Super Bowl 50 Thread

[cartman]

The big game is this Sunday. Bovada has released their prop bets for the game.

Super Bowl prop bets 2016: Full list including national anthem, coin toss, MVP and more - SBNation.com (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2016/2/1/10880632/super-bowl-50-prop-bets-mvp-national-anthem-coin-toss)

[albionmoonlight]

It is fun being in NC. More local excitement for the game than most SBs.

I am going for Carolina, but if Denver wins and Manning goes out with his second Super Bowl, then that's pretty cool, too.

[EagleFan]

Lady Gaga to sing the anthem? Great, outsourcing that now...

[Vince, Pt. II]

It's amazing how much having the Super Bowl in your "town" impacts life. I work for the local utility company and we've been in a state of emergency readiness for a week already. I cannot wait for it all to be over.

[cartman]

Lady Gaga to sing the anthem? Great, outsourcing that now...

Eh? She was born and raised in New York.

[Dutch]

I thought she was from outer space?

[stevew]

I don't like the weird outfits and such, but she's a talented performer, singer and actress.

[EagleFan]

Eh? She was born and raised in New York.

Thought she was British? Not sure why, just always thought she was.

[MrBug708]

I've been to one of her concerts. It was pretty amazing, she's ultra-talented, but she's one weird person.

[murrayyyyy]

Westgate Super Bowl 50 Props - LVASports (http://lvasports.com/westgate-super-bowl-50-props/)

Westgate Superbook odds if you wanted them.

[Suicane75]

I love Broncos -7.5 +475, big. I'd add smaller wagers on the higher lines as well.

[Abe Sargent]

Go Panthers

[Fidatelo]

Go Broncos

[korme]

Panthers by a mile

[Critch]

http://oi65.tinypic.com/2pyyqhg.jpg

ESPN looking forward to the Florida v Denver Super Bowl.

[EagleFan]

Jagr's first Super Bowl.

[SackAttack]

Screw Lord Stanley's Cup, we're goin' for Vince Lombardi's Trophy.

[Radii]

"Panthers LB Thomas Davis (forearm) was a full participant in practice today."

That makes me extremely happy.

[Groundhog]

Can't wait for this coming Monday (Australia time). It's been a tradition for me and a circle of friends to take the day off work to watch the game (...and start on the beers from 10am) for over 10 years now. We're down to 4 of us for this Monday, but we've found a US-themed bar (yeah, that's a thing over here right now) showing the game and I'll be cheering on Cam and the Panthers.

[nol]

but we've found a US-themed bar (yeah, that's a thing over here right now)

What kind of Outback Steakhouse rip-off is that? :D

[Groundhog]

What kind of Outback Steakhouse rip-off is that? :D

Funny thing about Outback Steakhouse is that we have them in Australia too (same US chain), with the same American-styled food with bad, Crocodile Dundee-inspired names. :)

[bhlloy]

Outback is my absolute least favorite restaurant in the US. I'd rather go to Chilis or shudder Olive Garden

Awesome news on Davis. Hope he wins the MVP

[Kodos]

"Panthers LB Thomas Davis (forearm) was a full participant in practice today."

That makes me extremely happy.

Good for him. :)

[Kodos]

Funny thing about Outback Steakhouse is that we have them in Australia too (same US chain), with the same American-styled food with bad, Crocodile Dundee-inspired names. :)

Huh. Outback is my favorite restaurant. Or, at least it was before I became a vegetarian. The Aussie Cheese Fries and Victoria's filet are delicious!

Actually, I like Chili's and OG too.

[Dutch]

Funny thing about Outback Steakhouse is that we have them in Australia too (same US chain), with the same American-styled food with bad, Crocodile Dundee-inspired names. :)

Ive always wondered what Australian's would think about Outback Steakhouse. So there is nothing Australian about it but the theme.

If I ever go to Australia, do you have good Steakhouses??? Is that a thing there (besides the American imports?)

[Thomkal]

"Panthers LB Thomas Davis (forearm) was a full participant in practice today."

That makes me extremely happy.

+1

[revrew]

I'm a big Broncos fan, but I fear the Denver squad is seriously outmatched in this one.

[Dutch]

BREAKING: ESPN is reporting that Cam Newton is the 6th black guy to QB a Super Bowl team.

[Groundhog]

Ive always wondered what Australian's would think about Outback Steakhouse. So there is nothing Australian about it but the theme.

If I ever go to Australia, do you have good Steakhouses??? Is that a thing there (besides the American imports?)

It's more the way the food is prepared, serving sizes, and the side dishes that aren't 'Austrailan' - ie. cheese fries for example is not something you typically see here, except in US chains like Outback/Hooters/etc.

We've got similar chains to Outback here that are more traditionally Australian (steak with salad sides, fries or baked potato, etc.), but it's more the quality of the beef itself that makes a good Aussie steakhouse. Around Darling Harbour in Sydney there's 2 steakhouses that aren't chains but I rate them as highly as any I've had around the world.

[Fidatelo]

I'm a big Broncos fan, but I fear the Denver offense is seriously outmatched in this one.

Fixed.

[korme]

The 30 for 30 Bears doc was incredible.

[Radii]

Denver has the best defense in football but will be facing an attack it has yet to face before - NFL (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14705931/denver-best-defense-football-facing-attack-yet-face-nfl)

I like Barnwell. I hope he is right here. Its so weird seeing Carolina picked by practically everyone.

[Galaril]

Denver has the best defense in football but will be facing an attack it has yet to face before - NFL (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14705931/denver-best-defense-football-facing-attack-yet-face-nfl)

I like Barnwell. I hope he is right here. Its so weird seeing Carolina picked by practically everyone.
I am loving the way the Broncos are completely being discounted .....again with apparently no chance in this game and from all accounts it is providing huge bulletin board material for them. Being the underdogs has played out well for this team recently and most of this year. Also, reports are that unlike in the New York SB where it was like 20-1 Seahawk to Broncos fans it appear tDenver may even see a slight home crowd advantage at SB50.

[jaygr]

I'm glad to finally have a year where I don't have a horse in the race. Admittedly I can get too caught up in the 'I don't want this team to win because they did this, or because of this player or that'. I've got no bones to pick with either team so I am looking forward to just enjoying the game for what it is.

[sabotai]

Denver has the best defense in football but will be facing an attack it has yet to face before - NFL (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14705931/denver-best-defense-football-facing-attack-yet-face-nfl)

I like Barnwell. I hope he is right here. Its so weird seeing Carolina picked by practically everyone.

One of the reasons it's been hard for me to really get a good handle on the game. Denver hasn't faced an offense like Carolina's, but Carolina hasn't faced a defense as good as Denver's. That's that side that is most in the air (Car Off vs. Den Def).

I think Denver will probably score ~20 points, and that's if they execute their game plan perfectly. It'll be up to Denver's defense to keep Carolina under that.

And Manning will have to be careful with the ball. Carolina's defense forced a turnover on nearly 20% of their drives - 1st in the league (Denver's defense was 12% of drives ending in a TO). Not only that, but offenses scored against Carolina on 26.5% of drives (1st in the league - Denver's defense was 2nd with giving up a score on 26.9% of drives). Denver can not afford to waste any opportunity. Carolina has enough offensive fire to make up for a few bad breaks. Denver does not. Not against Carolina's defense. One red zone turnover will probably lose the game for them (if their defense is keeping them in it).


(Now that I said that, watch Denver win 38-13...)

[Marmel]

I see this game pretty much going like SB42. The story is almost the same other than that 1 win by Atlanta this year. The Denver defense will limit what the Panther's offense is able to do with a strong rush and hold them under 20. Can Denver get to 20 points? Well, like 42, there is a Manning under center. A late drive pushes them to 20 points and a 20-17 victory.

[Logan]

If I was betting I would take Denver and the under.

[digamma]

On the prop side, I have:

Ted Ginn over 5.5 rushing yards
No 2 Pt. Conversion to be attempted (-175)
Color of coach's victory gatorade dumping to be YELLOW (+600)

[Thomkal]

I just hope that unlike the Arizona/Carolina game, the score is close and competetive without any major injuries. Goes down to the 4th quarter with a close game. And Carolina wins of course :)

[Dutch]

I kind of think this game will go similar to that actually, with the Panthers getting out quick and the Broncos trying to come back...but I think ultimately it will be a 10+ victory for the Panthers. 35-21 or something around there is my guess.

[Fidatelo]

I'm tentatively excited about this game. Hopeful that the Broncos D can keep things close and maybe they steal it in the end. But realistically I have a feeling this is going to be a classic 80's-style Super Bowl where it is never really in doubt past the first quarter.

[Carman Bulldog]

I see this game pretty much going like SB42. The story is almost the same other than that 1 win by Atlanta this year. The Denver defense will limit what the Panther's offense is able to do with a strong rush and hold them under 20. Can Denver get to 20 points? Well, like 42, there is a Manning under center. A late drive pushes them to 20 points and a 20-17 victory.

I get the feeling that something along the lines of this will be how it goes down. I just have a feeling that while Carolina may look more impressive throughout, the bounces and breaks will go the Broncos way to keep them in it for a late drive win.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I just can't see this going any way other than repeated instances of Newton escaping the rush & getting into space.

That makes me awfully sad but that's what I expect :/

[TroyF]

One of the reasons it's been hard for me to really get a good handle on the game. Denver hasn't faced an offense like Carolina's, but Carolina hasn't faced a defense as good as Denver's. That's that side that is most in the air (Car Off vs. Den Def).

I think Denver will probably score ~20 points, and that's if they execute their game plan perfectly. It'll be up to Denver's defense to keep Carolina under that.

And Manning will have to be careful with the ball. Carolina's defense forced a turnover on nearly 20% of their drives - 1st in the league (Denver's defense was 12% of drives ending in a TO). Not only that, but offenses scored against Carolina on 26.5% of drives (1st in the league - Denver's defense was 2nd with giving up a score on 26.9% of drives). Denver can not afford to waste any opportunity. Carolina has enough offensive fire to make up for a few bad breaks. Denver does not. Not against Carolina's defense. One red zone turnover will probably lose the game for them (if their defense is keeping them in it).


(Now that I said that, watch Denver win 38-13...)

Pretty much this. Denver cannot turn the ball over. I can't state that in any different way. I don't see a way Denver can win this football game if the offense turns the ball over 3 or more times and I have a tough time seeing how it can win with 2 turnovers.

On the other side, I'm really, really, really sick of the lack of respect this defense continues to get. Look at this quote from Barmell:


The truth is that the Broncos aren't an especially great fit for this Panthers offense. You'd want a defense who can stand up in short-yardage situations, and the Broncos are the second worst short-yardage run defense in the league (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/dl), ahead of only Carolina. (Remember that when the camera pans over to Riverboat Ron before a fourth-and-short.) If you wanted to construct a defense that was designed to stop Carolina, you'd want penetrating interior linemen who could blow up plays in the backfield, rangy inside linebackers who could run with Newton and tight end Greg Olsen (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/10475/greg-olsen), and safeties who weren't going to get burned deep.

Really? Ok, he's dead on about the Broncos in short yardage. But the rest of the drivel? Denver has interior lineman that penetrate and blow up plays. (they have the title of DE, but in the Denver front they play more like DT's.) Derek Wolfe and Malik Jackson do just that. Marshall and Trevathan are solid linebackers. The safeties really only get burned deep when they are hurt and their backups are in.

Denver has not faced a Cam Newton this year. Carolina hasn't faced Denver either. This Denver defense built around "speed rushers" held opposing rushing offenses to 3.3 yards per play this year. It isn't like Denver had massive leads and teams stopped trying to run against them. It was actually the opposite. Teams were in virtually every Denver game and tried to run all day. Very few could.

Look, Carolina is a great football team and they may blow Denver the hell out. It wouldn't be shocking to see Carolina have this thing finished by the end of the first quarter.

But I don't think that's going to happen. I think the Denver defense is a lot better than people think it is. A vast majority of the "experts" picked Denver to lose against NE because of Brady and the Pats. It was only AFTER the game where everyone started making excuses for the Patriots flaws. I think we are going to see the same thing today. Win or lose, I think the Denver defense is going to make things very, very hard on Carolina.

If I'm wrong, it'll be the first time all season I'll have been wrong about this defense, so I'll take it. Here is to a good game. Good luck Panthers fans. May the game be decided by the players. No early injuries, no ridiculous calls either way. . . just a good solid game of football where the best team wins.

[QuikSand]

I just flipped on the pregame show (I know), and saw a segment about Tony Gonzalez being flown around with the Blue Angels. It made for roughly 60 seconds of very forgettable footage, airing at 3pm ET.

How does this make sense for anyone involved other than Gonzalez? CBS, Uncle Sam... both losers here, it seems. Beats me. SB Fever I guess.

[cthomer5000]

Panthers by 40

[TroyF]

I just flipped on the pregame show (I know), and saw a segment about Tony Gonzalez being flown around with the Blue Angels. It made for roughly 60 seconds of very forgettable footage, airing at 3pm ET.

How does this make sense for anyone involved other than Gonzalez? CBS, Uncle Sam... both losers here, it seems. Beats me. SB Fever I guess.


QS,

Why? Just, just WHY? I'm a die hard Broncos fan and I won't be watching a second of the pregame show.

[cthomer5000]

So what are the general thoughts on the impact it would have on Manning's overall career if he goes out with a win today?

He'd be the first to do it with 2 teams, right?

[MIJB#19]

Seriously? This is the first Super Bowl between teams with a #1 overall drafted quarterback starting?

[frnk55]

Who won the Puppy Bowl?

[Julio Riddols]

I think Carolina wins it 23-18. They jump out to a 20-3 half time lead, but the Broncos spend the whole second half chipping away until Carolina scores their only points on a 50-plus yard field goal with about a minute left. The choice to kick a FG on 4th and 14 from that distance will be seen as a ballsy one, but Riverboat Ron shows faith in his kicker and is rewarded with a ring when Brock Osweiler's hail mary from the Denver 39 bounces around for a second before falling to the turf.

[kingfc22]

As a season ticket holder for the Niners, I'm curious to see if this wind impacts the game at all. Usually very little breeze if any in that stadium.

[cthomer5000]

lol @ chorus of boos for Brady.

[Suicane75]

Broncos get ahead, Carolina goes into turnover mode, game gets out of hand. 42-21 Broncos. I drink too much.

[TroyF]

So what are the general thoughts on the impact it would have on Manning's overall career if he goes out with a win today?

He'd be the first to do it with 2 teams, right?


I think Manning's biggest game for his overall legacy happened 2 weeks ago. Not only that he won, but how the game was won. Unless he has a disaster game today, he'll be on par with Brady in QB rating for playoff games. He will finish his career 3-1 against Brady in championship games.

Getting another Super Bowl would help his legacy, sure, but losing a game where the team isn't the favorites wouldn't hurt him that much either. (again, unless he puts up an epic clunker)

In terms of this game, I think the more important thing for legacies rests with the Denver defense. An epic game from them and they are going to go down as one of the best defenses of all time. If the game goes how some people think and Carolina has this over by the first quarter or Cam runs wild. . . and they just go down as a good defense that lost when it counted.

[TroyF]

lol @ chorus of boos for Brady.


Lots of Broncos fans there. Thank goodness it isn't a repeat of the last time Denver got tehre. That may as well have been a Seahawks home game.

[cartman]

Say what you will about her persona, but Lady Gaga has a great set of pipes.

[frnk55]

She did a good job but no one will ever top Whitney.

[Scoobz0202]

Say what you will about her persona, but Lady Gaga has a great set of pipes.


Yup. She crushed it.

[cthomer5000]

Say what you will about her persona, but Lady Gaga has a great set of pipes.

Puts on an incredible live show as well. Saw her on the Fame Monster tour and was really impressed. I just wish her music would have been more interesting on the last few albums. I thought she was gonna rule the world 7-8 years ago.

[cthomer5000]

1. I think that's a catch.
2. I think they'll lose the challenge.

[cuervo72]

Catch.

[Suicane75]

What, in all that is holy, was the Mountain Dew commercial?

[frnk55]

What, in all that is holy, was the Mountain Dew commercial?
F'N stupid

[kingfc22]

That was a catch. WTF?

[cthomer5000]

I think it's inconclusive via replay. It looks like the ball probably touched when he first contacted the ground.

I don't see how they could overturn it give the replays we saw.

[cartman]

Who had money on the 'Mike Carey being wrong on a review' prop bet?

[AlexB]

How in the hell was that not a catch?

[Abe Sargent]

Sigh

[kingfc22]

Horrible non-reversal leads to an immediate TD which shouldn't have been.

[cthomer5000]

Absolute dream scenario for Manning so far.

[Butter]

What, in all that is holy, was the Mountain Dew commercial?

That was your standard puppy monkey baby. You know, that old thing.

[Radii]

Cam has not been overthrowing balls like this this year, extremely worrying.

[frnk55]

What a idiot

[kingfc22]

Let the players decide the game. Weak PF there. It's the f'n Super Bowl. Let them play.

[cthomer5000]

Cam has not been overthrowing balls like this this year, extremely worrying.

He definitely seems too pumped up. Probably needs to take a few hits to calm down (hopefully not more of them leading to turnovers and defensive touchdowns).

[Suicane75]

This is the year of animals and inanimate objects talking, I presume.

[AlexB]

Got a quandary here: the game's on two channels, one has a terrible anchor, but one really good analyst (Jeff Reinebold).

The other has a good host, another really good analyst (Mike Carlson), no adverts, but a terrible commentary.

Lots of channel switching between the two!

[Suicane75]

Jesus fucking chrsit. More fucking talking objects?

[SirFozzie]

Wow. "Hey, everybody, remember that irresponsible behavior that led to the global recession? Let's do it again!"

[frnk55]

I take it u want more of them? :)

[TroyF]

Thoughts on first quarter:

1) I don't understand the damned controversy. The ball hit the ground and then moved. They kept saying his hand was under it, it wasn't. That simply was not a catch.

2) Horrible on Talib. That could/should have cost Denver. I don't even want to hear weak/poor call there. Get your emotions in check and be smart. Run off the field and be happy with another stop.

3) The Denver defense is pretty good, huh?

4) Hated seeing Stewart get hurt.

5) This is what Denver needed to do to win the game. Note, I didn't say Denver is going to win the game. In any scenario Denver was going to win the game, it was going to be by playing in front, not behind. Great quarter for the Denver defense.

[MrBug708]

Lol@#1

[chinaski]

Holy fuck Talib, what a dick.

[MrBug708]

A face mask like that should be an ejection

[Butter]

Facemask that blatant should be an ejection.

[Butter]

Jinx.

[kingfc22]

Wouldn't mind seeing Talib get t'd off on with a blind side hit later on. What a dirty play. Didn't even try to let go of the face mask.

[whomario]

Wow, how is there no rule for this sort of facemask to result in a more severe penalty ? I think i strained my neck just looking at it.

[chinaski]

A face mask like that should be an ejection

Facemask that blatant should be an ejection.

For reals!

[stevew]

Agreed that Talib should be done for the day.

[frnk55]

Agreed that Talib should be done for the day.
Yes

[Radii]

Huge score for Carolina, whew.

And yeah, holy shit Talib, that was disgusting.

[Suicane75]

I take it u want more of them? :)

Well I have always wondered what sort of accent an Oldsmobile has.

[Butter]

Is this worth your last challenge? I don't think so.

[AlexB]

Refs having a great game so far :rolleyes:

[JAG]

He is going to regret using a challenge on that even though they will win it.

[cthomer5000]

He is going to regret using a challenge on that even though they will win it.

Can someone refresh the mind of this lapsed NFL fan? Are those defined by half? They can't impact their 2nd half challenges with 1st half ones, can they?

[cuervo72]

Lol@#1

+1

[TroyF]

Talib should be gone. Cheap, dirty play and he isn't controlling his emotions in check at all. That was as dirty of a play as you will ever see.

This, on the other hand, is the dumbest challenge in the history of the game. This thing could go PERFECTLY for the Panthers. Get the sack called, score a TD off of the next possession and. . . then what? You can't challenge a fumble later in the game. You can't challenge a key deep completion. Just a horrible challenge.

[AlexB]

Lol@#1

+2

[kingfc22]

Can someone refresh the mind of this lapsed NFL fan? Are those defined by half? They can't impact their 2nd half challenges with 1st half ones, can they?

Only 2 per game. And if you win both you get a 3rd. So they are done.

[bob]

did anyone else feel like Audi was telling us that their cars are appropriate for dementia/Alzheimer’s patients?

[frnk55]

Remember when Talib tried to poke/gouge a players eye out? This dude is a piece of work.

[Galaril]

How the fuck does the NFL have a super bowl on such a shitty field condition wise. Just shows they careless about the game itself at this point.

[kingfc22]

How the fuck does the NFL have a super bowl on such a shitty field condition wise. Just shows they careless about the game itself at this point.

Field has been shit for two years now at Levi's. Nothing new here

[TroyF]

Remember when Talib tried to poke/gouge a players eye out? This dude is a piece of work.


He's like Romo to me after that play. I hope he's not on the team next season. He doesn't belong on this roster.

[Butter]

Remember when Talib tried to poke/gouge a players eye out? This dude is a piece of work.

Naw man, he just slipped.

[Suicane75]

did anyone else feel like Audi was telling us that their cars are appropriate for dementia/Alzheimer’s patients?

I have the sound down, but yes, that's exactly what I thought.

[TroyF]

I'm screaming at the TV: "catch interference, he touched him before he caught the ball" and then I'm screaming: "GO GO GO GO"

Strange play.

[Abe Sargent]

Dammnit despite this ga,e being about Broncos D and S Teams, I still suspect Manning is going to be seriously tongue-jacked if they win

[cthomer5000]

Kick it Denver. Dont be stupid.

[cthomer5000]

Only 2 per game. And if you win both you get a 3rd. So they are done.

Wow. That is mind-blowing. Why would they use it there?

[Galaril]

Refs gonna decide this one geez.

[cthomer5000]

That one's a fumble. Unreal.

[AlexB]

Refs gonna decide this one geez.

Thought they got both fumbles right, didn't see the PF tbh

[stevew]

The hulk can do, I dunno, 5 million worth of damage over a stolen can of coke?

[TroyF]

They got both fumbles right.

So far the refs have been pretty good. They got both replay challenges correct. I can't complain about any of the personal fouls. I thought Ware was clearly held on the Olsen screen on the Panthers TD drive, but it isn't a call you see everytime.

I don't believe either team has been screwed by the refs so far this game.

[bob]

I think it was a mini can so its even worse

[cthomer5000]

!

[bob]

Terrible throw by Manning

[TroyF]

Right there is Denver's single turnover I thought they could have. That's how the Panthers live. Get the turnovers. Ugh, ugh, ugh.

[cthomer5000]

Terrible throw by Manning

Real talk: he looks like trash. Reminding me of many former Jets QBs.

[TroyF]

Simms: "I haven't seen Cam under pressure like this the entire season"

Me: "Really? Really? you mean he's facing the best pass rush in the NFL for the first time and now he's facing more pressure than he ever has? DUH"

[bob]

That was a pretty sad qb comparison

[MrBug708]

Simms: "I haven't seen Cam under pressure like this the entire season"

Me: "Really? Really? you mean he's facing the best pass rush in the NFL for the first time and now he's facing more pressure than he ever has? DUH"

We've found MBBF's Denver doppelganger :)

[TroyF]

That was a horrible missed third down. Could really hurt Denver. Panthers get the ball here and to start the second half. Denver could be behind by the time they get the ball again.

Defense, it is on you. Yet again, it is on you.

[stevew]

Very odd branding here for Prius.

[Butter]

Very odd branding here for Prius.

But nice to see Frank Sobotka getting work.

[stevew]

Newton has looked awful.

[bob]

Were those all The Wire guys? One of them looked like Nick

[Suicane75]

I've eaten all my food. I am ill planned.

[Galaril]

Newton has looked awful.

Yeah thanks to the Broncos defense.

[Radii]

Denver looks vastly superior so far and its only a 6 point game, so I can't complain too much. Halftime adjustments will be interesting. Need to see a lot more of Greg Olsen in the 2nd half. Also, if Stewart's ankle is holding him back, that leaves Cam as the only serious rushing threat, which is a real problem. But it seems lke its mostly just Denver's D dominating.

[Galaril]

I bet there is some guy in America who bet the farm one of the defenses would score more than its own team's offense is smiling right now.

[Galaril]

Denver looks vastly superior so far and its only a 6 point game, so I can't complain too much. Halftime adjustments will be interesting. Need to see a lot more of Greg Olsen in the 2nd half. Also, if Stewart's ankle is holding him back, that leaves Cam as the only serious rushing threat, which is a real problem. But it seems lke its mostly just Denver's D dominating.

Great game so far and isn't over by a long shot.

[Suicane75]

Lungs has a farm, I hope it's not him.

[cthomer5000]

But nice to see Frank Sobotka getting work.

Was that also Ziggy driving? Or have I just had enough beers to want to draw a connection there?

[TroyF]

Thoughts at halftime:

1) Panthers will start running Newton more in the second half. he's caused Denver problems with that. Denver will have to be ready for it.

2) The Denver offense has been horrible, as usual. Manning screwed up what should have been a two score lead with the turnover. Constant missed on 3rd and 2 or 3. Denver will need to put together a drive if they want to win this game. I'm not convinced they can.

3) As I stated earlier, Talib should have been ejected from the game. That was as cheap of a play as you will ever see in the NFL. i knew we shouldn't have signed former Patriots. (j/k)

4) Denver has ONE horse in this game on offense. They need to start feeding CJ Anderson the ball and forget the Hillman carries. This is going to have to be like a Terrell Davis situation. Run him until he pukes, then run him some more. He's the one guy causing the Panthers fits.

5) I don't understand the Panthers on that final drive. They kind of played it like "if we score, that's good, if we don't, that's good" This looks like it will end in a close game and I don't believe it's likely the Denver defense is going to fold in the second half. You want to win, you have to score when you get in range. They played that far to casually for my taste.

6) First position of the second half is critical for both sides IMHO. if the Panthers roll down the field and get a TD while Denver goes 3 and out, the score may look close but I think we all know who will have the advantage. I hope the defense comes out firing early.

[Radii]

5) I don't understand the Panthers on that final drive. They kind of played it like "if we score, that's good, if we don't, that's good" This looks like it will end in a close game and I don't believe it's likely the Denver defense is going to fold in the second half. You want to win, you have to score when you get in range. They played that far to casually for my taste.


Letting all that time run off before 3rd down was completely baffling.

[jbergey22]

Is my soundbar off or is their lip syncing off?

[whomario]

My Ears ... Also: Why bring in a million concert musicians and a marching band and then not adjust the sound for them even a little ?

[JAG]

Denver looks vastly superior so far and its only a 6 point game, so I can't complain too much. Halftime adjustments will be interesting. Need to see a lot more of Greg Olsen in the 2nd half. Also, if Stewart's ankle is holding him back, that leaves Cam as the only serious rushing threat, which is a real problem. But it seems lke its mostly just Denver's D dominating.

As a neutral observer, I do not feel like Denver looks vastly superior. I see two great defenses and two offenses that haven't been able to match up. I can't recall a recent Super Bowl with two defenses playing at this level.

[AlexB]

Beyonce looks like she's constipated

[Suicane75]

Opiate constipated or normal constipated?

[Suicane75]

They should show Janet Jacksons titty nipple just for shits and giggles.

[kingfc22]

Halftime show was very meh...

[EagleFan]

That ends the lip sync portion of our show...

[AlexB]

Halftime show summary - Bruno Marrs was good, the rest was insipid shite.

[bob]

Opiate constipated or normal constipated?

Awesome

[Suicane75]

Alec Baldwin confluates me completely. He always comes across as self effacing, funny, just generally cool guy, but you know that deep down inside he's capable of choking a baby to death if it irritates him too much.

[JPhillips]

Opiate constipated or normal constipated?

That guy just wanders the city longingly watching people and animals defecate?

That can't be okay.

[bob]

Yes, that was Frank, Ziggy, and Nick. Weird reference that i bet many won't get.

[Julio Riddols]

Halftime show summary - Bruno Marrs was good, the rest was insipid shite.

But it was FULL OF HOPE

[stevew]

I thought that was pornstache.

[Suicane75]

That guy just wanders the city longingly watching people and animals defecate?

That can't be okay.

The weirdest part of that commercial is the women turning her head and knowingly smiling "yeah, I just took a shit, :grin: "

[CU Tiger]

That was your standard puppy monkey baby. You know, that old thing.

Puggy monkey baby.
Shudder. My daughter has been begging for a pug, it had died off for a few months but that commercial reignited it

[MIJB#19]

Is my soundbar off or is their lip syncing off?That sounds like the average Half Time show.

[JAG]

Shouldn't that be 1st and 25?

[TroyF]

1) Newton didn't get that ball to the line of scrimmage.
2) Miller was held on the play.

Two massive no calls there.

[stevew]

Cotchery has been lolBad.

[Galaxy]

Oh, we're playing football again? The halftime show put me to sleep.

[JPhillips]

Can't even blame that on the field.

[TroyF]

Cotchery has been lolBad.


He has. I'm going to call his drop and the missed kick karma for the two blown calls on a single play by the striped shirts.

[stevew]

Thank god they extended the goal posts.

[Suicane75]

But it would have been good if the posts were lower. That feels like a puzzle. It was a good kick, the only thing stopping it was the post.

[stevew]

Well it wasn't a good kick. An extra 100$ worth of tubing and labor insured that we had a satisfactory conclusion.

[TroyF]

Well, the first drives of the second half went the way I wanted them to. This Denver offense is so terrible. I just don't know how we score if we have to late in the game. I have never seen a Super Bowl team with this inept of an offense. Can't run, can't throw, can't convert third and short, can't convert on third down, can't score in the red zone, don't get a ton of big plays. . . I mean you think they could do ONE think above average.

All I hoped at the start of the game is that they wouldn't turn the ball over. Just don't screw the game up. So far they are at least doing an ok job of that, but some of that is complete luck.

Hope we can get another defensive TD this game. We might need it to win.

[bob]

CBS stream just screwed up for me. Started replaying the last Denver drive for me.

[EagleFan]

The commercials have been subpar.

[TroyF]

Point totals for this game so far:

Denver Defense: 7 points
Denver Special Teams: 3 points
Denver Offense: 6 point
Carolina Offense: 7 points

[MrBug708]

Point totals for this game so far:

Denver Defense: 7 points
Denver Special Teams: 3 points
Denver Offense: 6 point
Carolina Offense: 7 points

Refs - 7 points

[TroyF]

Refs - 7 points


I just don't get it. The refs have been good outside of a couple of mistakes. If you are referring to the challenge, that was an incomplete pass and the refs got that on e 100% dead on.

[Edward64]

The commercials have been subpar.

Agree ... so far, still have hopes that it'll get better

[jbergey22]

Cam has been an extreme disappointment thus far. I would have thought he was better prepared for this stage with his previous success.

[TroyF]

Denver defense comes to the front of the line again. Stupid fumble by Ward though. Thankfully Trevathan was playing heads up football.

OK offense, get 2 first downs and don't turn the ball over and I'll consider this a successful drive.

[MrBug708]

I just don't get it. The refs have been good outside of a couple of mistakes. If you are referring to the challenge, that was an incomplete pass and the refs got that on e 100% dead on.

100% dead on says the Denver homer...lol

[EagleFan]

I just don't get it. The refs have been good outside of a couple of mistakes. If you are referring to the challenge, that was an incomplete pass and the refs got that on e 100% dead on.

Side of the ball hit the ground, dislodged and moved as a result while he rolled. Incomplete.

The fact alone that Carey said it was a catch should be enough evidence that it wasn't; that guy is awful. :)

[cuervo72]

Was thinking earlier that the score might be on the order of Super Bowl V. Could still happen!

[Neuqua]

So while throwing out scenarios for this game yesterday, my cousin and I each put down $5 on McManus winning MVP at 200-1 odds.

Any chance at this?

[jbergey22]

So while throwing out scenarios for this game, my cousin and I each put down $5 on McManus winning MVP at 200-1 odds.

Any chance at this?

Id imagine about the only way this could happen would be both QBs suck, very little scoring and hit the game winning field goal. So far I guess that is very possible;)

[Edward64]

There seems to be alot of 15 yard penalties?

[EagleFan]

This is a strange game. Keep waiting for the flood gates to open up and Carolina to get a couple plays that setup scores and close the game out. Just looks like one of those games; with how anemic the Denver offense has been.

[Suicane75]

I wish I had candy bars

[jbergey22]

This is a strange game. Keep waiting for the flood gates to open up and Carolina to get a couple plays that setup scores and close the game out. Just looks like one of those games; with how anemic the Denver offense has been.

Agree! Denver is playing right into Carolina at this point. Scared to take any chances downfield. Its a matter of time before Cam does something.

[TroyF]

100% dead on says the Denver homer...lol



Again, I don't get it. This Denver homer said that Talib should have been kicked out of the game and didn't complain about the unsportsmanlike penalty that some non Denver fans on here did complain about.

The ball hit the ground and moved. It's a simple, simple call. As someone who hates the catch rules and doesn't understand them half the time, that was the simplest one I've seen this year. With the first angle they showed I said "catch" Then I saw the second angle and said "The call is going to stand"

[bob]

And now the stream jumped forward and i missed the entire Denver drive after the Ward INT

[TroyF]

Agree! Denver is playing right into Carolina at this point. Scared to take any chances downfield. Its a matter of time before Cam does something.


So I take it you don't watch much Denver football then, huh?

This has been our strategy for most of the year. In fact, it was the exact strategy last week against the Patriots.

This is how Denver plays.

[cuervo72]

I thought he had his hand under the ball, then when he rolled the ball was moving and almost hit the ground but never did, and then he brought it back to his body. So it shifted around a lot, but he wound up with it having never hit the turf. Which to me would seem to be a catch.

[bob]

Guess i didnt miss much

[TroyF]

I'll add that you might be dead right. They may lose the game because of it. For most of the year the defense makes a play when they need to.

[TroyF]

I thought he had his hand under the ball, then when he rolled the ball was moving and almost hit the ground but never did, and then he brought it back to his body. So it shifted around a lot, but he wound up with it having never hit the turf. Which to me would seem to be a catch.


I disagree, I think that ball clearly hit the ground and moved. I don't think he had his hand fully under it at all.

[Edward64]

Denver's defense is pretty darn good.

[jbergey22]

So I take it you don't watch much Denver football then, huh?

This has been our strategy for most of the year. In fact, it was the exact strategy last week against the Patriots.

This is how Denver plays.

Im watching Cam play like garbage. Worse Ive seen him play in 2 years. Eventually he is going to settle in.

You act like Denver is so fucking good tonight after acting like they would lose to New England and had little chance of winning this game.

Make up your mind. Are they the 70s Steelers or are they a team that cant get out of their own conference?

Denver has a great defense but I am also seeing Cam miss a lot of open WRs. Law of averages say the league MVP will eventually start making some of these plays.

[cuervo72]

Eventually? He'd better hurry up, it's the 4th Q.

[Edward64]

Superbowl Babies commercial made me chuckle. I think best one yet.

[AlexB]

The ball never hit the ground though. I get that if you go out of bounds you have to maintain control when you hit the ground, but if the rule is that while being in the centre of the field the ball can't move at all even if control is recovered without the ball hitting the ground, then the rules are more f'd up than I thought.

[MrBug708]

I thought he had his hand under the ball, then when he rolled the ball was moving and almost hit the ground but never did, and then he brought it back to his body. So it shifted around a lot, but he wound up with it having never hit the turf. Which to me would seem to be a catch.

Yup. Was never a doubt of a catch. Shame and feel bad for the panthers but as a PAC 12 fan, I'm used to inferior refereeing

[Neuqua]

Superbowl Babies commercial made me chuckle. I think best one yet.

The wife and I both agree.

[JAG]

Im watching Cam play like garbage. Worse Ive seen him play in 2 years. Eventually he is going to settle in.

You act like Denver is so fucking good tonight after acting like they would lose to New England and had little chance of winning this game.

Make up your mind. Are they the 70s Steelers or are they a team that cant get out of their own conference?

Denver has a great defense but I am also seeing Cam miss a lot of open WRs. Law of averages say the league MVP will eventually start making some of these plays.

Cam's line is also being overrun nearly every play. A lot of QB's aren't going to be at their best under those circumstances.

[Edward64]

Another 15 yard penalty.

[bob]

It has to hurt like hell to get your arm hit like that when trying to throw.

[TroyF]

Im watching Cam play like garbage. Worse Ive seen him play in 2 years. Eventually he is going to settle in.

You act like Denver is so fucking good tonight after acting like they would lose to New England and had little chance of winning this game.

Make up your mind. Are they the 70s Steelers or are they a team that cant get out of their own conference?

Denver has a great defense but I am also seeing Cam miss a lot of open WRs. Law of averages say the league MVP will eventually start making some of these plays.

I've been CONSISTENT all year with this team. I'll repeat as you seem to miss it:

The Denver defense is the 70's Steelers. I's dominant. it is historically good.

The Denver offense is horrible. It turns the ball over like water and struggles to do anything game in, game out. Due to this fact, the defense gets put on the field a lot and ends up playing a lot of plays. They end up being put into horrible short field positions repeatedly. (as you see right now)

Because of this, I've thought Denver would have a tough time beating both NE and Carolina. When the offense needs to get a drive, they don't. Yet the defense just keeps stepping up and up and up.

[Edward64]

It has to hurt like hell to get your arm hit like that when trying to throw.

Yup. Rooting for one more good Peyton TD drive.

[Suicane75]

Peyton is like the physically impaired or old fella trying to finish a marathon. He's got 10 minutes left in his career and I hope he makes it out on top.

[MrBug708]

I need another FG from Carolina and a TD from Denver to win some money

[CrimsonFox]

Peyton stop embrassing yourself :(

[TroyF]

One other note: EVERY QB Denver has faced this year says the same things. "I missed some open receivers" "we had a few drops" "We left a lot of plays of the field"

I don't know about you, but I think maybe that might be a result of the devastating pass rush Denver gives every play. Denver takes away your margins. You want to score, you have to put the ball in a perfect place. You have to make a lot of tough catches. You have to avoid getting sacked to put your team in a hole.


By the way, for all the people who think I'm a Denver homer: The refs just missed a key PI call. That was a very easy call to make and one that should have been made.

[EagleFan]

Looks like a ball hitting the ground there, that is just before he rolls and the ball comes loose right from that impact. Yes he doesn't let it touch the ground after that but that point becomes moot right after this impact.

[MrBug708]

That shot shows him with possession. Yay single shots!

[Radii]

I don't know about you, but I think maybe that might be a result of the devastating pass rush Denver gives every play. Denver takes away your margins. You want to score, you have to put the ball in a perfect place. You have to make a lot of tough catches. You have to avoid getting sacked to put your team in a hole.

Carolina made a few unforced errors in the first quarter, Cam had time and overthrew a couple guys badly most notably. Since then Denver's D gets most of the credit, but I do think Carolina put themselves in a bit of hole early all by themselves.

[kingfc22]

10 minutes left and this game is still lacking an MVP.

[MrBug708]

The replay ref

[MrBug708]

Or the grounds crew for making a terrible surface

[CrimsonFox]

The xray machine!

[TroyF]

That shot shows him with possession. Yay single shots!


Seriously? His hand was NOT under the ball, it was on the side and the picture clearly shows that. Afterward, the ball moved all over his stomach. It was an EASY call. I just don't get the anger.

[Dr. Sak]

That shot shows him with possession. Yay single shots!

When the receiver is going to the ground the ball is allowed to touch the ground, however, if the ball moves (which it did in this case) it is deemed that possession was not maintained throughout the catch and the pass is incomplete.

Had the receiver not lost grasp after the ball touched the ground, it would have been the a catch, but it was sliding down his leg till he firmly grabbed it.

So in this case the single shot showing the ball hitting the ground, does mean something because we know after he loses grasp of the ball.

[stevew]

Manning is hot garbage. He shouldn't be playing

[cuervo72]

10 minutes left and this game is still lacking an MVP.

Miller.

[Easy Mac]

If Carolina were winning, Ealy would be the easy MVP choice.

[Suicane75]

It's not a stretch to say that both teams would probably rather have their defense on the field at this point.

[SnowMan]

Homers gonna homer

[Edward64]

Miller.

If Denver wins, they'll give it to Peyton for game management?

[TroyF]

Carolina made a few unforced errors in the first quarter, Cam had time and overthrew a couple guys badly most notably. Since then Denver's D gets most of the credit, but I do think Carolina put themselves in a bit of hole early all by themselves.


You are correct there, he made the poor throw to a wide open WR when he hadn't faced the pressure yet. Carolina did make things difficult on themselves early.

[stevew]

C'mon riverboat. Not the time to be punting.

[Radii]

If Carolina were winning, Ealy would be the easy MVP choice.

If Carolina wins without some sort of spectcular play by someone, Ealy should probably get it.

[EagleFan]

Miller may be a choice. Would really be a hard game to pick and MVP for at this point; barring a major play in the last few minutes of this one.

[bob]

Denver's outside DE is almost offline on just about every play

[Radii]

Miller may be a choice. Would really be a hard game to pick and MVP for at this point; barring a major play in the last few minutes of this one.

Yeah I'd agree w/ that as well.

[EagleFan]

This seriously needs to be Peyton's last game. He looks like he has hit that wall and that wall has kicked his ass.

[frnk55]

Can Denver even get a first down?

[AlexB]

Missed FG makes a huge difference now, even more so if Denver don't score on this drive

[MrBug708]

Lynch just announced retirement via tweet

[cthomer5000]

Panthers just look like they can't do anything. And Devner looks like they know that, so lets handoff 70 times in a row.

[EagleFan]

That play right there was sad to see. 3rd and 9 and Peyton handing the ball off.

[Travis]

So Troy, you enjoy this style D a lot more when it's your team playing it? I seem to recall some very different descriptors when you talked about Seattle playing a very similar style ;)

That said, wow has this turned into Ealy vs Von. Loving watching these D's play. I was very curious how Cam would perform on this stage/against this level of D and had he been more accurate early on, I'd imagine there'd be a much different game going on at this point. Also quite curious why Carolina hasn't tried to move to a quicker passing game, seems like they're either being too stubborn or don't think they can execute that style.

[Edward64]

This seriously needs to be Peyton's last game. He looks like he has hit that wall and that wall has kicked his ass.

To be fair, he is still better than 50% of the starting quarterbacks in the league. But yeah, he's looking old.

[MrBug708]

Surprised they trust tolbert

[frnk55]

This seriously needs to be Peyton's last game. He looks like he has hit that wall and that wall has kicked his ass.
If he comes back next year he will embarrass himself.

[Edward64]

Cam should just scramble and run more right now. Nothing else seems to be working.

[Travis]

And figures that Lynch retires without having to say a word. Quite sad to know that we won't see another Beastmode run for the ages.

[stevew]

This seriously needs to be Peyton's last game. He looks like he has hit that wall and that wall has kicked his ass.

He looks like he can no longer hit the broad side of said wall.

[Edward64]

Denver defense is incredible!

[MrBug708]

Von miller MVP

[stevew]

Game over

[cthomer5000]

that looked like a forward pass

[EagleFan]

I think that play may have given Miller the MVP.

[kingfc22]

Miller.

With 4 minutes left. It is clear.

[JAG]

That play right there was sad to see. 3rd and 9 and Peyton handing the ball off.

I thought the same thing, and yet it was proven right. Pretty crazy to see three straight runs with 6:30 left in a 1 possession game.

[CrimsonFox]

It has to hurt like hell to get your arm hit like that when trying to throw.

Cam now knows! :)