... :)

More support for my Jerk Magnet theory. Baltimore is doing its best to compete with the traditional Jerk Magnet Powerhouses of Dallas and Oakland.

and Subby's house. he's got a Jerk Empirie going on in his place.

This sucks, not a fan of the Browvens, but....I just hate seeing athletes who seem to be so incredibly stupid that its beyond comprehension.

I wonder if "intent" to distribute, and then never really going through with it is nearly as bad as actually distributing it. If I remember correctly, Nate Newton got caught with the stuff in his car right? (I think he's still in jail).

There is NO way, I mean no way this celeb will get jail time. And might I say what a joke our justice system is if he doesn't get jail time. I mean they have him on his damn cell phone!

More support for my Jerk Magnet theory. Baltimore is doing its best to compete with the traditional Jerk Magnet Powerhouses of Dallas and Oakland.

More rubbish from the alien...

making millions but yet getting greedy and wanting to make more millions by selling crap!

I hope he gets busted and he gets some serious jail time.

Just stupid, really ignorant of Jamaal to be doing such a thing.

He is......

DOOMED!

Who was that one Dallas Cowboy O-Lineman who was caught with a van full of pot? I think it happened a couple of years ago...or late 90s. Can't quite recall...

Who was that one Dallas Cowboy O-Lineman who was caught with a van full of pot? I think it happened a couple of years ago...or late 90s. Can't quite recall...


Nate Newton... and I think he got busted twice with massive amounts of weed.

Who was that one Dallas Cowboy O-Lineman who was caught with a van full of pot? I think it happened a couple of years ago...or late 90s. Can't quite recall...

That was Nate Newton. If I'm not mistaken he busted 2 times within a matter of months.

Nate Newton... and I think he got busted twice with massive amounts of weed.

Damn you.

Intent to distribute, I'm guessing. I guess most sports players aren't in the best shape financially during/after their career.

EDIT: Guess that's what a 'General Education' degree does for those athletes who graduated. (No offense to anyone who actually one!)

I don't think Cocaine has the same minimum-sentencing guidelines crack does, but getting busted for distribution is probably not a good thing.

Something close to 10=15 years is what the local news said. He'll probably get off, though (that's just my opinion. Nothing known or read).

More information is emerging... It sounds like it was Lewis's friend who was trying to get the drugs to sell them, and Lewis is accused of helping him, apparently by taking a call on his cell phone. The drugs were never actually purchased.

If Lewis was just a guy taking a phone call, I can't see him going down hard for this. Wouldn't surprise me if they just used him to testify against his pal.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1744109

Uh oh, I'm getting flashbacks to PLAYMAKERS... no Demetrius, don't sell out your friend.... he ain't shoot nobody.

It's God getting back at Art Modell. God was just busy for a while ;).

"Ah snap! I didn't sell coke to no motherf**kin' lion!"

Sounds like he's more or less trying to become Bam Morris, who certainly was never a Cowboy... :)

Yeah, but wasn't Sherman Williams a kingpin?

That was Nate Newton. If I'm not mistaken he busted 2 times within a matter of months.
Yeah, like almost half a metric ton of that crap.

If Brian Billick has prostate cancer and Tony Sirigusa comes out of the closet I will be very suspicious.

Well, at least the steelers have a better chance this season.

Yeah, but wasn't Sherman Williams a kingpin?

Yeah, he's a kingpin in the paint racket... ;)

Yeah, he's a kingpin in the paint racket... ;)

Just a snippet from another article.....Williams was number 20 on the Boys. Emmitts backup.


"Williams was convicted and pleaded guilty to drug trafficking and counterfeiting charges. In March he was sentenced to the maximum 15 years and eight months in prison."


I guess Sherman Williams is the "featured back" on the Mean Machine.

Huh, I actually never knew that about Sherm...

More information is emerging... It sounds like it was Lewis's friend who was trying to get the drugs to sell them, and Lewis is accused of helping him, apparently by taking a call on his cell phone. The drugs were never actually purchased.

If Lewis was just a guy taking a phone call, I can't see him going down hard for this. Wouldn't surprise me if they just used him to testify against his pal.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1744109

From what I heard on the news this morning, it sounds like Lewis has a good chance to get off. It was entrapment because a snitch contacted Lewis about the offer and encouraged to do the entire deal. It sounds like Lewis had no plans on selling drugs anytime soon but this informer pushed him into the deal. I think the snitch was his good friend too. So maybe he thought he was just helping out someone he grew up with. Lewis never paid or picked up any drugs but the 5 year statute of limitations is running out so the law is going through with the charge.

From what I heard on the news this morning, it sounds like Lewis has a good chance to get off. It was entrapment because a snitch contacted Lewis about the offer and encouraged to do the entire deal. It sounds like Lewis had no plans on selling drugs anytime soon but this informer pushed him into the deal. I think the snitch was his good friend too. So maybe he thought he was just helping out someone he grew up with. Lewis never paid or picked up any drugs but the 5 year statute of limitations is running out so the law is going through with the charge.

The headline was far more damning than the facts. I think they will not get beyond the fact that no drugs were ever purchased. We are going to punish him for considering committing a crime, but deciding in the end it wasn't worth the risk? If that's the case, a whole lot more people need to be in jail.

I think Lewis' friend did purchase the drugs. If so, and Lewis helped facilitate the crime then he was part of the conspiracy. If Lewis had purchased then he would have different charges.

If no one purchased the drugs, then this is a tough case.

Todd

If no one purchased the drugs, then this is a tough case.

But wouldn't "intent" be all that's required for "conspiracy"?

I mean, it's not all that uncommon to prosecute "conspiracy to commit murder" AFAIK without an actual murder taking place, nor even completing a deal with a hitman(informant).

Seems like the same situation here, since he's charged with intent, not with the actual act. That seems to me to render the completion of the transaction irrelevant.

But wouldn't "intent" be all that's required for "conspiracy"?

I mean, it's not all that uncommon to prosecute "conspiracy to commit murder" AFAIK without an actual murder taking place, nor even completing a deal with a hitman(informant).

Seems like the same situation here, since he's charged with intent, not with the actual act. That seems to me to render the completion of the transaction irrelevant.

Well, "possession with intent to sell" is a way to get drug dealers without catching them in a sale. One has to have the drugs in order to intend to sell them

What they seem to be charged with is intending to acquire drugs with the intent to sell them.

This one really stretches it for me. A buddy and I watching the ND/Syracuse game last year, discussed killing Danny Miller after he undercut our beloved Melo not once, but twice. Are we guilty of conspiracy to commit murder, even though we decided it was not in our best interests to do so?

I would be a terrible juror. I would apply common sense over the written law in almost every case.

Are we guilty of conspiracy to commit murder, even though we decided it was not in our best interests to do so?
Now I'm really stretching my memory of similar incidents here, maybe even mixing in an L&O episode unintentionally but ... if I hazard a guess, I believe the distinction is drawn between "intent" (were you seriously planning to kill him) and "theoretical"/"hypothetical" (there was no real intent to actually kill the guy and that was understood by both parties to the conversation).

I believe the lesson here might be "keep those theoreticals to yourself", because I believe a conspiracy must include more than one person http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif

Well, "possession with intent to sell" is a way to get drug dealers without catching them in a sale. One has to have the drugs in order to intend to sell them

What they seem to be charged with is intending to acquire drugs with the intent to sell them.

This one really stretches it for me. A buddy and I watching the ND/Syracuse game last year, discussed killing Danny Miller after he undercut our beloved Melo not once, but twice. Are we guilty of conspiracy to commit murder, even though we decided it was not in our best interests to do so?

I would be a terrible juror. I would apply common sense over the written law in almost every case.

Intent and Conspiracy are different things, intent being much more serious in the criminal sense. Attempted Murder requires an actual attempt being made at murder. Conspiracy to commit murder requires much less - only that some REAL steps are taken down a path toward the act of murder. Discussing bumping off Danny Miller isn't conspiracy, but contacting a hitman and negotiating rates for that purpose certainly is. Where the line is in between is where the conspiracy cases are decided - Lewis must have done more than just "discuss" getting drugs, but making the effort to contact those who can do it, may be enough. There must be an act. Though, realize this is much less serious then actually attempting drug distribution.