2016 College Football Offseason (Non-recruiting thread)

[CU Tiger]

Lost of smoke in Knoxville.

This really doesn't look good for Butch Jones. Honestly this is the type of story that with just a little national attention could snowball him out of town.

Lawsuit: Tennessee coach Butch Jones called player a 'traitor' (http://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/college/vols/2016/02/24/lawsuit-tennessee-coach-butch-jones-called-player-traitor/80851232/)

There are bad seeds in every program. I've long been a Butch Jones fan, but this story disgusts me a bit.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I said a couple of weeks back that this could end up landing on Jones hard.

The tricky part, however, is whether there end up being any credible accusations or witnesses for any of the allegations.

[TroyF]

I need some help here.

He found the lady crying and called to get help for her. Exactly how was he betraying his team by doing that?

I always, always, always try to avoid judging things like this until I hear all sides. What's hard about it on this one is that it seems much of the story was confirmed by other people or police. If Jones truly called the guy a traitor, there can be only one solution to this.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I need some help here.

He found the lady crying and called to get help for her. Exactly how was he betraying his team by doing that?

Not sure how what isn't clear in that scenario. Football = family, and in relatively few cultures does getting family in trouble go over very well.

Right, wrong, good, bad, whatever, I believe that's a pretty realistic answer to your apparent confusion.

[TroyF]

I get football is family.

Exactly how did he get anyone in trouble.

He saw a women crying. I'm guessing she said she was raped. He calls for medical help.

Is the coach and players really saying he shouldn't help anyone because it might involve another football player? Or that after he goes over to help and she says a football player raped her, there is some expectation that he can't even pick up the phone and get the girl medical help?

What was he supposed to do there? Spit on her? Rape her himself?

Being a close knit family is one thing. . . Not helping a distressed human being is another. I don't see how those things are mutually exclusive.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I get football is family.

Exactly how did he get anyone in trouble.

He saw a women crying. I'm guessing she said she was raped. He calls for medical help.

Is the coach and players really saying he shouldn't help anyone because it might involve another football player? Or that after he goes over to help and she says a football player raped her, there is some expectation that he can't even pick up the phone and get the girl medical help?

What was he supposed to do there? Spit on her? Rape her himself?

Being a close knit family is one thing. . . Not helping a distressed human being is another. I don't see how those things are mutually exclusive.

Oh wait, I get your confusion now (srsly, I'm not giving you shit).

I only read the details on how he got involved in the first place a little while ago myself. From Bowles affadavit:

190. Varsity football player Drae Bowles had picked up Plaintiff Doe IV (and her friends) in his vehicle the night of her assault (early morning hours of Nov. 16th) when he noticed Jane Doe IV was distraught in the parking lot. 191. Jane Doe IV was hyperventilating and crying near bushes in the parking lot. 192. Doe IV told Bowles in the car about the rape and, after discussion, she called 911 from his car to report the rape to the authorities. Bowles drove Jane Doe IV and her friends from the Woodlands apartment/condominium complex to Volunteer Hall where she was taken by ambulance to UT Medical Center where a rape/sexual exam was conducted

The belief is that he knew who was allegedly involved before taking the alleged victim & her friends from (what I gather is) their off-campus condo to a campus residence hall.

Now in family terminology, you're going out of your way to help someone who is accusing your brother of some serious shit that you have no idea whether is true or not. Again, I'm not sure how many places that flies without conflict.

[JonInMiddleGA]

And while it shouldn't have to be said, I'll say it anyway:

I ain't defending nobody for doing nothing. I'm strictly addressing Troy's question about why there were accusations of betrayal directed at Bowles.

[CU Tiger]

I don't know, man. You know I'll defend the honor of the warrior code faster than anyone. But a culture where women are that disrespected and not defended by "men" ...well that whole thing needs to be shut down.

To add to troy's reply, I've heard rumblings that the victim couldn't identify the attacker, possibly because they wore masks. And that Bowles might have identified them to police based on vehicles. Its also circulating that the victim was involved with one of her attackers, (and it was more a date rape than a violent rape) and some players alledge that Bowles was interested in the victim and encouraged her not to stand for being tested like that - auspiciouysly to improve his standing in her eyes.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I don't know, man. You know I'll defend the honor of the warrior code faster than anyone. But a culture where women are that disrespected and not defended by "men" ...well that whole thing needs to be shut down.

But Troy's question didn't seem to be (as I read it) about the right/wrong of the attitude but rather puzzlement about what the beef with Bowles would have been. Take football out of it entirely, I'd guarantee there'd be some major personal shitstorms about his role if this were simply some dude getting involved to this extent in his postal worker/stockbroker/housepainter brother's situation.

As for questions about Bowle's own motivations there's also Maggit's alleged remark to him at the time of the first alleged confrontation, about how (paraphrasing cause I don't feel like looking it up again) "this is about you getting A.J."

edit to add: "A.J." presumably being A.J. Johnson, one of the accused (in case someone in the thread isn't familiar with the names of the initial rape case)

[Butter]

Jon, I think we all get that. I think what they're both trying to say is that a culture where the first reaction to a woman getting raped is "let's all protect the attacker because he's one of us" instead of "let's help the victim" is bullshit and needs some kind of correction.

And that culture sounds like it was protected by Butch Davis, who I would be surprised if he survives this. It's not like he's coming off 2 national titles or something.

[CU Tiger]

Jon, I think we all get that. I think what they're both trying to say is that a culture where the first reaction to a woman getting raped is "let's all protect the attacker because he's one of us" instead of "let's help the victim" is bullshit and needs some kind of correction.

And that culture sounds like it was protected by Butch Davis, who I would be surprised if he survives this. It's not like he's coming off 2 national titles or something.

This.
I think it meets the definition of lack of institutional control, tbh.

[Butter]

Yeah, I obviously meant Butch Jones also, btw. Although maybe Butch Davis had something to do with this too.

[TroyF]

In Jon's defense here, that was really where I was confused. From the article in question, it looked to me like he helped someone in need and called for help. What Jon said cleared it up. He not only called for help, he was actively a part of the turn in.

Now, as Jon said above, the issues are two fold.

1) The kid did the right thing. Period. Nothing I said above changes just because of this information to me. The coach should be gone, the players who were involved in the "protection" of their other teammates should be gone. Period. End of discussion as far as I'm concerned. Assuming all the facts are accurate, that kid is a hero.

2) Why is he a hero for doing the right thing? Because of jon clearing it up, it's obvious. We know in the culture of a locker room, a police station, the military, or even family issues. . . people get VERY protective of their turf. I know it is wrong and I hope this idiotic part of our culture changes and changes quickly, but I now get how players from the team were pissed off about it. It's like walking into a vegan restaurant with a fur coat and having your car get keyed. It's wrong, but I can at least understand why it happened.

[tarcone]

Iowa DE Drew Ott getting the run around by the B1G/NCAA. They still havent made a decision on his appeal for a 6th year due to injury. The combine is about to start. And Ott is left in limbo.

What a bunch of stupidity.

[JonInMiddleGA]

In Jon's defense here, that was really where I was confused. From the article in question, it looked to me like he helped someone in need and called for help. What Jon said cleared it up. He not only called for help, he was actively a part of the turn in.

Thanks, I appreciate the clarification/verification. For a change, I actually DID understand a question correctly around here.

[cartman]

A&M will head into this season without a scholarship TE on the roster.

Aggies' lone scholarship tight end says he's transferring - Houston Chronicle (http://www.chron.com/sports/aggies/article/Aggies-lone-scholarship-tight-end-says-he-s-6853714.php)

[MrBug708]

Mazzone doesnt use a TE

[Kodos]

Illinois to hire Lovie Smith as head football coach | University of Illinois | pantagraph.com (http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/college/illinois/illinois-to-hire-lovie-smith-as-head-football-coach/article_f7f3e8d4-10f3-5b2b-84e7-796b9b245051.html)

Lovie Smith hired to coach the Illini.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Lovie Smith hired to coach the Illini.

Bwahahaha.

There's a move destined to start the hiring timer on a new "new AD".

[Dutch]

Lovie? A college coach? No way.

And I'm not trying to dis my guy....buy his personality doesn't seem to mix with what I figure a college coach's personality entails. He should be moving up into suit and tie type jobs at this point...

[Butter]

Bwahahaha.

There's a move destined to start the hiring timer on a new "new AD".

That's the thing, though. This AD is clearly hanging his hat on this hire, as he made the move to fire the guy with another year on his contract on Day 1.

Should be interesting.

[Atocep]

This is going to be a disaster. He'll land a big player every now and then, but overall I just don't see him being able to recruit well. I also don't see his defense being able to stop spread offenses or him being able to make a good OC hire.

At least he's in the Big 10 west.

[BishopMVP]

This is going to be a disaster. He'll land a big player every now and then, but overall I just don't see him being able to recruit well. I also don't see his defense being able to stop spread offenses or him being able to make a good OC hire.

At least he's in the Big 10 west.If it was coming right on the heels of Beckman's dismissal it would make a ton of sense. I think Illinois understands it's place and would be very content with a .500 coach who doesn't embarass the university or open it up to lawsuits. But Cubit also seemed like a competent program manager to give it a little stability, and it really looks bad on a university or presidential level to promote him to full-time coach November 28, then let the new AD fire him before he coaches a game.

[CU Tiger]

Lovie had a reputation as a great recruiter Innis college days according to an older colleague. Whether he can still hang is tbd, but his NFL pedigree will open doors.

[BishopMVP]

Lovie had a reputation as a great recruiter Innis college days according to an older colleague. Whether he can still hang is tbd, but his NFL pedigree will open doors.Plus he's also a pretty well-respected ex-coach of the Chicago Bears recruiting in the midwest. I don't get the immediate backlash - this isn't Ohio State or Michigan hiring Lovie, it's Illinois. Ron Zook is the best coach they've had in the last 25 years!

[dawgfan]

Plus he's also a pretty well-respected ex-coach of the Chicago Bears recruiting in the midwest. I don't get the immediate backlash - this isn't Ohio State or Michigan hiring Lovie, it's Illinois. Ron Zook is the best coach they've had in the last 25 years!
If he's not burned-out and hires some assistants with recruiting connections, I don't see any reason he can't be a really good hire for Illinois. Totally agree about his NFL pedigree - that will give him some legitimacy when recruiting and telling kids he knows how to get them to the League.

[CU Tiger]

And Louisville OC/QB Coach Garrick McGee is now joining Lovie.

That is a pretty nice get, imho.

Garrick can run an offense by himself and we KNOW Lovie can coach D.

[CU Tiger]

Top MSU signee Simmons arrested for simple assault (http://www.clarionledger.com/story/sports/college/mississippi-state/2016/03/28/msu-signee-jeffery-simmons-charges/82344844/)

Miss St 5* Signee arrested.

Very disturbing video to me. I am a long time advocate for giving many young athletes a break, but assaulting a female...that's an area I have zero sympathy for. When that female is already prone on the ground and you jump in on her. Sorry if his entire football career is over I think its justified.

If this was at Ole Miss I guess he is named a captain, but it will be interesting to see how Miss St responds.

Even more so in light of the current culture surrounding domestic violence.

[MrBug708]

Hatari Byrd is dismissed from Oklahoma. Wonder what he did since beating a woman isn't quite enough to get kicked off the team?

[Cuckoo]

Hatari Byrd is dismissed from Oklahoma. Wonder what he did since beating a woman isn't quite enough to get kicked off the team?

That player was dismissed from the team as well. He was only allowed to return a season later after completing a number of goals, including community service and counseling. Also, I think the term "beating" is a bit inappropriate since she initiated the altercation and he responded with one single punch.

Don't get me wrong; I don't condone what he did in any way. But let's not mischaracterize the situation.

As for Byrd, I haven't heard any rumors on what may or may not have happened. He was asked to make a position change after being passed over on the depth chart, and word is he wasn't pleased about it.

[vex]

Byrd left in good standing is all I know.

[Logan]

After the banning of satellite camps, I expect the next rule change to be prohibiting coaches from giving commencement speeches at the high schools of current/future recruits.

Scoops on Football: Jim Harbaugh to Speak at Paramus Catholic’s Graduation | Varsity Aces | NorthJersey.com (http://blog.northjersey.com/varsityaces/45120/scoops-on-football-jim-harbaugh-to-speak-at-paramus-catholics-graduation/)

[dawgfan]

After the banning of satellite camps, I expect the next rule change to be prohibiting coaches from giving commencement speeches at the high schools of current/future recruits.

Scoops on Football: Jim Harbaugh to Speak at Paramus Catholic’s Graduation | Varsity Aces | NorthJersey.com (http://blog.northjersey.com/varsityaces/45120/scoops-on-football-jim-harbaugh-to-speak-at-paramus-catholics-graduation/)
I'll give Harbaugh a lot of credit for his creativity. And yes, I would expect the NCAA to end up banning this.

[tarcone]

Iowa DE Drew Otts petition for a 6th year denied. He played about 25% of his freshman year and 25% of his senior year.
He applied months ago and the NCAA drug it out.

Players in similar situations have been granted a 6th year. But for some reason, Ott is denied.

F*ck the NCAA.

[cartman]

The Notre Dame-Texas game on opening weekend will be moved to Sunday. So far it is the only game scheduled that day.

Texas Longhorns, Notre Dame Fighting Irish will move season opener to Sunday (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/15168116/texas-longhorns-notre-dame-fighting-irish-move-season-opener-sunday)

[digamma]

I'll give Harbaugh a lot of credit for his creativity. And yes, I would expect the NCAA to end up banning this.

I don't think this is a big deal. College coaches have always been allowed to speak at banquets or club meetings provided it isn't a dead period and the coach doesn't "recruit" while there. Obviously, the second prong is hard to enforce, but I definitely remember hearing Ray Goff speak at a high school event back in the day. (Dates me, I know.)

[Logan]

Iowa DE Drew Otts petition for a 6th year denied. He played about 25% of his freshman year and 25% of his senior year.
He applied months ago and the NCAA drug it out.

Players in similar situations have been granted a 6th year. But for some reason, Ott is denied.

F*ck the NCAA.

I don't know the particulars, but I'm almost positive the line is "less than 25%" in order to qualify. So if your wording is accurate, that would make the first instance okay (if "about" is actually less) but the second one not if he actually hit the 25% barrier.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I don't think this is a big deal. College coaches have always been allowed to speak at banquets or club meetings provided it isn't a dead period and the coach doesn't "recruit" while there. Obviously, the second prong is hard to enforce, but I definitely remember hearing Ray Goff speak at a high school event back in the day. (Dates me, I know.)

Mark Richt was a semi-regular at the monthly (in fall) Athens Touchdown Club meetings here. While you could say "but that's different" these are typically open to the general public for a nominal fee to cover breakfast (members eat free).

[MrBug708]

Iowa DE Drew Otts petition for a 6th year denied. He played about 25% of his freshman year and 25% of his senior year.
He applied months ago and the NCAA drug it out.

Players in similar situations have been granted a 6th year. But for some reason, Ott is denied.

F*ck the NCAA.

Based on this, your math is bad


University of Iowa Official Athletic Site (http://m.hawkeyesports.com/m/sports/m-footbl/mtt/drew_ott_810172.html)

[JonInMiddleGA]

I don't know the particulars, but I'm almost positive the line is "less than 25%" in order to qualify. So if your wording is accurate, that would make the first instance okay (if "about" is actually less) but the second one not if he actually hit the 25% barrier.

Iowa AD: There's precedent for NCAA granting medical cases like Drew Ott's | The Gazette (http://www.thegazette.com/subject/sports/iowa-ad-theres-precedent-for-ncaa-granting-medical-cases-like-otts-20160304)
Ott exceeded official NCAA requirements for a waiver by playing in more than 30 percent of Iowa’s 13 regular-season games (counting the Big Ten championship).

The article notes that he played in 6 of their 13 last season, though he missed significant snaps in 3 of those.

edit to add: The headline is somewhat misleading IMO. The "precedent" they cite is a guy at Temple who played in 32% (10 of 31) of their basketball games back in 2014, essentially one game over.

This was a guy who played in 50% of regular season games.

[tarcone]

Its 30% and he did not meet that criteria. He did meet the miss more then half the season criteria.
But he applied last Fall. The length to make the decision is what pisses me off. And it did Ott as well. He is missing out on NFL opportunities.

[JonInMiddleGA]

But he applied last Fall. The length to make the decision is what pisses me off.

Might want to tell both the media AND Ott then 'cause ...

According to the Big Ten, schools officially petition for medical hardships once a team’s season is completed.

and

How the NCAA is messing with Iowa lineman Drew Ott's life at the NFL Combine | cleveland.com (http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2016/02/how_the_ncaa_is_messing_with_i.html)

The Big 10, not the NCAA, held onto his request until early March. The delay between the end of the season (whenever the paperwork was filed, which wasn't until late December or early January apparently, since Ott himself says "a couple of months") and then wasn't an NCAA matter.

[tarcone]

True. Then the NCAA waited about 6 weeks. So, true the B1G was complicit in this, but I still hate the NCAA. :)

[tarcone]

I just saw your earlier post, Jon. Ott missed a significant portion of the 1st 3 games due to a shoulder injury.

Im not sure if its based on games played or snaps played. Iowa and Ott tried to play the snaps played angle.

[MrBug708]

I believe it could only happen in the first part of the season. If you are out beause of injury for 3 games, come back for 3 and then get hurt again, you cannot apply for a medical RS. They usually only happen if you get hurt and don't play again. It's a lame rule

[CU Tiger]

I just saw your earlier post, Jon. Ott missed a significant portion of the 1st 3 games due to a shoulder injury.

Im not sure if its based on games played or snaps played. Iowa and Ott tried to play the snaps played angle.

The rule looks only at games played.
Period.

If you play 1 snap in a game it counts.

The NCAA is horribly inconsistent with the rulings and has been for some time. But the medical hardship exemption is one of the cleaner ones.

[Logan]

So...Lynn Swann is the new USC AD?

[MrBug708]

Good hire. Love the in house moves

[JonInMiddleGA]

I just saw your earlier post, Jon. Ott missed a significant portion of the 1st 3 games due to a shoulder injury.

Right, I saw/read/knew that ... except that it's entirely irrelevant to the rule.

This just seemed like a no-chance appeal from the get go to me. And the NCAA kind of indicated that with their granting permission for him to attend the combine.

But it's a lose-lose situation for the NCAA most likely. If they had denied the appeal swiftly, they'd have gotten hammered for not taking enough time to investigate the details. If they take the usual process* then they get hammered for it not being entirely friendly to the student-athlete.

*Seems worth noting here that a football player at Indiana, Dominique Booth, appears to have gotten his appeal ruling on April 12, roughly the same day as Ott. That case is even more unusual in that IU doctors won't clear him to play but other doctors/schools will so he's going to end up being a graduate transfer next season

[CU Tiger]

This dude must be made of teflon.

Report: Police calls to Tennessee's Jones could be against law | Dr. Saturday - Yahoo Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/report--police-calls-to-tennessee-s-jones-could-be-against-law-232044285.html)

[cartman]

The new OC they brought in runs the kind of offense that Jerrod Heard is used to. My guess is that unless Buechele just wows everyone in the spring, he'll be redshirted and Heard will be the QB.

Heard was hurt and didn't play in the Orange/White game. But Buechele easily outclassed Tyrone Swoopes, and didn't look like a freshman early enrollee. He just might end up starting against Notre Dame.

[Logan]

Coming out on Twitter now that the NCAA has overturned the satellite camp ban already.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Coming out on Twitter now that the NCAA has overturned the satellite camp ban already.


Not all that surprised by this to be honest.

The ban seemed like a massive overreaction in the first place, really hurting the student-athlete more than anyone else, helping primarily those who seemed to be a little fearful of increased competition. Once the possibility that Congress might get involved was brought up, this was probably inevitable.

[Logan]

Agreed Jon.

[Butter]

So, how fucked is Ole Miss? On a scale of "not at all" to "extremely".

[MrBug708]

Sec, so no

[JPhillips]

Some D2 school is going to get hosed, though.

[panerd]

Sec, so no

Maybe if you said Bama and LSU, no. I don't think they care about the entire SEC much less Ole Miss. It would actually be in Bama and LSU's favor for Ole Miss to get hammered.

[JonInMiddleGA]

So, how fucked is Ole Miss? On a scale of "not at all" to "extremely".

Eventually? Very badly IMO.

[digamma]

Mississippi Valley State is gonna get hammered over this.

[Atocep]

Baylor is going to be in some shit.

Timeline of events:
Comprehensive Baylor Timeline Covering Now-Publicized Incidents : CFB (https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/4gg4wr/comprehensive_baylor_timeline_covering/)

More info from the guy that broke the story:
RosterWatch | Alex Dunlap on the Baylor Scandal (http://rosterwatch.com/alex-dunlap-on-the-baylor-scandal)

[dawgfan]

Baylor is going to be in some shit.

Timeline of events:
Comprehensive Baylor Timeline Covering Now-Publicized Incidents : CFB (https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/4gg4wr/comprehensive_baylor_timeline_covering/)

More info from the guy that broke the story:
RosterWatch | Alex Dunlap on the Baylor Scandal (http://rosterwatch.com/alex-dunlap-on-the-baylor-scandal)
There is a special place in hell for fucktards that harass sexual assault victims because they're upset that allegations of those assaults will harm their favorite college football program.

[CU Tiger]

Ray Lewis III arrested for Cosbying girls at Coastal Carolina

[Thomkal]

Ray Lewis III arrested for Cosbying girls at Coastal Carolina

Not surprisingly, he's been suspended already.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/ray-lewis-iii-son-ex-ravens-star-charged-sex-assault-article-1.2618986

http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/sports/college/big-south/coastal-carolina-university/article74696527.html

[CU Tiger]

In a weird twist, he lived in the apartment that my SIL lived in last year.
Not the same complex, mind you the same damn unit.

[Thomkal]

In a weird twist, he lived in the apartment that my SIL lived in last year.
Not the same complex, mind you the same damn unit.

weird

[bob]

Court Opinion Reveals Joe Paterno Reportedly Knew Of Jerry Sandusky Molesting Children As Early As 1976 (http://deadspin.com/court-opinion-reveals-joe-paterno-reportedly-knew-of-je-1775014993)

[CU Tiger]

Everyone who is a football fan should read this:
Remembering Doug Rhoads, former ACC coordinator of football (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/15502279/remembering-doug-rhoads-former-acc-coordinator-football)

Paging Dr. Sak,

[MacroGuru]

BYU held their FanFest today near my house, so I decided to head on over.

I haven't talked to Kalani for years and I waited in line to see him. His dad saw me and was willing to take me upfront to him and I told him it's ok, just wanted to surprise him.

I lived in NY almost the entire time he coached at Utah so I haven't seen him in over 10 years, needless to say, he was shocked to see me.

It was great talking to him and pretty funny to get chastised by the head coach of my favorite program for not coming and seeing him earlier.

Best part was the open invite to come down to the offices so he can introduce me to Ty Detmer and the other coaches and the team.

[Butter]

Game times for ESPN's major first weekend games have been announced:

ESPN/ABC Set for Best College Football Opening Weekend Schedule Ever - ESPN MediaZone (http://espnmediazone.com/us/press-releases/2016/05/espnabc-set-best-college-football-opening-weekend-schedule-ever/)

[Dr. Sak]

Everyone who is a football fan should read this:
Remembering Doug Rhoads, former ACC coordinator of football (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/15502279/remembering-doug-rhoads-former-acc-coordinator-football)

Paging Dr. Sak,

Yea I was aware. Doug is the reason I am where I am...he took a chance on me and I am forever grateful. I am glad he is no longer suffering.

[dawgfan]

Guns and weed are not a good mix (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/alabama-s-cam-robinson--hootie-jones-arrested-in-louisiana-140258269.html)

[HomerSimpson98]

Game times for ESPN's major first weekend games have been announced:

ESPN/ABC Set for Best College Football Opening Weekend Schedule Ever - ESPN MediaZone (http://espnmediazone.com/us/press-releases/2016/05/espnabc-set-best-college-football-opening-weekend-schedule-ever/)

Wow. Thats delicious. That Clemson-Auburn game should be something else. In Jordan-Hare to boot. USC-Bama will be tasty too

[albionmoonlight]

Guns and weed are not a good mix (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/alabama-s-cam-robinson--hootie-jones-arrested-in-louisiana-140258269.html)

Stolen from another message board:

I wonder how many times a year in America that a guy named Hootie gets arrested for weed.

[Easy Mac]

psh... wake me when the SEC schedules a tough game for once :rolleyes:

[dawgfan]

The news keeps getting worse at Baylor (http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/baylor-bears-football-scandal-art-briles-other-college-coaches-speak-out-051816)

Heads are going to have to roll, right?

[Atocep]

The news keeps getting worse at Baylor (http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/baylor-bears-football-scandal-art-briles-other-college-coaches-speak-out-051816)

Heads are going to have to roll, right?

At Baylor? No

[CU Tiger]

If there was an independent college football commissioner Baylor and Tennessee would eb looking for coaches right now

[MrBug708]

UCLA becomes another school leaving ADIDAS as they are reported to be signing with UA for 15 years, 280 million, making it the highest athletic contract by 28 million

[Breeze]

Apparently Ken Starr fired at Baylor but so far looks like Briles is keeping his job...


http://www.si.com/college-football/2016/05/24/baylor-bears-board-regents-expected-remove-president-ken-starr

[dawgfan]

Apparently Ken Starr fired at Baylor but so far looks like Briles is keeping his job...


http://www.si.com/college-football/2016/05/24/baylor-bears-board-regents-expected-remove-president-ken-starr
Well, clearly football is more important than the rest of the university.

[CU Tiger]

President contracts don't have buyouts, payoffs to negotiate.

[Atocep]

Apparently Ken Starr fired at Baylor but so far looks like Briles is keeping his job...


http://www.si.com/college-football/2016/05/24/baylor-bears-board-regents-expected-remove-president-ken-starr

The only way Briles was going anywhere was if he was caught sexually assaulting one of the girls himself.

That program is scared to death of going back to what they were before he arrived.

[digamma]

You usually don't have to pay a buyout in a for cause termination. It's just whether you have the guts to defend the for cause in court.

[CU Tiger]

You usually don't have to pay a buyout in a for cause termination. It's just whether you have the guts to defend the for cause in court.

right, but it is always prudent to give your counsel fair opportunity to review the contract and advise if you have sufficient evidence "for cause" and if not to quietly negotiate an exit.

[Logan]

Mike Rice didn't get fired for cause at Rutgers. It's rarely that easy.

[Atocep]

I stand corrected. It sounds like Briles gets fired today.

[Logan]

Took way too long.

[Atocep]

The investigation must have turned up some crazy stuff because the firm they hired to do the investigation doesn't have a reputation for digging deep to get to the truth. They're hired to help spin and mitigate damage.

[cartman]

You'd think after the whole basketball fiasco that Baylor's athletic department would not want to get burned again.

[digamma]

Just when it looked like the Starrs had aligned for Briles...

[molson]

It's a tough time to be a university dealing with stuff like this. You can't do too little, but you also can't do too much. More recently, I think the pendulum has swung in the direction of more media and legal commentator criticism towards universities who are too aggressive in addressing sexual misconduct of students against other students. I read a ton of stuff now about how universities should stay out of it completely and "leave it to the police".

[cartman]

It's a tough time to be a university dealing with stuff like this. You can't do too little, but you also can't do too much. More recently, I think the pendulum has swung in the direction of more media and legal commentator criticism towards universities who are too aggressive in addressing sexual misconduct of students against other students. I read a ton of stuff now about how universities should stay out of it completely and "leave it to the police".

But most colleges, Baylor included, have a university police department.

[muns]

It's a tough time to be a university dealing with stuff like this. You can't do too little, but you also can't do too much. More recently, I think the pendulum has swung in the direction of more media and legal commentator criticism towards universities who are too aggressive in addressing sexual misconduct of students against other students. I read a ton of stuff now about how universities should stay out of it completely and "leave it to the police".

We can't stay out of it even if we want to. I would want nothing more than to hand over any type of sexual related stuff over to the police and say have at it, however, title IX/ the federal government forces us to do things or risk funding. So, here I am investigating sexual assaults, sexual harassments, rapes, stalkings, relationship violence and anything else that falls under the title IX umbrella.

Staying out of it isn't even an option anymore. Once it gets reported, we are on notice.

[molson]

But most colleges, Baylor included, have a university police department.

Those officers, at least at Baylor, are the same as any other Texas police officers and are a part of the criminal justice system. I'm just talking about the difference between university (non-police) investigations and discipline v. the criminal justice system.



We can't stay out of it even if we want to. I would want nothing more than to hand over any type of sexual related stuff over to the police and say have at it, however, title IX/ the federal government forces us to do things or risk funding. So, here I am investigating sexual assaults, sexual harassments, rapes, stalkings, relationship violence and anything else that falls under the title IX umbrella.

Staying out of it isn't even an option anymore. Once it gets reported, we are on notice.


And I think that's a good thing, and that this growing opinion to the contrary is backwards-thinking. It brings us back to a time where victims are ignored and have to just deal with it and see their rapists every day or drop out of college. Because criminal charges aren't always possible, it's a high standard, and it's ultimately up to the non-challengeable opinion of one prosecutor, or one officer.

But, it's a whole thing right now, bolstered by some high-profile lawsuits. I hang out at /r/law a lot, and this is one of the more contentious issues there at the moment. And this is the rallying cry from progressive commentators like at Slate. Which makes it kind of scary - if there's both liberal and conservative voices that want campuses to ignore and defer this stuff, then it has real traction. This is the kind of stuff that's cited there.

College rape: Campus sexual assault is a serious problem. But the efforts to protect women are infringing on the civil rights of men. (http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2014/12/college_rape_campus_sexual_assault_is_a_serious_problem_but_the_efforts.html)

The police, not universities, should be handling rape accusations | The John William Pope Center for Higher Education Policy (http://www.popecenter.org/commentaries/article.html?id=3163)

For Students Accused Of Campus Rape, Legal Victories Win Back Rights : NPR (http://www.npr.org/2015/10/15/446083439/for-students-accused-of-campus-rape-legal-victories-win-back-rights)

Several students win recent lawsuits against colleges that punished them for sexual assault (https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2016/04/14/several-students-win-recent-lawsuits-against-colleges-punished-them-sexual-assault)

Police, not colleges, should investigate sex assaults on campus (David M. Rubin) | syracuse.com (http://www.syracuse.com/opinion/index.ssf/2014/05/sexual_assaults_on_college_campuses.html)

But maybe the Baylor thing transcends all this and they were actively thwarting police investigations. And ya, there's Title IX, but this is more policy-driven, emotion-based reactions, that I guess include calls for changing the law or interpreting it differently.

[Logan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Baylor admits to &quot;directly discouraging some complainants from reporting (incidents) &amp; retaliated against one for reporting sexual assault&quot;</p>&mdash; Brett McMurphy (@McMurphyESPN) <a href="https://twitter.com/McMurphyESPN/status/735876290302083072">May 26, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[murrayyyyy]

Somehow I think this Pepper Hamilton report is going to be much much worse than people think.

[MacroGuru]

Just from reading the broad strokes on it that I have seen...it's very damning for Briles and his staff.

If any of them coach again, it will be to soon.

[Atocep]

I don't see Briles landing another D1 head coaching job. The best he can probably do is sit out a couple of years and get a non P5 OC job.

Any AD that even throws his name in for consideration should be fired.

[cartman]

Somehow I think this Pepper Hamilton report is going to be much much worse than people think.

Here's the 'Findings of Fact' document.

http://www.baylor.edu/rtsv/doc.php/266596.pdf

[muns]

Those officers, at least at Baylor, are the same as any other Texas police officers and are a part of the criminal justice system. I'm just talking about the difference between university (non-police) investigations and discipline v. the criminal justice system.



And I think that's a good thing, and that this growing opinion to the contrary is backwards-thinking. It brings us back to a time where victims are ignored and have to just deal with it and see their rapists every day or drop out of college. Because criminal charges aren't always possible, it's a high standard, and it's ultimately up to the non-challengeable opinion of one prosecutor, or one officer.

But, it's a whole thing right now, bolstered by some high-profile lawsuits. I hang out at /r/law a lot, and this is one of the more contentious issues there at the moment. This is the kind of stuff that's cited there. And this is the rallying cry from progressive commentators like at Slate. Which makes it kind of scary - if there's both liberal and conservative voices that want campuses to ignore and defer this stuff, then it has real traction.

College rape: Campus sexual assault is a serious problem. But the efforts to protect women are infringing on the civil rights of men. (http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2014/12/college_rape_campus_sexual_assault_is_a_serious_problem_but_the_efforts.html)

The police, not universities, should be handling rape accusations | The John William Pope Center for Higher Education Policy (http://www.popecenter.org/commentaries/article.html?id=3163)

For Students Accused Of Campus Rape, Legal Victories Win Back Rights : NPR (http://www.npr.org/2015/10/15/446083439/for-students-accused-of-campus-rape-legal-victories-win-back-rights)

Several students win recent lawsuits against colleges that punished them for sexual assault (https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2016/04/14/several-students-win-recent-lawsuits-against-colleges-punished-them-sexual-assault)

Police, not colleges, should investigate sex assaults on campus (David M. Rubin) | syracuse.com (http://www.syracuse.com/opinion/index.ssf/2014/05/sexual_assaults_on_college_campuses.html)

But maybe the Baylor thing transcends all this and they were actively thwarting police investigations. And ya, there's Title IX, but this is more policy-driven, emotion-based reactions, that I guess include calls for changing the law or interpreting it differently.


Even if there is a law enforcement investigation, and it makes it to trial, there still needs to be a University response. They are 2 separate process that can occur at the same time, even if the police force is from the college. If people at Baylor are getting axed, I am sure they were trying to cover something up or like you said were actively doing things they weren't supposed to be doing.

Colleges have been screwing this up for years, and continue to screw it up today. It swings one way, and we react, and it swings the other way and we react again. No matter what we do we are going to be wrong. It's a no win situation for everybody working at the college level. 1 phone call, no matter if the college did anything wrong, has OCR at your doorstep demanding to be let in

[murrayyyyy]

Alleged text that Briles sent to his players...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CjZZVT1UkAAgZOD.jpg

[muns]

Here's the 'Findings of Fact' document.

http://www.baylor.edu/rtsv/doc.php/266596.pdf

Good god is this just awful.

Honestly though this is how most institutions are. Slowly coming around to what they need to do. Most smaller institutions do not have the money to be doing what they are supposed to be doing as the guidance (cough, cough) er.... I mean mandates, don't come with additional funding by the government.

[Subby]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In the last 15 years, Baylor men's sports have covered up a murder, domestic violence, and rape allegations. <br>Close the program.</p>&mdash; profloumoore (@loumoore12) <a href="https://twitter.com/loumoore12/status/735882458827198466">May 26, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[Kodos]

It really is sickening. Give Baylor sports the death penalty.

[HomerSimpson98]

yep. Baylor will soon be back to its rightful place in the pecking order.

[murrayyyyy]

yep. Baylor will soon be back to its rightful place in the pecking order.

So the Big 12 needs 3 teams in expansion now? (look, someone had to throw it out there)

[JonInMiddleGA]

It really is sickening. Give Baylor sports the death penalty.

I'd say the only significant difference in them & virtually everybody else is that they've ended up getting caught on it here.

If you think this doesn't happen frequently -- in terms of discouragement -- I'd say you're being very naive.

[JonInMiddleGA]

We can't stay out of it even if we want to. I would want nothing more than to hand over any type of sexual related stuff over to the police and say have at it, however, title IX/ the federal government forces us to do things or risk funding. So, here I am investigating sexual assaults, sexual harassments, rapes, stalkings, relationship violence and anything else that falls under the title IX umbrella.

Staying out of it isn't even an option anymore. Once it gets reported, we are on notice.

Which is part of what makes Title IX one of the absolute worst, most irresponsible, most absurd pieces of legislation in U.S. history.

It's a fucking abomination given how it's tentacles ultimately spread.

[Kodos]

I'd say the only significant difference in them & virtually everybody else is that they've ended up getting caught on it here.

If you think this doesn't happen frequently -- in terms of discouragement -- I'd say you're being very naive.

I'm sure Baylor isn't the only place this goes on. But I'm fine with making an example of them.

[muns]

Which is part of what makes Title IX one of the absolute worst, most irresponsible, most absurd pieces of legislation in U.S. history.

It's a fucking abomination given how it's tentacles ultimately spread.

While I wont disagree with some of what you say Jon, I will say that if colleges were doing what they were supposed to with sexual assault victims, there wouldn't be any need for OCR/ the feds to be ramming it down our throats.

This Baylor thing is another prime example of what we shouldn't be doing, and it just paints ALL colleges/universities with a broad brush and empowers the feds to say "See, told you so. Without us having to hold your hands you would still be pushing it all under the rug".

It's sad, and on a humanistic level, gut wrenching.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I'm sure Baylor isn't the only place this goes on. But I'm fine with making an example of them.

Not sure that I am, and here's a very simplified explanation of why:
Duke lacrosse.

After that debacle, what program in their right mind wouldn't turn insular? Hell, given the Duke travesty, those that were already quite insular before it certainly seemed to have had good reason to be.

--------------

A separate, mostly, thought that I'm going to throw here rather than dola.

It's rather obvious that there's an awful lot of athletes on a LOT of college campuses that wouldn't be within 50 miles of a university otherwise. And there's not a shortage of sketchy characters (putting it mildly) among them. If that's what you're recruiting, what the hell do people expect to happen?

[HomerSimpson98]

So the Big 12 needs 3 teams in expansion now? (look, someone had to throw it out there)

LOL. UT to the rescue!

[dawgfan]

A separate, mostly, thought that I'm going to throw here rather than dola.

It's rather obvious that there's an awful lot of athletes on a LOT of college campuses that wouldn't be within 50 miles of a university otherwise. And there's not a shortage of sketchy characters (putting it mildly) among them. If that's what you're recruiting, what the hell do people expect to happen?
Bad things are going to happen. While that's not comforting, and that's not something anyone should be happy about, it's also not the real issue here with what's happened at Baylor. The issue is how they reacted to it, from Briles and his staff through the athletic department and up through the University administration.

[molson]

It swings one way, and we react, and it swings the other way and we react again. No matter what we do we are going to be wrong. It's a no win situation for everybody working at the college level. 1 phone call, no matter if the college did anything wrong, has OCR at your doorstep demanding to be let in

Yup, that was my main point, that this stuff seems like a nightmare to deal with from the outside. But, it looks like Baylor was so far outside what could even arguably be considered appropriate, so no controversy there.

[muns]

Bad things are going to happen. While that's not comforting, and that's not something anyone should be happy about, it's also not the real issue here with what's happened at Baylor. The issue is how they reacted to it, from Briles and his staff through the athletic department and up through the University administration.

I think there the other issue they are gonna get called on the carpet/ dinged for is recruiting transfers with shady pasts. They are supposed to be reviewing transfer students both in admissions and in athletics. Reading that document it basically says athletics was driving the ship which is a "no-no".

While OCR wont come right out and say it, the hint that everybody is supposed to be taking is you don't accept people who have either been thrown out of another school for sexual misconduct, or have transferred before a hearing has taken place. Most institutions require what's called a deans report for the admissions process which gives that institution access to an applicants previous conduct records along with other stuff. Baylor either failed to do it, or ignored what they found. Because of that decision people got hurt.

*This is where Jon's point of over reach takes place, because if the other college has a kangaroo court/ student conduct/ judicial system, an innocent student's educational rights get violated because they don't/ can't get into another school.

[Logan]

I think there the other issue they are gonna get called on the carpet/ dinged for is recruiting transfers with shady pasts. They are supposed to be reviewing transfer students both in admissions and in athletics. Reading that document it basically says athletics was driving the ship which is a "no-no".

Also not a good look that the scrubbing would prevent other schools from noticing the shady pasts of kids who were transferring out.

[dawgfan]

I think there the other issue they are gonna get called on the carpet/ dinged for is recruiting transfers with shady pasts. They are supposed to be reviewing transfer students both in admissions and in athletics. Reading that document it basically says athletics was driving the ship which is a "no-no".
They certainly were, and the whole tiff between Briles and Chris Petersen should be revisited with the release of this investigation:

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2015/8/21/9189025/baylor-boise-state-art-briles-sam-ukwuachu

Is there anyone that doesn't think Briles was lying out of his ass regarding Ukwuachu and what Petersen told him?

[muns]

They certainly were, and the whole tiff between Briles and Chris Petersen should be revisited with the release of this investigation:

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2015/8/21/9189025/baylor-boise-state-art-briles-sam-ukwuachu

Is there anyone that doesn't think Briles was lying out of his ass regarding Ukwuachu and what Petersen told him?

Thanks for bringing that back up, as I had totally forgotten about that. I need to read more on that now to see how that is going to fit in here. Seems like stuff is going to just keep piling on.

[murrayyyyy]

Somehow I think there may be a change here...

https://twitter.com/McMurphyESPN/status/736169410956820480?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

[molson]

Speaking of Petersen, Boise St. is also becoming a hotbed (maybe that's the wrong term in this instance) of sexual misconduct. Three players were recently suspended or expelled following "Title IX inquiries" of sexual assaults. (They weren't recruited by Petersen, but Boise St. is apparently continuing his tradition of going after questionable character guys because hey, how the hell else do you recruit to Idaho). The big news angle is that the school did not notify the police of any of the incidents - and they weren't required to under state law. So there's a big debate on that, with one side worrying about these things being swept under the rug, and the other worrying that victims will be less likely to seek help if a police referral is a mandatory result. This is already kind of a touchy situation in Idaho where a few years ago, a college professor murdered a student he was having a sexual relationship with. The school was aware that the relationship was spiraling out of control and that state criminal stalking laws were being violated, but the police weren't contacted. A big lawsuit settlement followed.

[Atocep]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Baylor admits to &quot;directly discouraging some complainants from reporting (incidents) &amp; retaliated against one for reporting sexual assault&quot;</p>&mdash; Brett McMurphy (@McMurphyESPN) <a href="https://twitter.com/McMurphyESPN/status/735876290302083072">May 26, 2016</a></blockquote>
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According to someone on the Texas board Briles was sending assistant coaches to talk to girls directly in order to pressure them into not reporting incidents.

[bronconick]

Baylor Bears hire Jim Grobe as interim coach (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/15834890/baylor-bears-hire-jim-grobe-interim-coach)

[JonInMiddleGA]

Baylor Bears hire Jim Grobe as interim coach (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/15834890/baylor-bears-hire-jim-grobe-interim-coach)

Yeah, that definitely feels like one where the "interim" tag won't be removed at season's end.

[cartman]

Baylor's AD is out now as well.

[CU Tiger]

Yeah, that definitely feels like one where the "interim" tag won't be removed at season's end.

Grobe will be AD at seasons end.

But make no mistake Jim Grove is a GREAT college football coach, super high integrity, good Christian man, a great fit at Baylor.

He had offers to be the HC at Nebraska but turned it down because he gave his word...then wake Forestate disn't hold up their end of the bargain.

There are 100 programs in the county who would improve by hiring Jim Grobe as their Head Coach

[JonInMiddleGA]

There are 100 programs in the county who would improve by hiring Jim Grobe as their Head Coach

Nice enough fellow most likely, I don't see him being able to even keep Baylor competitive for very long.

edit: As a coach I mean. I have no real thoughts on his AD skills.

[CU Tiger]

I guess time will tell who is right.

The fact that he won an ACC Championship at Wake Forest is one of the more impressive feats in my lifetime as college coach, imho.

[HomerSimpson98]

Grobe will be AD at seasons end.

But make no mistake Jim Grove is a GREAT college football coach, super high integrity, good Christian man, a great fit at Baylor.

He had offers to be the HC at Nebraska but turned it down because he gave his word...then wake Forestate disn't hold up their end of the bargain.

There are 100 programs in the county who would improve by hiring Jim Grobe as their Head Coach

I love Grobe as well, but I disagree with all of this. Grobe had a couple of very good seasons at Wake when the ACC was dogshit. I figured he'd move on to a bigger program or continue to build the program - he did neither. But the time, he left, Wake was back to being Wake. 100 programs? No.

I also dont know why he'd link his name to Baylor right now. Its toxic. Maybe he's desperate to back into coaching - I dont know. And if he's never been an AD, I see no way Baylor will give a rookie AD one of, if not the most difficult, current jobs in the country.

Like many have said before, its going to get alot worse in Waco before it gets better.

[CU Tiger]

I love Grobe as well, but I disagree with all of this. Grobe had a couple of very good seasons at Wake when the ACC was dogshit. I figured he'd move on to a bigger program or continue to build the program - he did neither. But the time, he left, Wake was back to being Wake. 100 programs? No.



His last few years in Winston he was very frustrated and not very committed. He was also forced to not back fill several support positions when people left for greener pastures. Never mind that he spend an entire football season without an office and routinely had coach meetings at his house because of unwillingness to fix issues as basic as water leaks.

It is entirely possible I am a touch blinded by affinity but I also know there were a lot of things that were never public there. When he turned down Nebraska it was with the understanding he would be given funding to offer significant raises to his staff, equal to what they would have made had they gone with him, and that never came to fruition beyond a token bump.


I will readily agree that the ACC was down when he won it, and I have publicly called it an embarrassment for WF to ever win a football conference championship. But make no mistake, he did win it.

The bigger question to me is can BAYLOR attract Tier 1 athletes without major flaws and without violating the NCAA rules to do so. I am not sure Briles has proven the can.

The fact that both are historically Baptist Institutes shouldn't be overlooked when asking 'Why Baylor?' either.

[murrayyyyy]

Reports: Baylor brass considering one-year suspension for Art Briles - CBSSports.com (http://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/baylor-brass-reportedly-considering-one-year-suspension-for-art-briles/)

Well just when you think the Baylor situation can't get any more amazing... So they'll just suspend Briles for a season and bring him back. Me thinks someone spiked the Dr. Pepper.

[Atocep]

I don't see the other schools in the Big 12 allowing that to happen. I'm not surprised at all that they'd try it.

If something happens to the Big 12 Baylor is doing a great job of making sure no conference will want anything to do with them.

[HomerSimpson98]

His last few years in Winston he was very frustrated and not very committed. He was also forced to not back fill several support positions when people left for greener pastures. Never mind that he spend an entire football season without an office and routinely had coach meetings at his house because of unwillingness to fix issues as basic as water leaks.

It is entirely possible I am a touch blinded by affinity but I also know there were a lot of things that were never public there. When he turned down Nebraska it was with the understanding he would be given funding to offer significant raises to his staff, equal to what they would have made had they gone with him, and that never came to fruition beyond a token bump.


I will readily agree that the ACC was down when he won it, and I have publicly called it an embarrassment for WF to ever win a football conference championship. But make no mistake, he did win it.

The bigger question to me is can BAYLOR attract Tier 1 athletes without major flaws and without violating the NCAA rules to do so. I am not sure Briles has proven the can.

The fact that both are historically Baptist Institutes shouldn't be overlooked when asking 'Why Baylor?' either.

Just saw this. And as always, a comprehensive and thoughtful reply. Thanks sir.

To answer your Baylor recruiting question, I think the answer is yes (at least at the offensive skill positions), they can, or at least could in the current environment. Going forward and without Briles, the answer is no. I think kids have proven over and over, they want to go to a winner. No matter how the green slime did it, they were definitely winning. Now that the hammer is on its way down, I dont see any way Baylor can continue to recruit like it has been the past couple of years, which again, makes me wonder why Grobe took the job in the first place. The defense is below average (and has been) and I just dont see the offense clicking without Daddy Briles there. I see 6-6 or 7-5 this year and then a bunch of sub .500 years after that.

[murrayyyyy]

which again, makes me wonder why Grobe took the job in the first place.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_malhscJ1Qu1qcytwbo1_500.jpg

Worked out well for us :banghead:

[HomerSimpson98]

good ol Johnelle LOL

[CU Tiger]

Ok So Robinson and Jones from Alabama have had charges dropped and both will be eligible to return to the football team without punishment since no charges were filed.

Not surprising I suppose.

However what IS shocking to me is this quote from the D.A.

DA Jerry Jones told KNOE-TV the thinking behind the decision.

"I want to emphasize once again that the main reason I'm doing this is that I refuse to ruin the lives of two young men who have spent their adolescence and teenage years, working and sweating, while we were all in the air conditioning," Jones told KNOE.


I'm no lawyer but dont we have a DA here publicly admitting to refusing to prosecute simply because these kids play football?

I mean this isnt a grey area case. The kids were charged with illegal possession of a firearm. The gun was in the lap of Robinson when they were stopped. He told the police he didnt know where he got it. The gun was confiscated along with another stolen gun in the car.

They were in possession of stolen handguns.

Its getting harder for me to remain a college football fan when I see young men's lives ruined by the system.

DA won't prosecute Alabama's Cam Robinson, Hootie Jones on weapons, drug charges | AL.com (http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2016/06/prosecution_declined_on_all_ch.html)

[Logan]

Brutal quote. Yet not surprising.

[JonInMiddleGA]

There's a D.A. that ought to have been out of office before the sun set.

But apparently he's really popular in his Louisiana district, the longest to ever hold the job there.

From an 2014 article (http://www.thenewsstar.com/story/news/local/2014/08/25/da-jones-wins-th-term/14595309/)(when he ran unopposed) "has a reputation for a light touch with nonviolent criminals and an iron first with violent ones"

I do think it's probably worth noting here that this isn't a case of "a Bama guy covering for his team" or something. This is a DA in another state, a state that's home to one of Bama's would-be rivals even.

[tarcone]

B1G signs with ESPN. Half their tier 1 rights go for $190 million.

[dawgfan]

Shady behavior by Pat Haden while chairman of the George Henry Mayr Foundation (http://deadspin.com/report-usc-ad-pat-haden-funneled-scholarship-foundatio-1782297959)

[Logan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bill Hancock told reporters here that the CFP is beginning to explore &quot;alternatives&quot; to Dec. 31 semifinals starting with 2018 season</p>&mdash; Stewart Mandel (@slmandel) <a href="https://twitter.com/slmandel/status/753270936959344640">July 13, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[albionmoonlight]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bill Hancock told reporters here that the CFP is beginning to explore &quot;alternatives&quot; to Dec. 31 semifinals starting with 2018 season</p>&mdash; Stewart Mandel (@slmandel) <a href="https://twitter.com/slmandel/status/753270936959344640">July 13, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Thanks goodness. I'd love to talk to whomever thought that was a good idea in the first place to understand their thought process. Why take one of the few nights of the year when people have plans to go out with friends and put the games on then?

[Logan]

Mack Rhoades sprints away from the Mizzou AD job, seeking comfort in leading the athletic department of Baylor.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Mack Rhoades sprints away from the Mizzou AD job, seeking comfort in leading the athletic department of Baylor.

I saw that, made me wonder if the guy is some sort of masochist. (given the timing of his two arrivals)

[panerd]

Mack Rhoades sprints away from the Mizzou AD job, seeking comfort in leading the athletic department of Baylor.

I'll try not to put the MBBF spin on this too bad but Missouri football players hold ridiculous protest and within a year both its greatest football coach of all time and it's freshly hired AD gone. Not a coincidence.

[tarcone]

Miaaou is a train wreck. Their enrollment is down. Things are going to be tough there for awhile.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Jake Trotter
ESPN Staff Writer


Big 12 media days not off to a great start. Bob Bowlsby refers to new Baylor coach Jim Grobe as "Al Groh."

[tarcone]

The AP listed their all time top 25 recently. Very interesting. It actually lists more of than the top 25.

Ohio State Buckeyes, Oklahoma Sooners, Notre Dame Fighting Irish top AP's all-time Top 25 (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/17201971/ohio-state-buckeyes-oklahoma-sooners-notre-dame-fighting-irish-top-ap-all-top-25)

[Logan]

Baylor offensive lineman Rami Hammad accused last fall of sexually assaulting student, violating a university-issued no contact order (http://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/17216980/baylor-offensive-lineman-rami-hammad-accused-last-fall-sexually-assaulting-student-violating-university-issued-no-contact-order)

[digamma]

Reports have Georgia Tech AD Mike Bobinski taking the Purdue AD job. Guy was never a fit at GT and you know the old door not hitting you on the way out...that's what's happening here.

[MacroGuru]

Fifth year Senior AZ OL passes away in his sleep (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/arizona-ol-zach-hemmila-passes-away-165534127.html;_ylt=A0LEViQe7qlXCFQATn4nnIlQ;_ylu=X3oDMTByMjB0aG5zBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzYw--)

AZ has taken a beating this off season.

[panerd]

May have to change my vote to Hillary. :-)

Democratic vice presidential candidate Tim Kaine says he would ‘broker deal’ to resume KU-Mizzou rivalry, accepting Jay Nixon’s challenge | The Kansas City Star (https://www.google.com/amp/s/kansascity.relaymedia.com/amp/sports/college/article94549587.html?client=safari)

[MrBug708]

BYU coaches pushing hard to get Mique to transfer from UCLA. Curious to see how things transpire

[MacroGuru]

BYU coaches pushing hard to get Mique to transfer from UCLA. Curious to see how things transpire

Um...doubt they are tampering.

BYU fans would like to see Mique transfer.