That honor goes to the Arizona Cardinals. They just signed their 2nd first round choice Calvin Pace, but didn't leave enough money to sign their other first rounder Bryant Johnson. How stupid can you be? Atleast the Bengals went to a couple of Super Bowls in the 1980s, have a new stadium, and a potential great coach in Marvin Lewis. What do the Cardinals have?

Originally posted by bigdawg2003
What do the Cardinals have?

Emmitt Smith... :(

Bill Gramatica

Very impressive...perhaps their cap managers should play a few seasons of FOF so that they can better understand the salary cap system. :)

How can a team with so few decent players be up near the cap limit?

They are near their rookie cap limit which is different than the regular cap. They do have enough money but not enough to give the 17th pick more money than the 18th pick. That is the dumb part.

Todd

Ah, yes. Now I see.

wow, that franchise is pathetic

Would have never happened if they had the auto-signing "feature" in FOF 4.

The title of this thread is just false. That's all I have to say about that.

Actually it wasn't their second round pick, but their second pick of the first round. Somewhere along the line they determined they would never sign the furst guy, which brings the obvious question of why even draft him.

Now as that other guy, you have to wonder what does this guy do to make a living next year. Arizona can't trade him and they can't sign him. They own his rights though. I can smell a lawsuit in the making.

Originally posted by damnMikeBrown
The title of this thread is just false. That's all I have to say about that.

You tell 'em, Forrest.

Originally posted by Leonidas
Actually it wasn't their second round pick, but their second pick of the first round. Somewhere along the line they determined they would never sign the furst guy, which brings the obvious question of why even draft him.

Now as that other guy, you have to wonder what does this guy do to make a living next year. Arizona can't trade him and they can't sign him. They own his rights though. I can smell a lawsuit in the making.

Couldn't the league or the union force a trade? Or even an outright release?

Isn't it like baseball where they hold his rights for a year and then he can re-enter the draft the next year? Wasn't that what McGahee was planning to do if he got drafted too late in the draft?

Of course, holding out and not being able to sign are two different things...

Originally posted by bigdawg2003
At least the Bengals have a new stadium,

What has that to do with Sports ?

That's almost as bad as the Browns who purposely drafted players a round earlier than they should have went in order to force them to sign mandatory 5 year contracts. The plan backfired when all draftee's decided to hold out :(.

Actually, if the club is at fault for not being able to sign a player I believe they lose the rights to him and he becomes a restricted free agent. They could then match a regular offer for him instead of a rookie contract. They may have decided to go this route thinking they have enough regular cap room to cover any offers made.

This could be completely wrong, but I remember hearing something about this a couple years back.

Well if Bryant signed a little sooner he wouldn't have that problem. It's his own fault and his agents fault that he is getting screwed over by the team. I say good for him.

You know, I thought about this for awhile and I know there are a few teams that are FAR beyond the Bengals in stupidity level...:


Carolina Panthers : Dumbest rocks in the league
Arizona: nuff said
CHICAGO BEARS: this team needs an enima
NY Jets: no-one with a brain lets that much talent walk in one season

there are others too but not nearly at the level of these teams:
Detroit : they're getting better, slowly
San Francisco: Talk about idiots, Mariucci kept this team together
Seattle: do I really need a reason?
Minnesota: this is just the Vikings lifestyle, they can't fart without screwing it up and losing a player....


The Bengals are steps ahead of these teams in competance right now, if not pure talent over most of those above, though now that I look at it, only the niners may have more raw talent on the team....


Go BEngals!

They could sign the #17 pick (Bryant). He wouldn't get as good a contract as the #18 (Pace), but there is an offer on the table. There's still something like $1million in the rookie pool for salary and bonuses. Of course, Bryant would have to kick himself for not signing earlier, and the Cardinals would have to do something creative, like escalators, voidable years, incentives, and options. Things like that make Bidwell's head spin.

This is f'in funny and that's all there is to it. I mean, Bidwell $ Co. are worse than the FOF2k1 AI. And that's saying something....


-Anxiety

Originally posted by RendeR
Actually, if the club is at fault for not being able to sign a player I believe they lose the rights to him and he becomes a restricted free agent. They could then match a regular offer for him instead of a rookie contract. They may have decided to go this route thinking they have enough regular cap room to cover any offers made.

This could be completely wrong, but I remember hearing something about this a couple years back.
I am not sure about this. This is not a clear case of the club being at fault for not being able to sign him. They have enough to pay him the minimum. The Cardinals do not have enough left in the rookie cap to give him what his draft "slot" is worth, but I don't think anything in the CBA guarantees him that, like the NBA does. They do have enough to offer him a contract though, so they have probably met their CBA obligations.

I think you are wrong about what happens if they cannot. The vikes came very close to not signing McKinnie last year, and the deal was, they had until week 10 or so to sign him. If they did not do that, he could not be signed for the year, and he would either be signed by the Vikes after the season, or have gone into the following draft.

Originally posted by Anxiety
I mean, Bidwell $ Co. are worse than the FOF2k1 AI.
Funny, on topic in both the thread and overall board content. I give this post a thumbs up.

Not to throw a wrench into this "bash the Cardinals thread", but there's an ESPN story saying that the Cardinals signed Bryant Johnson with a "creative contract" :eek:

"ESPN.com has learned that Johnson, the 17th player chosen overall, has reached contract agreement with the Cardinals on a five-year deal worth in excess of $8 million in "base" value, and which could net him as much as $12 million, if escalators are triggered."

http://espn.go.com/nfl/columns/misc/1587198.html]

The Cardinals used escalators in a contract, hell must be freezing over ;)

Arlie

Oh my God!!! Someone check the grounds of the Cardinals training camp for Bill Bidwell's dead, buried, corpse. He must have died, and taken son Michael with him. The Cards would never do something like that for TWO players in one year. The Bidwells must have been replaced with a pair of battling seizure robots (TM GrantDawg).

Damn, Arles, breaking up a perfectly good bashing thread ;).

The Bengals mat not be the stupidest, but they are the worst!

Actually, the Cardinals are also worse off than the Bengals. Cincy has at least made it to a Super Bowl and currently has some talent, if they can put it all together. Arizona can't say any of that.

the bengals made it to 2 superbowls.

arizona is easily the most incompetent franchise in NFL history, even if they haven't sucked quite as bad as the bengals for the past 15 years.

I think being the worst team of the nineties earns them some serious points in the worst team in NFL history contest. However, the Cards probably have them outgunned.

The Lions are coming!!!

Next month, I'M starting up the "who's the worst NFL franchise ever" thread, OK?