The Sitcom Sanitarium: The Return of Werewolf (Game Over - Village wins / Telle Wins)

[The Jackal]

He means that if you're a villager you should already know if villagers get to PM and not need to be pondering it "out loud" in the game.

Aren't we all (except the wolves) technically villagers? That's what I mean here, usually there aren't PM rights for people beyond the wolves unless there's lover roles or multiple wolf teams like we've seen in some games. If we've got some standard villager roles getting to be on a team and getting to PM, that seems to me to be a bonus for our overall win conditions. Can't speak to the random individual win conditions but also don't care about those in the grand scheme of things

I don't see the harm in that being "pondered out loud", nor I guess is it super relevant at this point how many wolves there are, especially since we don't know whether conversions are a possibility, though there's so much unknown that I'd expect it is under certain conditions

[Julio Riddols]

Could there be 3 teams or would that be too much? We have a brown, a green and a red name in post 3. Surely there is a reason for that.

Maybe there is a small batch of characters that have motives completely ulterior to sussing out wolves or killing off villagers.

I think we really have to consider that we only truly know ourselves and what we can do, and we know that JAG is Bud Bundy and he may have allegiance to any of potentially 3 teams.

I'm eager to hear font's explanation for her odd vote habits which have at this point resulted in no vote for day 1. Still some other people yet to check in today as well, I'd like their take on the current state of affairs as well.

[The Jackal]

Unless I'm misunderstanding and the "villager" led Burns team is something the village needs to deal with too? I suppose there aren't even win conditions listed in the rules now that I read back again

[The Jackal]

Do we know if we win if the wolf team is defeated? Has that been covered previously that I've missed?

[Julio Riddols]

Maybe the ultimate goal is to escape this facility, heh.

[bhlloy]

The rules do say two people are captains, so I think it's safe to assume two teams FWIW

[Julio Riddols]

Ah yeah, two team captains. Ok then.

[bhlloy]

I think if I was wolf captain my first pick would be Skippy - not only going to scan as villager but breaks the seer scans for the rest of the game.

In fact, I'd be willing to bet my strategy would be to draft that person and then try to draw a scan on day 1

[bhlloy]

I'd also probably go after Nessman, to try and find people with particular skills? A lot of the roles are pretty vague but those are the two that stand out to me

[bhlloy]

Following that logic, I feel like one person has already said something designed to attract subtle attention, so let's do this for now

[bhlloy]

Vote Jackal

[bhlloy]

Russell is also an obvious high pick for both teams. Getting solidly into "what if" now but in strategy above Skippy and Russell would be a good combo - try to draw the scan on day 1 with a protect in the back pocket

[Abe Sargent]

Aren't we all (except the wolves) technically villagers? That's what I mean here, usually there aren't PM rights for people beyond the wolves unless there's lover roles or multiple wolf teams like we've seen in some games. If we've got some standard villager roles getting to be on a team and getting to PM, that seems to me to be a bonus for our overall win conditions. Can't speak to the random individual win conditions but also don't care about those in the grand scheme of things

I don't see the harm in that being "pondered out loud", nor I guess is it super relevant at this point how many wolves there are, especially since we don't know whether conversions are a possibility, though there's so much unknown that I'd expect it is under certain conditions

Let's follow that pondered out loud to its logical conclusion.

It is possible we could have lovers here? Sure! But what roles? This is a flavor-first game, right? It's not like Dallas and Bud are getting a little kinky behind the scenes, because they are from different shows. In fact, I don't know that any of these characters are from the same show either. And how could you plan to have lovers for the village if people that are lovers could be drafted by the wolves? That makes no sense. So the only way a lovers-esque role that would work for the village is a post-draft one that connected someone. But who would that make sense for? Jeffrey Murdock's "loyalty?" I feel like that 's a reach. At best, I think any musings on villagers with PMs is just chipping at a wall made of adamantium with a toothbrush, barring some sort of something that we see to suggest it.

[Abe Sargent]

As of right now, I still don't see a stronger alternative to fontisian.

[Abe Sargent]

Vote fontisian

[bhlloy]

I like font as a possible cultist. I just don't see the wolf captain bring that loud and bold on day 0, and nobody else knew their alignment at that point

[Julio Riddols]

What trips me out is that almost every character has a built in flaw seemingly. They might get distracted, or they might not see things right, etc. We'll hardly be able to trust what we learn from using our skills.

And there are 15 roles up there but only 13 players, so who knows which 2 roles don't exist. I think the only guaranteed roles are the 3 colored roles and Bud Bundy at this point.

[Julio Riddols]

Did anyone know their alignment during day 0?

[Julio Riddols]

Ok, the captains apparently.

Sorry, my reading comprehension seems like it has gone kinda shitty. I keep having to go back and re-read the first few posts.

[Autumn]

I like font as a possible cultist. I just don't see the wolf captain bring that loud and bold on day 0, and nobody else knew their alignment at that point

It only occurred to me right now that yes, the captains knew their allegiance day 0. I've been thinking that day zero was useless, but of course (and I'm sure you've all been thinking it already) we might be able to gain some information on what a captain would do. Will probably only be useful later in the game when we've narrowed things down.

[Autumn]

Unless I'm misunderstanding and the "villager" led Burns team is something the village needs to deal with too? I suppose there aren't even win conditions listed in the rules now that I read back again

The villagers *are* the Burns-led team. You seem to be suggesting some sort of inner circle? My understanding is that other than the colored roles, every player could have been on either team, and that every player was either drafted by the wolves or by the villagers. Are you suggesting that some subset of villagers could PM? Because I believe Burns "selected" all of the villagers.

[Julio Riddols]

This makes me wonder if the people who broke the tie late are people that need to be considered.. Or the person the vote was moved off of. I can't think for the life of me what the motive for that would have been if nobody was going to die on night zero anyway.

I feel like a tie would have potentially revealed 2 roles, and one of those roles was protected.. Possibly by one of the captains.

[Autumn]

This makes me wonder if the people who broke the tie late are people that need to be considered.. Or the person the vote was moved off of. I can't think for the life of me what the motive for that would have been if nobody was going to die on night zero anyway.

I feel like a tie would have potentially revealed 2 roles, and one of those roles was protected.. Possibly by one of the captains.

But at that point no one knew any roles but their own, correct? So definitely a captain about to get revealed might make a move, but they couldn't coordinate with anyone else.

[Julio Riddols]

I wonder. I guess the captains probably drafted based on character names and not our usernames.

I think maybe I'm just slightly bitter because I think a tie would have been worthwhile even if the mechanism for a tie was different on day 0 than it will be from here on out, heh.

[Julio Riddols]

My thought was that if a captain had a specific role in mind that they wanted to keep out of the spotlight, that that captain could have made a move to keep the role from being revealed, as some of these roles are pretty descriptive and the knowledge of who has one of the more powerful roles would have been a big deal for one team or the other.

[Julio Riddols]

Times like this I wish I was a more experienced player. I gotta defer to the more experienced of you and try to get a deeper understanding of motives and reasoning that way. I'll check back in later and try to absorb what I can.

[The Jackal]

The villagers *are* the Burns-led team. You seem to be suggesting some sort of inner circle? My understanding is that other than the colored roles, every player could have been on either team, and that every player was either drafted by the wolves or by the villagers. Are you suggesting that some subset of villagers could PM? Because I believe Burns "selected" all of the villagers.

Are you suggesting that the people not selected on those two teams are -not- villagers (aside from maybe the neutral)? I think this is becoming a semantics discussion.

Wolves = bad
Villagers = good

But are we saying people not on Burns' team are not "villagers" in this sense? Does Burns team actually have our best interests at heart? My original feeling on that 2nd question was that yes, it's just a team of villagers that's actually able to PM and that's good for the village overall, but now I don't know

[Autumn]

My thought was that if a captain had a specific role in mind that they wanted to keep out of the spotlight, that that captain could have made a move to keep the role from being revealed, as some of these roles are pretty descriptive and the knowledge of who has one of the more powerful roles would have been a big deal for one team or the other.

Yeah, if they knew something about usernames, I could see that. But I think not knowing roles, they couldn't infer anything from the day zero movement. Unless the choices they made in the draft suggested to them a tie would either be good or bad for their team.

[The Jackal]

Let's follow that pondered out loud to its logical conclusion.

It is possible we could have lovers here? Sure! But what roles? This is a flavor-first game, right? It's not like Dallas and Bud are getting a little kinky behind the scenes, because they are from different shows. In fact, I don't know that any of these characters are from the same show either. And how could you plan to have lovers for the village if people that are lovers could be drafted by the wolves? That makes no sense. So the only way a lovers-esque role that would work for the village is a post-draft one that connected someone. But who would that make sense for? Jeffrey Murdock's "loyalty?" I feel like that 's a reach. At best, I think any musings on villagers with PMs is just chipping at a wall made of adamantium with a toothbrush, barring some sort of something that we see to suggest it.

Either I confused myself with semantics or I'm on some different page - are we considering the Burns led team to be essentially another team that the rest of us need to eliminate in addition to the wolves? Maybe it was the green coloring, but it seemed to me this is a "good guy" team, why is it weird to suggest they are able to PM?

[The Jackal]

If I'm being obtuse please let me know, maybe I need another red eye haha

[Autumn]

Either I confused myself with semantics or I'm on some different page - are we considering the Burns led team to be essentially another team that the rest of us need to eliminate in addition to the wolves? Maybe it was the green coloring, but it seemed to me this is a "good guy" team, why is it weird to suggest they are able to PM?

Because by suggesting so you're suggesting that you're not on the good team?

[EagleFan]

EagleFan - Can you elaborate at all on Klink's power? "The first vote against him on any day will result in him learning the role of the player who voted against him." Does that mean the first of ANY vote? Or the first vote that's still counted at the end of the game (thus not unvoted)?

I clearly didn't anticipate the vote everyone play.

Today will be the first vote. From here forward it will be the first official end of the day vote.

[EagleFan]

Votes as of post 282

The Jackal 2 - Autumn (244), bhlloy (261)
britrock88 1 - JAG (206)
Autumn 1 - Julio Riddols (232)
Telle 1 - britrock88 (238)
fontisian 1 - Abe Sargent (265)

[Telle]

Aren't we all (except the wolves) technically villagers? That's what I mean here, usually there aren't PM rights for people beyond the wolves unless there's lover roles or multiple wolf teams like we've seen in some games. If we've got some standard villager roles getting to be on a team and getting to PM, that seems to me to be a bonus for our overall win conditions. Can't speak to the random individual win conditions but also don't care about those in the grand scheme of things

I don't see the harm in that being "pondered out loud", nor I guess is it super relevant at this point how many wolves there are, especially since we don't know whether conversions are a possibility, though there's so much unknown that I'd expect it is under certain conditions

Well if we have a wolf team and a village team (plus a neutral individual I guess, if that role isn't one of the two not in the game?) then everybody are pretty much either wolves or villagers. Thus if you don't know if the villagers can PM, then you're not a villager.. 'cause you should know if you can PM or not, right? Unless you were specifically talking about some subset of the villagers, which may be what you've been trying to say in later posts? I actually got somewhat confused..

[Telle]

Votes as of post 282

The Jackal 2 - Autumn (244), bhlloy (261)
britrock88 1 - JAG (206)
Autumn 1 - Julio Riddols (232)
Telle 1 - britrock88 (238)
fontisian 1 - Abe Sargent (265)

Yet to vote: cheekimonk, tarcone, The Jackal, Chief Rum, Telle, mauchow

[britrock88]

I clearly didn't anticipate the vote everyone play.

Today will be the first vote. From here forward it will be the first official end of the day vote.

EF, no repeats might make more sense. A player who's willing to park their vote can still break this mechanic.

[britrock88]

My thought was that if a captain had a specific role in mind that they wanted to keep out of the spotlight, that that captain could have made a move to keep the role from being revealed, as some of these roles are pretty descriptive and the knowledge of who has one of the more powerful roles would have been a big deal for one team or the other.

Lemme jump in--the teams were drafted overnight, as far as I can tell. And neither captain would have knowledge of players or their roles before the draft (with Natalie becoming aware afterward--dunno about Burns).

[britrock88]

EagleFan - Can you elaborate at all on Klink's power? "The first vote against him on any day will result in him learning the role of the player who voted against him." Does that mean the first of ANY vote? Or the first vote that's still counted at the end of the game (thus not unvoted)?

I like font as a possible cultist. I just don't see the wolf captain bring that loud and bold on day 0, and nobody else knew their alignment at that point

The more interesting question to me is what this might imply about Font's role. Her play doesn't strike me as unusual for her--she's a thoughtful and proactive villager, and an equally active/distracting wolf (relying on long-ago impressions here).

Anyway, her willingness to role-block Klink suggests that she doesn't mind having Klink--who may be likelier than the average role to be Bad--knowing her role. It could be that she's in a role with seemingly pedestrian power. It could be that she's seeking identification as a fellow Bad. I dunno.

[Telle]

I don't think the rules are really clear on exactly when the team leaders choose the roles they want on their teams. The draft is listed under "Day 0", but so is everyone learning their alignments which didn't happen until the night.

[britrock88]

Well if we have a wolf team and a village team (plus a neutral individual I guess, if that role isn't one of the two not in the game?) then everybody are pretty much either wolves or villagers. Thus if you don't know if the villagers can PM, then you're not a villager.. 'cause you should know if you can PM or not, right? Unless you were specifically talking about some subset of the villagers, which may be what you've been trying to say in later posts? I actually got somewhat confused..

Focusing just on the first part of this, as I'm fairly confident we'll all be thinking about Jackal until lynch.

13 players in the game.
1 neutral, for my money.
We're looking at 9-3-1 as our likeliest distribution, I think. I could see a +/- of 1 depending on the relative power of the roles in play.

[britrock88]

Unvote Telle
Vote The Jackal

[britrock88]

Applying some pressure. Telle, I've taken my cursor off you, but grace us with a vote, would you? :)

[Telle]

Applying some pressure. Telle, I've taken my cursor off you, but grace us with a vote, would you? :)

Yeah and I've only got about 15 minutes to figure out my vote.. I have plans most of the evening and can't guarantee that I'll have a chance to get online before 10pm EST. I hate these early votes! :)

[britrock88]

Roles

Not all roles may be in the game.


Larry Dallas - The consummate playboy, always looking to get lucky. He may choose someone each night to seduce, this will prevent that person from performing any actions.

Terri Alden - She's not helping people any more. This nurse has now become a mistress of pain... and death. While she seems mild mannered and sweet, below the surface lies a monster. Any night attack on her will result in the death of the person performing the attack. Be warned, she may think that an attempt to scan or help is an attempted attack. Any other targetting of her will result in the player not having their ability the next day/night.

Major Frank Burns - This ferret will try to tattle on anyone. Each night he may scan another player to find out if that player is up to no good. He wants to tattle on them but he knows that everyone is out to get him. Instead of tattling he may make a one time night attack of a player that he has previously scanned. Once using that attack he loses scan ability. Oh, and he is a little paranoid so his scans may not always be accurate.

Natalie Green - Tired of being the nice girl, always letting everyone run her over. That stops now.

Irwin "Skippy" Handelman - Always love-sick for anyone that looks his way. He has gotten over Mallory by latching on to anyone that looks his way. This means that anyone that looks his way cannot get rid of him. If he is scanned at night he will annoy the scanner so much that any subsequent scan by that player during the game will result in an opposite scan of what it would have been.

Colonel Wilhelm Klink - No one will pull the wool over his monocle again. He now rules with an iron fist. The first vote against him on any day will result in him learning the role of the player who voted against him.

Les Nessman - Always the newsman, he is looking for a scoop under ever rock. Les may follow one person each night to see what that person was up to. He may not always see it exactly right as he has never been quite right since that turkey incident.

Rosalind "Roz" Russell - Ready with a sarcastic remark at all times. Also the most loyal person you may find. She will lay it all on the line for whomever she aligns with. She may protect someone each night, only she will know the exact details of how that will work.

Vinton Harper - Not the brightest bulb in the box. His abilities are unknown, maybe even to him.

Potsie Weber - An outcast with a big heart. At least that is how he appears to everyone, the truth is much darker...

Samuel "Screech" Powers - The nerd of the group. Always the outcast. Always trying to fit in. May be a deviant but always a friendly one. Will try to date someone each night only to annoy them for the night. The problem is, he can be easily distracted and may stray from his original target because someone else smiled at him.

Bud Bundy - Grandmaster B to his friends. He will be the life of the party, in his own mind. Tries to fit in with the others but sticks to himself in reality. May develop abilities depending on his alignment.

Wayne Arnold - Always the bullying big brother. He will find someone to do his bidding.

Mel Sharples - Make no mistake, he is in charge.

Jeffrey Murdock - A very odd bird, yet loyal. He has many theories about life as we know it. Beware the giggle loop and the melty man.

My thoughts on the roles...


Larry Dallas - Typical role blocker. Probably not a high priority for wolves.

Terri Alden I'm presuming from the coloring is neutral, did EF say the neutral got to draft anyone? Could kill a wolf, so good to keep around if we can.

So Burns can scan but not reveal his scans, is that everyone's take? But can make a one-time kill. So we want to keep him alive long enough to find a wolf. Or a supposed one, since his scan isn't 100%

Natalie - I assume the night kill is her special move.

Skippy - Adds to the unreliability of scans, meaning we need to focus on other intelligence.

Klink - Might be a high target for both teams to draft.

Nessman - Not clear how much detail Les gets from following someone. Typically would just be that they had a night action. Again, an unreliable one, so not too much use.

Roz - Some type of bodyguard, high priority draft for either side really, but more likely villagers.

Harper - completely mystery. Probably not a wolf priority.

Potsie Weber seems worrisome, maybe a vigilante, with a one-time kill? Someone the wolves might try to draft.

Both Screech and Bud say "always trying to fit in", which seems important somehow. Another role blocker? But unreliable.

Not sure what Bud's writeup would mean. Unfortunately, since I was hoping we'd find a role we could use to confirm allegiance somehow.

Wayne Arnold - moves a vote I assume?

Mel Sharples - probably a duke role

Murdock - Again the phrase "loyal". Does this mean that we have a conversion mechanic at play?


If I had to guess what the wolves might have prioritized, I'd say Klink, Potsie, Mel and Wayne. In a small game controlling even one vote could be a game changer, as would an extra kill, and knowing roles would be very helpful for the wolves. Though thinking on the second level, captain might have mixed it up to throw us off the path. How many wolves do we think? Two or three? If there's a possibility of conversion, which I think is likely, probably just two.

Just putting these together for convenience's sake. Hoping to mull this over for a bit, but no time now.

[Telle]

Yet to vote: cheekimonk, tarcone, The Jackal, Chief Rum, Telle, mauchow

Sorry.. left out fontisian too as someone yet to vote. I was looking for people with blanks in my spreadsheet, and didn't think about all the voting and then unvoting technically ending in an unvote.

[Telle]

Ok, I'm going with fontisian. Mostly because I don't want to bandwagon on The Jackal.

Have we speculated yet on whether or not fontisian might actually BE Klink? All that voting could just be a distraction. She can't vote for herself, so it wouldn't diminish her ability. But then there's still the question of would Klink be a villager or a wolf?

Well sorry to vote and run, but as I mentioned just previously I may not be around again before deadline.

[Telle]

vote fontisian

[fontisian]

Autumn, fontisian, I was looking at the roles last night and trying to figure out, if I was Nat, who'd I'd draft, and I think there are two ways and two strategies to do it.

1). Go for the night-win. Draft two roles you think would really help, and then go for wins with the various decisions and such

2). Go for thread-play. Grab two roles you think have little value and won't be hunted much in thread. Then try to win here.


And I suppose #3, try to balance it.

If I were Natalie the head bad, I think I'd go the thread-play route and grad weaker roles, in order to push things around, but I could see folks doing the other as well, you know?
I would probably go for the night win strategy. I suppose it heavily depends on whether town will be punished for forcing a mass role claim.

[fontisian]

Ok, I'm going with fontisian. Mostly because I don't want to bandwagon on The Jackal.

Have we speculated yet on whether or not fontisian might actually BE Klink? All that voting could just be a distraction. She can't vote for herself, so it wouldn't diminish her ability. But then there's still the question of would Klink be a villager or a wolf?

Well sorry to vote and run, but as I mentioned just previously I may not be around again before deadline.
Telle, if I was klink, why would I introduce the idea at all?

I was going to say that I don't like way Abe is pursuing my lynch, but considering that it started in Day 0, likely before he knew his alignment, it can't really be considered alignment indicative, which is frustrating.

If the town team leader recruited all of the town roles, then couldn't we just all claim our roles and have the town leader point out which ones he didn't recruit? Surely it can't be that easy, which means drafting must have worked differently.

[fontisian]

Could there be 3 teams or would that be too much? We have a brown, a green and a red name in post 3. Surely there is a reason for that.

Maybe there is a small batch of characters that have motives completely ulterior to sussing out wolves or killing off villagers.

I think we really have to consider that we only truly know ourselves and what we can do, and we know that JAG is Bud Bundy and he may have allegiance to any of potentially 3 teams.

I'm eager to hear font's explanation for her odd vote habits which have at this point resulted in no vote for day 1. Still some other people yet to check in today as well, I'd like their take on the current state of affairs as well.
I think Julio Riddols is probably town. The way he's thinking about my play without being accusatory or seeking out a mislynch seems way townier than other approaches.

[fontisian]

I'm trying to decide whether to pile on the The Jackal for the point about villager pms, or to follow my gut and vote for Telle. I also don't want to seem like I'm omgusing or only focusing on the people who are talking about me, though it is a bit easier for me to read them.

My issue with Telle is the line "Well sorry to vote and run" because it seems so out of place? Everyone is voting and running, there's no real full time thread presence from anyway, so why apologize unless you're worried about be called a wolf for it down the line? Can anyone with meta on Telle chime in here?

[EagleFan]

Votes as of post 300

The Jackal 3 - Autumn (244), bhlloy (261), britrock88 (291)
fontisian 2 - Abe Sargent (265), Telle (297)
britrock88 1 - JAG (206)
Autumn 1 - Julio Riddols (232)

[britrock88]

I'm trying to decide whether to pile on the The Jackal for the point about villager pms, or to follow my gut and vote for Telle. I also don't want to seem like I'm omgusing or only focusing on the people who are talking about me, though it is a bit easier for me to read them.

My issue with Telle is the line "Well sorry to vote and run" because it seems so out of place? Everyone is voting and running, there's no real full time thread presence from anyway, so why apologize unless you're worried about be called a wolf for it down the line? Can anyone with meta on Telle chime in here?

My issue with your reaction here is that I'm noticing the converse of omgusing--you're complimenting JR's approach which happens not to implicate you. Could be an attempt to build trust across team lines.

I don't have a meta on Telle--he hasn't posted on the forum in 4.5 years before this game, and hadn't played any WW for a year before that, which takes us back to the beginning of my time here. Sorry.

[mauchow]

I've been reading and not contributing but really only because it's day 1. I think people are reading too much into things this far.

However, the point about font trying to gain trust via riddols is interesting but only a little at this point. Something to hang onto for down the road possibly.

My wolf radar for jackal always pings, and that goes way back.. I feel it only a little so far vs more than I usually do.

Going to get my sick kiddo and get some time in front of computer to read more closely.

[britrock88]

Would love to see some Cheeki and Tarc...

[britrock88]

Okay. Role analysis (asterisks for roles with apparent night actions):

Larry Dallas* - role-blocker; probably town
Terri Alden* - neutral booby-trap (I've forgotten all the WW role jargon); what's her WC?
Major Burns* - flawed seer with a one-time NK; Good captain
Natalie Green* - (brutal?) wolf with NK; Bad captain
Skippy Handelman - scan-wrecker; more valuable as Bad?
Colonel Klink - role-learner, which seems alignment-neutral
Les Nessman* - flawed spy; leans Good, IMO
Roz Russell* - BG of some kind
Vinton Harper - village idiot?
Potsie Weber - hunter? another neutral role???
Screech Powers* - action-frustrater; leans Bad
Bud Bundy - another neutral role???
Wayne Arnold* - action-redirecter, cunning?; leans Bad
Mel Sharples - mayor? alpha wolf?
Jeffrey Murdock - ?

Extra ???s for possible neutrals because I really think there's only one.

...Man, I forgot how vague some of these were.

[mauchow]

vote tarcone

[mauchow]

Tarcone hasn't said anything yet other than to vote me yesterday. A quiet wolf is more valuable than a quiet villager.

[cheekimonk]

Catching up, Julio got a little snippy at being voted, or not, by font. Smacks of town a little. Still not sure of font's strategy or JAG following on her heels. Is that mass vote/unvote a WW game meta now?

Oh well, just tossing a lure in the pond...


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[britrock88]

Catching up, Julio got a little snippy at being voted, or not, by font. Smacks of town a little. Still not sure of font's strategy or JAG following on her heels. Is that mass vote/unvote a WW game meta now?

I think both Font and JAG were trying to counteract Col. Klink's role-detecting power.

[cheekimonk]

Vote Chief Rum

*Edited for bold formatting


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[The Jackal]

Well if we have a wolf team and a village team (plus a neutral individual I guess, if that role isn't one of the two not in the game?) then everybody are pretty much either wolves or villagers. Thus if you don't know if the villagers can PM, then you're not a villager.. 'cause you should know if you can PM or not, right? Unless you were specifically talking about some subset of the villagers, which may be what you've been trying to say in later posts? I actually got somewhat confused..

What I'm trying to say is that my assumption was that the team that Burns picked as a good aligned, villager team, was able to PM - do we think that's not the case? Why would there be two "teams" then? Would he just have been able to pick people so that the wolf team wouldn't be able to add them?

I guess the main point from all of this is do we think Burns is able to PM with the people he picked - my initial assumption was yes, which is why I thought there'd be 3+ wolves, which is all I was trying to say originally...

[mauchow]

use [ b ] [ / b] from tapatalk.... lame I know.

[The Jackal]

But we also don't need to discuss the Burns team being able to PM piece if it's not going to help us as a village, so I'm happy to abandon it - the only reason to keep the thread alive is if it actually means that there's two teams we need to actively worry about and not just the wolves

[mauchow]

But we also don't need to discuss the Burns team being able to PM piece if it's not going to help us as a village, so I'm happy to abandon it - the only reason to keep the thread alive is if it actually means that there's two teams we need to actively worry about and not just the wolves
I think it's an interesting topic - but it's all speculation still. Any conversation about how many wolves there may be is always an important topic though. I don't think you should stop.

[fontisian]

Unvote
Vote The Jackal

[fontisian]

I think Jackal is thinking about a town pming group because the idea came up in wolf chat and he feels like he has to talk about /something/.

The other possibility is that he's part of a small town group with pm abilities, which would suck, but in that case he'd have to be pretty crazy to bring it up of his own volition.

[Autumn]

What I'm trying to say is that my assumption was that the team that Burns picked as a good aligned, villager team, was able to PM - do we think that's not the case? Why would there be two "teams" then? Would he just have been able to pick people so that the wolf team wouldn't be able to add them?

I guess the main point from all of this is do we think Burns is able to PM with the people he picked - my initial assumption was yes, which is why I thought there'd be 3+ wolves, which is all I was trying to say originally...

I feel like we're talking in circles, but based on different ideas about how the "draft" worked. My opinion is that the village Captain didn't just draft a few people to add to a private team that can PM. My understanding is that the Captain drafted *all* of the villagers. But I guess I'm not really sure how either of those scenarios would actually work. Schoolyard pick back and forth between town and village for a few picks, and then the village gets the rest? In which case it's really just a fight over the top one or two roles.

In contrast, Jackal's idea suggest that the Village captain drafts one or two to add to a PM circle. That would be a huge advantage for the village, and not how I thought it worked, but I suppose is possible. Maybe it would offset the handicapped abilities of the good roles. Still, I assume it's not the case.

[The Jackal]

I think Jackal is thinking about a town pming group because the idea came up in wolf chat and he feels like he has to talk about /something/.

The other possibility is that he's part of a small town group with pm abilities, which would suck, but in that case he'd have to be pretty crazy to bring it up of his own volition.

Clearly I came to an assumption that most people did not come to regarding the teams, but the only reason I brought it up in the first place was to support my random thoughts about how many wolves there might be, it's pretty interesting that this has taken on a life of its own, though I guess it's D1 so what am I gonna do

[The Jackal]

Seems like I'm probably going to be the vote since it's D1, but you're not gonna learn anything useful. If you have any questions about my original post feel free to ask, was really just trying to theorize about the ruleset/possible team sizes

[The Jackal]

Since it's early I really don't have any strong alternative candidates, unfortunately for me, I'm still at work but maybe I can try and dig something up when I get home from today's banter

[The Jackal]

I think Jackal is thinking about a town pming group because the idea came up in wolf chat and he feels like he has to talk about /something/.

Yeah.. I really felt forced to talk about something early in the day, this is probably the weakest case for voting me I've seen so far

[The Jackal]

I was likely going to vote font anyways for self preservation but that post actually makes me feel much better about it

[The Jackal]

vote font

[The Jackal]

Plus the continued blatant disregard for the rules and no real explanation as to why..

[The Jackal]

Though the klink targetting doesn't really smell of wolf, cam someone think of a reason why that would behoove them?

[The Jackal]

Could see it being a neutral win condition ploy like getting scanned, or maybe klink and font are both wolves and font is skippy and wants to get the seer scan, but that's probably a bold move this early

[EagleFan]

Votes as of post 327

The Jackal 4 - Autumn (244), bhlloy (261), britrock88 (291), fontisian (316)
fontisian 3 - Abe Sargent (265), Telle (297), The Jackal (324)
britrock88 1 - JAG (206)
Autumn 1 - Julio Riddols (232)
tarcone 1 - mauchow (307)
Chief Rum 1 - cheekimonk (311)

[The Jackal]

Or maybe font is klink, that'd be tricky except JAG probably accounted for that with his votes

[Abe Sargent]

Times like this I wish I was a more experienced player. I gotta defer to the more experienced of you and try to get a deeper understanding of motives and reasoning that way. I'll check back in later and try to absorb what I can.

Don't forget that a lot of folks here have taken time away from the game. We're all sort of feeling our oats again, barring anyone from playing elsewhere.

You're good to go, Julio! (See how that rhymed? :p )

[Abe Sargent]

Tarcone hasn't said anything yet other than to vote me yesterday. A quiet wolf is more valuable than a quiet villager.

That is true, and I myself have pushed votes for quiet ones in the past in a lot of my games for the same reason. You can ferret out a lot of wolfery that way.

[Abe Sargent]

Dola, although ti's better to do quiet-votes earlier in the day than close to deadline when they may not be around.

[fontisian]

Plus the continued blatant disregard for the rules and no real explanation as to why..
What disregard would that be, exactly?

Aldo, can I ask why you initially responded to my post without any issues with it and then changed your mind shortly afterwards?

[EagleFan]

Just checked this month's Humble Monthly bundle. Great bundle with three that aren't my style.

Let me know if anyone is interested in:
Metrico+
GoNNER - Press Jump or Die Edition
Super Rude Bear Resurrection

Preferably to three different people to "spread the love" a bit.

Will post this in the Steam thread later tonight if no takers. Wanted to give first crack at it here.

[fontisian]

That is true, and I myself have pushed votes for quiet ones in the past in a lot of my games for the same reason. You can ferret out a lot of wolfery that way.
And yet you're voting me, when I've been anything but quiet. Can I ask why?

[Abe Sargent]

Just because it's a strategy I value doesn't mean I make every vote from it :)

Again, I feel like there is something off here. From the strategy to role-block someone who we have know idea which side they are on, and could give us a lot of great info, especially for a (likely) short game where we need every piece of info possible in order to fend off the wolves.

[fontisian]

Not interested in any of those, thanks though EF.

[fontisian]

Just because it's a strategy I value doesn't mean I make every vote from it :)

Again, I feel like there is something off here. From the strategy to role-block someone who we have know idea which side they are on, and could give us a lot of great info, especially for a (likely) short game where we need every piece of info possible in order to fend off the wolves.
Ok, so what's the best case scenario? Kline is town and he gets natqlie, right? But that's precisely why the scum leader is likely to draft him first. Any other role that he can be attained by the town forcing that perdon to claim, and it wouldn't tell us or him their alignment anyway.

Meanwhile if Kline is a wolf, the wolf learning a new role every day is really valuable, as they'll low whether that person is a wolf or town and they'll be able to factor it into Night kills. It's basically a free rolecop, if something isn't done to stop it. And, if the seer checks kink as a wolf and votes them first the next day, the wolves will know who the seer is.

So yeah, I think the role can do a lot for wolves and very little for toxn, which is why I acted. If I thought I was likely to be a wolf or if I was kink himself, I wouldn't have brought it up.

Do you disagree with any of that?

[Chief Rum]

I clearly made a mistake in not going in thread while at home, when I could have typed up various thoughts. I am now on my phone, so thoughts on the draft and game rules will have to wait until later (after deadline).

FYI, Telle is a woman (as is font). A rare enough occurrence on FOFC that I never forgot.

[fontisian]

Oh, sorry Telle.

[EagleFan]

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[Chief Rum]

Oh, sorry Telle.

I doubt she would be offended, anymore than you are. But thought I should throw it out there.

Thoughts on the two vote leaders...

I think the Jackal roll up is built on pretty flimsy evidence from his post. His post actually brought up to my mind the possibility of an inner circle villager team, something I hadn't considered.

But I don't see going after font as the right way either. She may indeed be a wolf but she is clearly thinking proactively and forcing action, which she started doing on Day 0, likely before she knew her allegiance. I don't see much value in removing her from the game at this point.

Instead, I will focus my vote on a third option, so that we can get more vote info from this one down the line.

[EagleFan]

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[fontisian]

I mean, it does bother me, but if I flipped out every time it happened, I'd never have time for anything else.

Chief, look at Jackal's vote on me, please. The reasoning seems very lazy, though I am admittedly biased.

[Chief Rum]

The four one votes are britrock, Autumn, tarcone and myself. I'm not voting myself and tarcone is newer to WW games, I believe (and has been quiet), so I don't want to push him out yet.

That leaves britrock and Autumn. JAG voted brit and JR voted Autumn. On the basis of JAG being the more experienced player, I will roll with his instinct here for now.

[Chief Rum]

VOTE BRITROCK

[EagleFan]

Votes as of post 346

The Jackal 4 - Autumn (244), bhlloy (261), britrock88 (291), fontisian (316)
fontisian 3 - Abe Sargent (265), Telle (297), The Jackal (324)
britrock88 2 - JAG (206), Chief Rum (346)
Autumn 1 - Julio Riddols (232)
tarcone 1 - mauchow (307)
Chief Rum 1 - cheekimonk (311)

[EagleFan]

Those videos mean, or signify, nothing. I just wanted to add a few videos of the different characters throughout the game.

[Chief Rum]

I mean, it does bother me, but if I flipped out every time it happened, I'd never have time for anything else.

Chief, look at Jackal's vote on me, please. The reasoning seems very lazy, though I am admittedly biased.

Ah, didn't know that bugged you. In that case, if it might also bug Telle, I'm glad I pointed it out .

I don't know that I like or dislike The Jackal's vote on you. Fact is, whatever reason exists, his vote likely ends up on you as the other lynch candidate.

Let's face it. We don't know much about anything right now. Hard for me to definitively judge him, you or anyone in the game on Day 1.

[fontisian]

You know you don't have to go for someone with one vote. Going for someone with zero and then convincing me to get on board would also put them at two, heh.

[EagleFan]

Less than an hour to go. If you haven;t already, get your night actions in, if you have any, or plan on using any so you don't miss out.

Conditional orders are fine, just don't leave it vague. Be specific.

[fontisian]

Ok, but you can find scummy things, even if they are only a little bit so. The game has to start somewhere, even if that starting point is "this feels kind of weird."

[Autumn]

I feel like Jackal's idea about a villager team is unlikely, but it feels like what he was really saying. His defense has felt earnest and not panicked, so I'm thinking I will move elsewhere.

The case for font seems like typical D1 stuff, but actually based on D0 stuff before alignment, so I feel like it's not strong.

Brit's posts feel solid, doing some real work.

Mauchow's post below:

I've been reading and not contributing but really only because it's day 1. I think people are reading too much into things this far.

However, the point about font trying to gain trust via riddols is interesting but only a little at this point. Something to hang onto for down the road possibly.

My wolf radar for jackal always pings, and that goes way back.. I feel it only a little so far vs more than I usually do.

Going to get my sick kiddo and get some time in front of computer to read more closely.

pings me a bit as being one of those "too vague to mean anything but I said something" posts. Tarcone on the other hand hasn't said anything. So I'd rather vote mauchow than Tarcone.

Chief hasn't put a lot up today but what's there is solid.

Leads me with mauchow so far, who has no votes. blah.

[Abe Sargent]

Just checked this month's Humble Monthly bundle. Great bundle with three that aren't my style.

Let me know if anyone is interested in:
Metrico+
GoNNER - Press Jump or Die Edition
Super Rude Bear Resurrection

Preferably to three different people to "spread the love" a bit.

Will post this in the Steam thread later tonight if no takers. Wanted to give first crack at it here.

No thanks, I'm good

[Autumn]

unvote
vote mauchow

[Chief Rum]

Understood, and, yes, we do have to start somewhere. I just feel at this point, I want to exercise caution and not throw anyone under the bus just yet until we get some more night action and lynch results.

[Autumn]

Putting that there for the moment. I'm going to keep looking to see if there's anyone else I'd rather target, but so far I'm not big on any of the lead vote getters.

[Abe Sargent]

I feel like Jackal's idea about a villager team is unlikely, but it feels like what he was really saying. His defense has felt earnest and not panicked, so I'm thinking I will move elsewhere.

The case for font seems like typical D1 stuff, but actually based on D0 stuff before alignment, so I feel like it's not strong.

Brit's posts feel solid, doing some real work.

Mauchow's post below:



pings me a bit as being one of those "too vague to mean anything but I said something" posts. Tarcone on the other hand hasn't said anything. So I'd rather vote mauchow than Tarcone.

Chief hasn't put a lot up today but what's there is solid.

Leads me with mauchow so far, who has no votes. blah.

Mauchow has 24 posts in this thread. I don't think that's a lot of noise for nothing. I don't get that at all.

[EagleFan]

Votes as of post 357

The Jackal 3 - bhlloy (261), britrock88 (291), fontisian (316)
fontisian 3 - Abe Sargent (265), Telle (297), The Jackal (324)
britrock88 2 - JAG (206), Chief Rum (346)
Autumn 1 - Julio Riddols (232)
tarcone 1 - mauchow (307)
Chief Rum 1 - cheekimonk (311)
mauchow 1 - Autumn (355)

[Autumn]

I actually feel decent about that vote, looking back. I feel like the more active players in thread are all sounding good to me, making good points and grappling with the game. I suspect our wolves are among the quieter folk.

[Autumn]

Mauchow has 24 posts in this thread. I don't think that's a lot of noise for nothing. I don't get that at all.

Not sure if you mean what I think you mean, but most of those posts were day zero. Not much content today, and what is there is rather wishy-washy. More so than anyone else, at least.

[mauchow]

I am just essentially reiterating points I agree or disagree with while at least showing myself so I'm not deemed as inactive like tarcone. I've been voted out once.or twice because of accidental inactivity.

Anyways my vote is about to change....

[mauchow]

unvote tarcone

[The Jackal]

What disregard would that be, exactly?

Well, blatant disregard was probably a bit heavy, but it seems like a few of your votes haven't been posted properly, I'd need to go back and check which ones

Aldo, can I ask why you initially responded to my post without any issues with it and then changed your mind shortly afterwards?

I re-read it and it pinged me

[The Jackal]

Since no one has really made me feel any better about font's wolfiness re: the klink ploy, I think I'm going to, for the moment

[The Jackal]

unvote font

[The Jackal]

vote britrock88

[fontisian]

Well, blatant disregard was probably a bit heavy, but it seems like a few of your votes haven't been posted properly, I'd need to go back and check which ones



I re-read it and it pinged me
Ah. For the first batch, I didn't understand the unvoting requirements. For the second mistake I made, it was 3am, I was posting out of obligation, and I made a minor error. Shrug.

Unvote
Vote mauchow

I find autumn's points compelling enough to pursue and Jackal's response ... pure? enough to let go of that for now.

[JAG]

cheek, when you're around, why did you vote Chief Rum?

[EagleFan]

Votes as of post 369

britrock88 3 - JAG (206), Chief Rum (346), The Jackal (367)
The Jackal 2 - bhlloy (261), britrock88 (291)
fontisian 2 - Abe Sargent (265), Telle (297)
mauchow 2 - Autumn (355), fontisian (368)
Autumn 1 - Julio Riddols (232)
Chief Rum 1 - cheekimonk (311)

[Autumn]

THis is kind of a mess. How many people will not be back around to move votes?

[JAG]

Who are you voting mau?

[fontisian]

I am currently finishing up at work. Keeping up will be difficult.

[Autumn]

I would rather avoid a shitshow at deadline than vote for who I want, so I think we should attempt some type of consensus among those who are around and can move their votes. Otherwise I fear shenanigans that will be hard to unpack.

[mauchow]

Sheesh I brush and come back to another vote, I'll have to vote in self defense obviously.

I'm less pinged on jackal than brit, but that's because I have heard very little from.brit.

[mauchow]

I forgot about font, too. I don't see a wolf eagerly jumping out like she did so would probably avoid her for today.

[Telle]

I'm trying to decide whether to pile on the The Jackal for the point about villager pms, or to follow my gut and vote for Telle. I also don't want to seem like I'm omgusing or only focusing on the people who are talking about me, though it is a bit easier for me to read them.

My issue with Telle is the line "Well sorry to vote and run" because it seems so out of place? Everyone is voting and running, there's no real full time thread presence from anyway, so why apologize unless you're worried about be called a wolf for it down the line? Can anyone with meta on Telle chime in here?

Just got back. I was in the thread all day long while at work and then had to leave six hours before the deadline with only a small chance I'd be back beforehand. I just thought I should explain that. Now I haven't played this game in many many years, but this wasn't really out of place in my past experience.

[mauchow]

vote britrock88

[JAG]

Unvote

[JAG]

Vote mauchow

[mauchow]

This unvoting without putting persons name who you're unvoting is slightly irritating lol

[EagleFan]

Votes as of post 380

britrock88 3 - Chief Rum (346), The Jackal (367), mauchow (378)
mauchow 3 - Autumn (355), fontisian (368), JAG (380)
The Jackal 2 - bhlloy (261), britrock88 (291)
fontisian 2 - Abe Sargent (265), Telle (297)
Autumn 1 - Julio Riddols (232)
Chief Rum 1 - cheekimonk (311)

[JAG]

3-3-2-2-1-1 mau-brit-jackal-font-Autumn-Chief Rum

[The Jackal]

This unvoting without putting persons name who you're unvoting is slightly irritating lol

fair point, sorry haha

[JAG]

I feel better about the block of voters on mau than brit.

[The Jackal]

fair point, sorry haha

oh nevermind i did say unvote font

[mauchow]

I feel better about the block of voters on mau than brit.

Hard not to when you're 1/3 of the ones on me.

[The Jackal]

cheek, when you're around, why did you vote Chief Rum?

I'm curious about that one too

[Autumn]

What is the case for Brit? I really liked his posts when I looked back, so if it's him or Mau, I'm going Mau.

[JAG]

I'm curious about that one too

He had been quiet, then brit called him out. 30 mins later he posted and then voted for Chief with no explanation when more than half the votes were out on other players. Strange one.

[mauchow]

I am a villager with a minor role so if it's me that's got to go I am okay with that, but it's semi disappointing at the same time.

[mauchow]

If not brit or me, then who?

[Autumn]

Jackal for his villager PM post, or Font because of the first vote ploy, I guess.

[mauchow]

I'd lean jackal before font...

[Autumn]

Telle, your vote is vital here, where you going?

[mauchow]

unvote brit
vote jackal

[Autumn]

Break the tie Telle, whichever way, but let's not find out the tiebreaker.

[mauchow]

Lots of no shows is disappointing

[The Jackal]

i mean.. i kind of have to vote for you now mau

[mauchow]

Don't vote me ffs

[The Jackal]

unvote brit
vote mau

[mauchow]

unvote jackal
Vote brit

[EagleFan]

deadline

[EagleFan]

oops

[Autumn]

I have no idea how that came out.

[EagleFan]

Okay, now Deadline

[mauchow]

Good Luck everyone I suck at this game.

[EagleFan]

Day 1 Final Vote Count

The Jackal 4 - bhlloy (261), britrock88 (291), fontisian (320)
mauchow 3 - Autumn (355), JAG (380), The Jackal (401)
britrock88 2 - Chief Rum (346), mauchow (402)
fontisian 2 - Abe Sargent (265), Telle (297)
Autumn 1 - Julio Riddols (232)
Chief Rum 1 - cheekimonk (311)

[EagleFan]

Flurry of action at the end; will post the day 1 write up in a moment and then process the night orders.

[Telle]

Ah, didn't know that bugged you. In that case, if it might also bug Telle, I'm glad I pointed it out .

I don't know that I like or dislike The Jackal's vote on you. Fact is, whatever reason exists, his vote likely ends up on you as the other lynch candidate.

Let's face it. We don't know much about anything right now. Hard for me to definitively judge him, you or anyone in the game on Day 1.

I really don't care much. I just tend to think it's kind of funny to have everyone assume I'm male.. but it's certainly reasonable considering the population here. But thank you for pointing it out, Chief.

[Telle]

Break the tie Telle, whichever way, but let's not find out the tiebreaker.

Sorry I've been trying to catch up and didn't get to the end before deadline. According to my spreadsheet though, we did not end in a tie.

[Telle]

Sorry I've been trying to catch up and didn't get to the end before deadline. According to my spreadsheet though, we did not end in a tie.

Ack, except I didn't catch there was a page 9.... and I think EF's tally is wrong and it is a tie.

[Telle]

Day 1 Final Vote Count

mauchow 4 - Autumn (355), fontisian (368), JAG (380), The Jackal (401)
The Jackal 3 - bhlloy (261), britrock88 (291)
britrock88 2 - Chief Rum (346), mauchow (402)
fontisian 2 - Abe Sargent (265), Telle (297)
Autumn 1 - Julio Riddols (232)
Chief Rum 1 - cheekimonk (311)

fontisian's unvote and vote in post 368 violated the rules. Her vote in 316 for The Jackal should still stand.

[Abe Sargent]

Sorry I've been trying to catch up and didn't get to the end before deadline. According to my spreadsheet though, we did not end in a tie.

That's fine. You are good to go. Hopefully we'll get a good result here with mau, and and then a good night result too!

[EagleFan]

A lot of distrust in the air. Arguing, deception, accusations, a typical day in the Sanitarium. Someone must pay for this stranger who was killed in front of you, in total darkness at least, yesterday.

You line up, one by one, and cast your votes. In a last minute move it appears the one nicknamed mauchow may have inadvertently gotten himself lynched.

"Please step forward mauchow!!!" The group begins to chant. Odd chant, but I guess it works.

No, it can't be true. Recount the votes. While it may be hard to decipher as some of you have a bit of the shakes so your writing is a little off it is discovered that it is not mauchow, it is The Jackal.

The door to your main room opens. Two uniformed men rush in.

"Stop! What are you doing?"

Everyone looks shocked, they have never seen uniforms like that before. Why uniforms? What do those uniforms mean? Oh wait, there is something else to tend to. Your target must die. You explain this carefully to the uniformed men.

"You want to kill him?"

"YES!!!"

They talk quietly to themselves. "Are we wasting our money?" You overhear.

"Oh, carry on then."

One of the men rushes into the mysterious room at the end of the hall and write something down on a clipboard, then shreds a file. He peaks back out.

"Just to confirm, him?" He points to The Jackal.

"Yes!"

He continues to shred the papers and when he finishes he leave the room. The door closes behind him without a click.

The men leave through the door they entered.

The lights go out and you hear a scream, no wait, was there two screams...

[Abe Sargent]

Ah. For the first batch, I didn't understand the unvoting requirements. For the second mistake I made, it was 3am, I was posting out of obligation, and I made a minor error. Shrug.

Unvote
Vote mauchow

I find autumn's points compelling enough to pursue and Jackal's response ... pure? enough to let go of that for now.

This is the vote change post Telle mentioned

[EagleFan]

This is the vote change post Telle mentioned

I got caught up and missed that part. This does change a little; but the initial write up still holds true... almost.

[Julio Riddols]

Wow, that was a late switch.

[EagleFan]

Going to edit that write up.

[Telle]

Don't know how fast EagleFan is going to get back to us with a revised vote total.. this is what my spreadsheet says:
3 The Jackal - bhlloy (261), Bitrock88 (291), fontisian (316),
3 mauchow - Autumn (355), JAG (380), The Jackal (401)
2 britrock88 - Chief Rum (346), mauchow (402)
2 fontisian - Abe Sargent (265), Telle (297)
1 Autumn - Julio Riddols (232)
1 Chief Rum - cheekimonk (311)

[EagleFan]

Thank you for seeing that Telle. I am obviously a little (lot)
rusty.

[EagleFan]

The write up has been edited, and yes my updated vote totals are correct numbers. As much as I would have loved a tie, it wasn't. :D

[Telle]

Thank you for seeing that Telle. I am obviously a little (lot)
rusty.

I debated for half a second whether or not to say anything, since we're assuming a tie is bad... but it didn't seem right to let that stand.

But I am rather happy that it appears my werewolf spreadsheet skills have not been lost :)

[EagleFan]

When the lights come back on you see a bloody mess in front of you.

The Jackal lies motionless. As you look more closely you notice that he has been living as a man for a while but was born one Natalie Green. You find a note that he must have been given from someone working at the Sanitarium, something about reward for "eliminating with extreme prejudice"; what else is in store for you?

That was a lot of blood for one person, oh, there is a second.

Chief Rum lies motionless. He was brutally taken out by The Jackal as revenge. Chief Rum was Les Nessman, a newsman and villager at heart.

[Abe Sargent]

Good one Telle!

[EagleFan]

Processing the Night Results.

[mauchow]

How wasn't it a tie?

[Julio Riddols]

Oh man, now that vote flood late seems even more suspicious. I think we have some targets.

[Julio Riddols]

My guess is someone had a vote that counted for 2.

[Telle]

How wasn't it a tie?

I'm guessing there was a mechanism for a secret vote or a vote to count double or something? I have to reread the roles to see if there was anything like that mentioned as a possibility, or if it was kept completely secret from us.

[Abe Sargent]

Well, I think we'd all agree that Telle is probably not a wolf.

[Abe Sargent]

I think we had a more active Day 1 than normal, with multiple good targets. When we start doing vote analysis later, let's make sure we aren;t letting people get away with a "It's just Day One" excuse.

[Telle]

Well, I think we'd all agree that Telle is probably not a wolf.

Well while obviously I want everyone to know I'm a village.. do you think I don't have enough personal integrity to point out a major mistake like that if it benefited me to keep quiet?

[EagleFan]

You all get a good night's sleep on your cardboard slabs and wake up refreshed and with an overwhelming feeling of blood-lust. Who will be next?

As you all gather you notice that Julio Riddols is nowhere in site. You find his remains and see that he seemed to die with a smile on his face.

As you look closer you see that he is not a he at all. This was Rosalind Russell, essentially your high draft pick bodyguard.

This has been a disturbing turn of events.

[EagleFan]

Day Two has begun.

[Abe Sargent]

Hmmm, do you think she was protecting someone and died in their stead?

Here's her role:

Rosalind "Roz" Russell - Ready with a sarcastic remark at all times. Also the most loyal person you may find. She will lay it all on the line for whomever she aligns with. She may protect someone each night, only she will know the exact details of how that will work.

[Abe Sargent]

The good news is that we not only caught a wolf on DAY ONE, but we also got the only wolf that was a wolf on Day Zero.

[Telle]

Hmmm, do you think she was protecting someone and died in their stead?

Here's her role:

Rosalind "Roz" Russell - Ready with a sarcastic remark at all times. Also the most loyal person you may find. She will lay it all on the line for whomever she aligns with. She may protect someone each night, only she will know the exact details of how that will work.

Yeah unfortunately the night kill write-up doesn't spell out which side Roz is actually on so that leaves some ambiguity.

[Abe Sargent]

Yeah, where do we find out their side EagleFan? Can you update post 4 with their role and side when they die?

[fontisian]

Cool. Nice job Telle. I'm really glad I don't what I'm doing, heh.

[EagleFan]

Yeah, where do we find out their side EagleFan? Can you update post 4 with their role and side when they die?

Just finished that update. :)

[EagleFan]

Going to get some sleep. Hopefully I will be sharper tomorrow.

I apologize again, Telle for MVP of day one.

[fontisian]

Mau, what was up with all the vote switches between brit and jackal?

[Telle]

Just finished that update. :)

Well that helps. So Julio Riddols aka Rosalind Russell was a villager.

[bhlloy]

Sorry guys had a soccer practice that went way late so was completely AWOL from about 4:30 to now. Anyway, looks like we got an awesome result, so go team!

First thought is I'm stunned that Jackal put himself out there day 0 as the wolf team captain. Makes me worried what else is going on, but day 0 he didn't have any teammates so maybe he just made a mistake?

[bhlloy]

Very interesting that 2 of the 3 "big" roles that I would have thought would be a wolf captains top two picks turned out villager. I guess we don't know exactly how the draft mechanic works, but that might mean that Jackal was playing more of the chaotic game rather than the high draft pick game we were debating earlier.

[bhlloy]

Mau, what was up with all the vote switches between brit and jackal?

That's something we should definitely look into tomorrow. Could be a confused villager staying away from the tie or wolves desperately trying to co-ordinate themselves with two of them up on the block, IMO

[mauchow]

Mau, what was up with all the vote switches between brit and jackal?

Trying to live. Thought someone would switch over last second with me and then I realized jackals vote on me put me back on top so then I thought if I went back, jackal would go back.. too little too late, which ended up not mattering...incredibly. And maybe my vote looks suspicious but not really. Just desperation.

We got lucky and because of it I think wolves will see me as a likely cleared player behind telle and probably brit/font for the time being.

With regards to who to look at next, I'd probably look at jag a little. While Autumn brought my name as a target it wasn't until jag cast a vote on me that opened the door to get rid of me. Once I switched over to jackal he was able to go with a self defense excuse to not tie self to jag as buddies trying to save their own. As luck would have it, we got to see that and I lived...

[Autumn]

Wow, looks like Jackal's post really was a wolf slipup. I talked myself out of it because it seemed too good to be true. So presumably someone on Jackal had a double vote, though I suppose it could be a vote steal or some other mechanic. Presumably not a duke move however.

Worst night ever, to lose both our best villager roles. But I suspect this one is going to come down to thread play, not roles.

[Autumn]

I'm going to head to bed, and try to figure this out in the morning. Knowing Jackal should give us some real good info on the day given that he was up most of the day and we had a lot of movement at the end.

[mauchow]

I guess it could be trying to dave brit too, jackals vote...

[bhlloy]

Wow, looks like Jackal's post really was a wolf slipup. I talked myself out of it because it seemed too good to be true. So presumably someone on Jackal had a double vote, though I suppose it could be a vote steal or some other mechanic. Presumably not a duke move however.

Worst night ever, to lose both our best villager roles. But I suspect this one is going to come down to thread play, not roles.

I'm going to be honest and say that had I been around I probably would have moved off him too for the same reason. I still wonder if there's something else going on because I can't see a slip up like that from him but sometimes the simplest explanation is the correct one.

I think the one thing that worries me about this rule set is somehow the seer has been manipulated into a bad scan, because that is really going to screw us for the rest of the game. Although that would be very difficult for a wolf team to successfully pull off

[JAG]

Great result with knocking off the wolf leader with the first vote. I talked myself out of his comment being such an obvious slip up...oops.

[JAG]

Not great to lose two of the better villager roles we had alas. But the info we got out of day 1 seems pretty strong. I'm going to start with a vote on Abe, it looked like he was maybe giving cover to Jackal with post 263 and then voted font who seemed like an easier place to go to drum up a jackal alternative with the reaction she got from folks with her vote / unvote moves.

Morning will be busy again, but I should have more time this afternoon than I've had the past couple days.

[JAG]

Vote Abe Sargent

[Autumn]

vote britrock88

Trying to look at voting movements. At this moment Jackal and Font are tied for the lead with three, Brit has two. Jackal unvotes Font and votes Brit, switching that to a 3-3 Jackal-Brit lead.

[Autumn]

Ah. For the first batch, I didn't understand the unvoting requirements. For the second mistake I made, it was 3am, I was posting out of obligation, and I made a minor error. Shrug.

Unvote
Vote mauchow

I find autumn's points compelling enough to pursue and Jackal's response ... pure? enough to let go of that for now.

A couple of minutes later, Font unvotes Jackal and votes Mauchow, putting Brit in the lead ahead of Jackal.

[Autumn]

vote britrock88

Mau votes Brit, the most logical self-defense at this point.

[Autumn]

Vote mauchow

JAG unvotes brit and votes Mau, making it a tight race between Brit and Mau at this point, Jackal has fallen into third.

[Autumn]

I feel better about the block of voters on mau than brit.

JAG gives this rationale, so meaning Mau, Chief, and Jackal are who he feels worse about.

[Autumn]

Votes as of post 380

britrock88 3 - Chief Rum (346), The Jackal (367), mauchow (378)
mauchow 3 - Autumn (355), fontisian (368), JAG (380)
The Jackal 2 - bhlloy (261), britrock88 (291)
fontisian 2 - Abe Sargent (265), Telle (297)
Autumn 1 - Julio Riddols (232)
Chief Rum 1 - cheekimonk (311)

It's here near the end, and then Mau switches from Brit to Jackal. Hard to read that as a wolf move. Jackal was brutal, so there could be some strategy there if they felt a wolf was going to go, but unless brit, mau and Jackal are all wolves, seems wolf mau would stick on Brit.

[Autumn]

unvote jackal
Vote brit

Jackal moves from Brit to Mau, and then last second, Mau makes this move. Now I might take back what I just said. Was the move to Jackal just for appearances? Why flip flop like this in the last moments?

[cheekimonk]

Wow, looks like Jackal's post really was a wolf slipup. I talked myself out of it because it seemed too good to be true.

Same here. Obvious wolf was obvious.

[Autumn]

Don't know how fast EagleFan is going to get back to us with a revised vote total.. this is what my spreadsheet says:
3 The Jackal - bhlloy (261), Bitrock88 (291), fontisian (316),
3 mauchow - Autumn (355), JAG (380), The Jackal (401)
2 britrock88 - Chief Rum (346), mauchow (402)
2 fontisian - Abe Sargent (265), Telle (297)
1 Autumn - Julio Riddols (232)
1 Chief Rum - cheekimonk (311)

Assuming this is the correct final tally, not counting Font's switch that didn't count ... Jackal still wins over Mau. Presumably, one of those three had an extra vote. If it was Font, Font presumably meant to move to Mauchow (I think this new posting format is new enough to us all to assume that mistakes are authentic mistakes). If it was one of the other two, those votes were there for awhile. Of course it's possible there's a secret vote mechanic, or a vote for Mau doesn't count for some other mechanic reason.

I guess at this point I want to hear from Mauchow because that last second switch is weird. Why not stick on Jackal who is your only chance to avoid the lynch? Was it trying to make a tie between Jackal and Brit? Because we thought Font's vote was on Mau.

[Autumn]

Sorry for all the posts, but it helped me to process what happened there, and not to have to flip back forever.

At this point I am wondering whether Jackal wasn't protecting Font. He moved off of Font in a way that didn't help his chances at all, but just made it a Brit-Jackal tie instead. And then Font unvotes Jackal and votes Mau, which effectively puts Brit in the lead without the two ganging up on Britrock. If there were two wolves in the mix, this makes sense. If not, I'm not sure why Jackal doesn't just stick with Font.

[Autumn]

vote fontisian

[Autumn]

Putting this vote down early to stake something based off of this research. I'm interested in hearing from Font and Mauchow today, as well as any of the folks who missed the evening fun.

[cheekimonk]

It's here near the end, and then Mau switches from Brit to Jackal. Hard to read that as a wolf move. Jackal was brutal, so there could be some strategy there if they felt a wolf was going to go, but unless brit, mau and Jackal are all wolves, seems wolf mau would stick on Brit.

This was my first thought after catching up last night post-results. Jackal's uncharacteristic goof would need a strategic response. It's clear he was going to be suspect #1, and perhaps even offed w/ an ability, on D2 even if he wasn't lynched N1. Better to go ahead and take a target with him.

Not sure right now if I buy into all that but at the least it means mau can't be completely off the hook.

[Autumn]

This was my first thought after catching up last night post-results. Jackal's uncharacteristic goof would need a strategic response. It's clear he was going to be suspect #1, and perhaps even offed w/ an ability, on D2 even if he wasn't lynched N1. Better to go ahead and take a target with him.

Not sure right now if I buy into all that but at the least it means mau can't be completely off the hook.

I think the brutal ability only comes into play if we had two wolves in the mix last night. Imagining so makes the voting much more interesting and useful, as per my thoughts above, but I do admit it's often wishful thinking.

[cheekimonk]

Sorry for all the posts, but it helped me to process what happened there, and not to have to flip back forever.

At this point I am wondering whether Jackal wasn't protecting Font. He moved off of Font in a way that didn't help his chances at all, but just made it a Brit-Jackal tie instead. And then Font unvotes Jackal and votes Mau, which effectively puts Brit in the lead without the two ganging up on Britrock. If there were two wolves in the mix, this makes sense. If not, I'm not sure why Jackal doesn't just stick with Font.

If the baddies are going with the strategy I mentioned, getting Jackal lynched N1 if any of them since he's brutal, this clears brit and focuses on font. Seems a good enough place to start as any...

[cheekimonk]

vote font

[EagleFan]

Votes as of 471

fontisian 2 - Autumn (466), cheekimonk (471)
Abe Sargent 1 - JAG (455)

[mauchow]

Jackal moves from Brit to Mau, and then last second, Mau makes this move. Now I might take back what I just said. Was the move to Jackal just for appearances? Why flip flop like this in the last moments?

I had not seen that jackal could flip to me in self defense and after realizing my mistake it was already too late and with a few people online I tried pleading a little.

I thought I was dead. Not much I can do to detract from any suspicion that is on me.. but I deserve it a little based on the end.

If you have specific questions lemme know, I can answer best I can. I've got meetings til 3 then a 2 he drive back home and then a bball game at 9est. I'll be done at deadline for a last bit check in..

[Abe Sargent]

Morning all! Only have a quick moment here pre-work (i'm already a few minutes ate, I'm supposed to be at work 6 minutes ago). to check in.

I'm glad to start seeing some vote analysis of Day 1 stuff. We have a wolf, which puts us up on that quickly. I'll look closer later, but I'm willing to give a few hours to see if someone can give some more info on fontisian. If the Kilnk role is in the game, (likely I suspect), then she triggered him yesterday, so someone probably has more info on her.

I do think the false "unvote" off the brutal wolf and vote getter gives her some coverage in-thread from the heat coming her way.

[Abe Sargent]

Not great to lose two of the better villager roles we had alas. But the info we got out of day 1 seems pretty strong. I'm going to start with a vote on Abe, it looked like he was maybe giving cover to Jackal with post 263 and then voted font who seemed like an easier place to go to drum up a jackal alternative with the reaction she got from folks with her vote / unvote moves.

Morning will be busy again, but I should have more time this afternoon than I've had the past couple days.

That's fair. I just thought TJ was musing for musings sake, and felt the random PM musings for a section of villagers was just a bad tangent we should just cut off and move on than anything else. So I get that could make me look Wolfish the next day.

[britrock88]

Here's a summary of the run-up to lynch:

Votes as of post 357

The Jackal 3 - bhlloy (261), britrock88 (291), fontisian (316)
fontisian 3 - Abe Sargent (265), Telle (297), The Jackal (324)
britrock88 2 - JAG (206), Chief Rum (346)
Autumn 1 - Julio Riddols (232)
tarcone 1 - mauchow (307)
Chief Rum 1 - cheekimonk (311)
mauchow 1 - Autumn (355)

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Mau unvotes tarcone at 9:30.
Jackal switches from Font to Brit at 9:32-34. The Jackal/Font tie becomes a Jackal/Brit tie.
Font attempts to switch from Jackal to Mau at 9:34. EF processes the vote despite the formatting.

---

Votes as of post 369

britrock88 3 - JAG (206), Chief Rum (346), The Jackal (367)
The Jackal 2 - bhlloy (261), britrock88 (291)
fontisian 2 - Abe Sargent (265), Telle (297)
mauchow 2 - Autumn (355), fontisian (368)
Autumn 1 - Julio Riddols (232)
Chief Rum 1 - cheekimonk (311)

But with Font's vote being invalid, the actual tally is:

The Jackal 3 - bhlloy (261), britrock88 (291), fontisian (316)
britrock88 3 - JAG (206), Chief Rum (346), The Jackal (367)
fontisian 2 - Abe Sargent (265), Telle (297)
Autumn 1 - Julio Riddols (232)
Chief Rum 1 - cheekimonk (311)
mauchow 1 - Autumn (355)

---

Mau votes Brit at 9:48.
JAG switches from Brit to Mau at 9:49-50.

---

Votes as of post 380

britrock88 3 - Chief Rum (346), The Jackal (367), mauchow (378)
mauchow 3 - Autumn (355), fontisian (368), JAG (380)
The Jackal 2 - bhlloy (261), britrock88 (291)
fontisian 2 - Abe Sargent (265), Telle (297)
Autumn 1 - Julio Riddols (232)
Chief Rum 1 - cheekimonk (311)

Accurate tally:

The Jackal 3 - bhlloy (261), britrock88 (291), fontisian (316)
britrock88 3 - Chief Rum (346), The Jackal (367), mauchow (378)
fontisian 2 - Abe Sargent (265), Telle (297)
mauchow 2 - Autumn (355), JAG (380)
Autumn 1 - Julio Riddols (232)
Chief Rum 1 - cheekimonk (311)

---

Mau switches from Brit to Jackal at 9:59.
The apparent tally flips from a Brit/Mau tie to a Mau/Jackal tie.
With Font's voted accounted for, the vote puts Jackal 2 ahead of Font/Mau/Brit.

Jackal switches from Brit to Mau at 10:00.
The apparent tally would be Mau 4, Jackal 3, Font 2.
The actual tally is Jackal 4, Mau 3.

Mau switches from Jackal to Brit at 10:00.
Apparent tally: Mau 4, Jackal/Font/Brit 2.
Actual tally: Jackal/Mau 3, Brit 2.

---

As you pore this over, remember that one of bhlloy and myself appears to have an extra vote (compare posts 408 and 413 to see why I eliminated Font from that group).

[britrock88]

My overarching observations with last night's deadline activity, by character involved:

- Jackal: unsurprisingly tried to self-save at the deadline, at Mau's expense. The flip from Font to Brit a half-hour earlier is a thing to note (I won't make anything more of it, though).

- Mau: appeared to put Brit 2 up on Jackal/Font/Mau at 9:48. Vacillated between Brit and Jackal at the deadline, and not in a way that accomplished much.

- Font: placed the vote that didn't stick at 9:34, switching from Jackal to Mau. (I'm not convinced anything nefarious was at play; however, there is not only the move off Jackal to justify, but also the confusion in the thread that resulted from the formatting issue. Should we keep overlooking this?) Finally, she checked out at 9:42.

- Brit: AFK, with a vote hanging on Jackal throughout.

[britrock88]

Autumn feels very Good to me.

[britrock88]

I am a villager with a minor role so if it's me that's got to go I am okay with that, but it's semi disappointing at the same time.

Don't vote me ffs

These two posts don't fit well together from a role-based perspective, though Mau could just want to play more WW--that's a likely explanation for him, actually. :)

Trying to live. Thought someone would switch over last second with me and then I realized jackals vote on me put me back on top so then I thought if I went back, jackal would go back.. too little too late, which ended up not mattering...incredibly. And maybe my vote looks suspicious but not really. Just desperation.

We got lucky and because of it I think wolves will see me as a likely cleared player behind telle and probably brit/font for the time being.

With regards to who to look at next, I'd probably look at jag a little. While Autumn brought my name as a target it wasn't until jag cast a vote on me that opened the door to get rid of me. Once I switched over to jackal he was able to go with a self defense excuse to not tie self to jag as buddies trying to save their own. As luck would have it, we got to see that and I lived...

I guess it could be trying to dave brit too, jackals vote...

Mau's after-deadline analysis. He starts by suggesting he and Jackal could coordinate votes in-thread, which is better than the possible alternative of them coordinating out-of-thread (by Bad PM).

The suggestion that he's cleared seems a bit sui generis, and I wonder what led Mau to think Font is clear.

I actually concur that JAG does not seem quite as Good as usual--maybe the Autumn/Bhlloy/Telle trio are crowding my Good read group.

[britrock88]

My takeaway is that I'm more interested in Font than Mau after last night's lynch.

[britrock88]

vote Fontisian

[britrock88]

And I mentioned in passing that extra vote that so happened to show up and swing the result last night. It looks like it belongs to one of Bhlloy and myself (posts 408 and 413, for reference). I'll go ahead and say I don't have the extra voting power.

[britrock88]

And before I leave this alone for a while, I'll mention that I'm out of commission after work again, though I could juuust make it back for deadline.

[bhlloy]

I think I'm good to look at font and mau today. Looking back at yesterday's deadline both have things that bug me a little.

Font with the invalid vote to move off Jackal - is that a(nother?) deliberate invalid vote or a genuine try to move off and save a wolf?

Mau with the late move off a wolf which seemingly seals his own fate, why on earth do that?

Possible both are villagers getting caught up in deadline craziness? Sure, and I wasn't around so it's a bit rich for me to criticize, but hey it's WW. I think we learn a ton more about day 1 by putting them under more scrutiny.

I do think we're going to have to take a look at the inactives pretty soon as well. Tarcone (who seems to have gone completely AWOL) and cheekimonk at the top of the list. That being said, both were pretty inactive on day 0 as well when they couldn't possibly have known they were wolves, but that's another direction I'd like to go in

[bhlloy]

I like JAG's reasoning in #454 above as well, so I'm keeping Abe in the back of my mind here as well. Put a counter vote on font to Jackal and left it there all day, plus the defense in thread.

[bhlloy]

vote mauchow

[bhlloy]

Let's start by having all 3 of those guys on the block and see what happens

[EagleFan]

Votes as of 487

fontisian 3 - Autumn (466), cheekimonk (471), britrock88 (481)
Abe Sargent 1 - JAG (455)
mauchow 1 - bhlloy (486)

[JAG]

Brit and Autumn, appreciate the work you put in.

[mauchow]

The suggestion that he's cleared seems a bit sui generis, and I wonder what led Mau to think Font is clear.

I actually concur that JAG does not seem quite as Good as usual--maybe the Autumn/Bhlloy/Telle trio are crowding my Good read group.

Why would font mistankingly not unvote jackal which In The end killed him as a wolf? That confusion allowed me to love another day and like you said, I get to keep playing. I'm selfish like that, especially when there are inactive players who again, quiet players are more valuable as wolves vs villagers.

[mauchow]

My explanation confuses even me now about font..as it was what it was, a mistake, but I don't see a wolf incriminating themselves to save a wolf like that.

[EagleFan]

Everything seems very surreal, the events over the past twenty four hours were entirely chaotic, frightening and surprisingly exhilarating. What does today have in store for the group? What does it have in store for you?

Why is the Sanitarium allowing this to happen? It seems more and more like you may never find out. Is there a way out? Are you all doomed? Are some more doomed than others? It's up to you to determine your fate, you and the rest of the "crazies" who seem just as doomed as you.

There is a very cloudy window near the door that you entered your "cell block" which you can see very little through. You can barely make out a couple figures talking outside. One hands some object over to the other, they shake hands and soon the one that handed over the object leaves.

A loud buzzer sounds.

"Inma, patients, yeah, patients to your cel, rooms, yeah, rooms."

Everyone stares blankly with a thousand yard stare.

"NOW!"

You rush to your rooms. Inside you wonder what will happen next.

There is a click from the main door outside and the sound of people coming into the main room. You look towards the main room but your vision is blocked by the curtain across your door. Where the hell does that keep coming from?

A lot of movement is heard, another door is opened--that must be the room with the sign, the room the strange uniformed man went into to shred those documents.

"No, we don't change our plans. This just helps us along."

You hear the office door close, without a click.

Then footsteps walking towards the main door. Soon the main door slams shut and the sound of the lock engaging echoes through the area.

Everyone blinks and there thousand yard stares fade. Wait, how did you get back in the main room? You look towards your rooms and you see your cardboard and your bucket through the open door. Where did that damn curtain go?

Everything seems wonderful, you just need to find someone else to kill.

[EagleFan]

Back to work, will be on later to catch back up.

[Abe Sargent]

I dislike to vote-pile on one candidate because it removes vote-analysis later on down the road. But for now, I'm voting fontisian to lock her in as a candidate, and I still suspect there is something off here with her. But at the same time, I'm willing to consider a move to someone else if there is anything or anyone that seems like a good target.

[Abe Sargent]

vote fontisian

[mauchow]

I guess I'm torn on font in general, I don't think a group of 2 or 3 wolves would miss the fact that fonts vote didn't count. I missed it, obviously as did many others. I thought I was done for up til the final moment. Switching my vote back to jackal, in my eyes didn't change the fact that I was going to die, which is why I switched back to brit, since I thought maybe jackal would go back and id still live.

I personally think day 1 vote will have more analysis to use in a few days rather than trying to derive something from my hectic last moment.

[cheekimonk]

Why would font mistankingly not unvote jackal which In The end killed him as a wolf?

I can still see the wolves wanting Jackal lynched as his slip made him a target sooner than later and he uses brutal to take a dangerous enemy player, CR, with him (not that they would have known his role, but that CR's a formidable foe in any capacity).

[mauchow]

I guess I just don't see purposely not unvoting at this juncture unless another wolf was on the block and it's the easier way out. So we would have to look at the others on the block at the time...which was me and brit. Lovely.

[JAG]

I feel like I need to take a step back here. Things I'm thinking of include:

Did the wolves know we were working with a borked vote count? My suspicion is not based on how Jackal reacted to mau's vote moving around towards the end.

Were the wolves in 'save him' mode or 'look good when he dies' mode?

I read back over the first part of day 1. I'd like to hear from font why she went with her plan of trying to nullify Klink's role but didn't vote / unvote for about five players that could possibly be Klink. Reading the start of D1, bhlloy and Julio floated my name as a possible vote and Abe actually pushed back a little on them, which I read as more a villager move than wolf. I still need to read back and think on things some more.

[JAG]

Unvote