The 2015 NFL Draft

[Thomkal]

Have to say I'm disappointed with the pick from my beloved Cards. It would have been better to trade down than pick an OT with durability questions and maybe not a starting position to start with. I think this pick says a lot about former 1st rounder Jonathan Cooper-in that he's more and more likely a bust :(

[Bobble]

Would have liked to see CB-Jones on the Lions.

[Julio Riddols]

I'm good with Ogbuehi for the Bengals. Was expecting OT, and the history of selections in recent years bodes well.

[stevew]

Lions got Manny Ramirez and 2 5ths for moving down.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Was that Izulde at the draft?

:D

[Julio Riddols]

Wow, Colts are absolutely stacked at WR.

[Thomkal]

Has their been so much backup in the first round before? New England's pick will probably be in 10+ minutes after they sent it

[NobodyHere]

Wow, Colts are absolutely stacked at WR.

Shocked myself.

We already have Donte Montcrief and Duron Carter as our young talent (not to mention TY Hilton).

This reminds me of a time when the Colts took another young receiver out of Miami when nobody thought the Colts needed a receiver...

[Thomkal]

According to Coach Arians, Humphries was 13th on their board...so I guess we got a steal?

[Galaril]

Good trade for Broncos we have a bunch of comp draft picks to make up for the 5ths and Ramirez was a bad fit for the new zone blocking system as he is too straight in line blocker. It was well known he was likely getting cut before training camp. He had a 3.5 million cap hit so by U.S. trading him saved 3.5 million in cap space.

[Fonzie]

I did not see that Packers pick coming. At all.

[BishopMVP]

Pats get their choice of Malcom Brown and Eddie Goldman? I hope they actually pick one and don't trade down (or take the "versatile" Utah DB).

[stevew]

Vince who.

[BishopMVP]

Vince who.Yeah, still love Vince but seems like a great exchange. Draft grades this week aren't worth the paper they're printed on, but it sure doesn't look like it could've worked out any better for us.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Tweet has since been deleted but

http://s1.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Rams-Draft-Todd-Gurley-Zac-Stacy-Responds.jpg

[stevew]

That's a measured response, considering the Rams basically had the WTF pick of the first round and even if Gurley is a stud it really is a bad pick value wise.

[Eaglesfan27]

I am a few hours behind on the draft (due to being on call tonight.) So happy that Nelson Agholor went to the Eagles! :)

[stevew]

So self aware

[Chief Rum]

So self aware

Lol... is that really his dinner tonight? Priceless.

If I wasn't already convinced he has no self-awareness, I would suspect he was trolling us.

[Izulde]

Did the Dolphins really need another WR? Had a chance at a decent RB and fucked it up.

IMO they needed another WR yeah. I love Melvin Gordon, but spending a first round pick on a RB is stupid unless he's like a surefire superstar or something. I was scared they were going to draft Gurley before the Rams went stupid.

And by that point, it felt like all the OL worthy of the selection were gone, so I was stoked we got Parker.

[miami_fan]

Of course Shane Ray went to the Broncos. Of course he did.

[Easy Mac]

Shaq Thompson

Well, Charlotte's only like 4 hours from Atlanta, so he could moonlight for the Braves in center. He'd likely be no worse than their current CF.

Edit: this is Shaq Thompson's minor league batting line:
Year Age AgeDif Tm Lg Lev Aff G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB
2012 18 -1.7 Red Sox GULF Rk BOS 13 47 39 3 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 8 37 .000 .170 .000 .170 0 0 0 0 0 0

[albionmoonlight]

I think that Peat will be a good player. And the Saints were getting old along the O-line. So it was not a bad pick.

But, man, offense was not the team's problem last year. Really wanted a pick on D there.

That said, getting Anthony from Clemson was awesome. Seems like a really good player at a position of need.

[albionmoonlight]

dola

And I was really hoping for Danny Shelton. Seems like a great player and a great guy. Got taken one pick before the Saints.

[The Jackal]

At the time of the pick I was certainly expecting Leonard Williams but I like Scherff and have no problem with re-building the O-line. I get that people see him as a G long term and it's generally viewed as not smart to pick a G that high, but I'm all about beefing up the trenches. Plus seems like they're going to start him at RT and see what he can do.

[ColtCrazy]

Shocked myself.

We already have Donte Montcrief and Duron Carter as our young talent (not to mention TY Hilton).

This reminds me of a time when the Colts took another young receiver out of Miami when nobody thought the Colts needed a receiver...

So we now have these for Luck to pass to:

Fleenor
Allen
Johnson
Hilton
Moncrief
Carter

and he gets to hand off to Gore.

So we'll score 40 a game which is good since the defense will probably give up 35.

[Thomkal]

Shane Ray starts his Broncos career in the NFL's drug program:

2015 NFL draft -- Denver Broncos draft Shane Ray at No. 23 despite drug-program status (http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2015/story/_/id/12796832/2015-nfl-draft-denver-broncos-draft-shane-ray-no-23-drug-program-status)

Thanks Denver for taking him before my beloved Cards could have a shot at him with the next pick. :)

[QuikSand]

I don't claim to have deep insight, but I was shocked that Williams fell to the Washington pick at 5, and then was even more shocked when they passed on him. There's a local undercurrent that they are not sold on him really fitting into a 3-4 scheme, but I don't follow that logic. Lots of obvious second-guessing here, especially since the people in the same building (not necessarily the same people) have a pretty poor track record in recent memory.

Seriously, though, if you want the T/G, can't you trade back a couple of slots (still staying ahead of the Giants) and let someone else deal up for Williams? Can't you spin at least a 3rd round pick out of that?

[The Jackal]

I don't claim to have deep insight, but I was shocked that Williams fell to the Washington pick at 5, and then was even more shocked when they passed on him. There's a local undercurrent that they are not sold on him really fitting into a 3-4 scheme, but I don't follow that logic. Lots of obvious second-guessing here, especially since the people in the same building (not necessarily the same people) have a pretty poor track record in recent memory.

Seriously, though, if you want the T/G, can't you trade back a couple of slots (still staying ahead of the Giants) and let someone else deal up for Williams? Can't you spin at least a 3rd round pick out of that?

We can speculate all we want, but chances are that they didn't get an offer they liked. And maybe if they did get offers, they weren't from teams ahead of the Giants. And who knows if the Skins were one of the teams that were worried about LW's shoulders. Don't get me wrong, I was shocked too, but I'm digging Scherff and beefing the O-Line. Wouldn't be surprised at all if we picked another lineman in round 2, either where we are or after a trade back.

[muns]

Lol... is that really his dinner tonight? Priceless.

If I wasn't already convinced he has no self-awareness, I would suspect he was trolling us.

That is freaking awesome!!! Good for him on that one.

[SteveMax58]

Not sexy but a need.
Yep, it will do. It would have been interesting if Scherff was available whether they'd still take him or go Flowers. The conventional wisdom is Scherff there but I wonder if they see Flowers moving into the LT spot next year instead of Beatty, given his salary and being just "serviceable". Doesn't seem Pugh is strong enough at RT so maybe they move him over to LT and Flowers takes RT (and Beatty goes away).

Either way, was hoping Shaq Thompson would be around for our 2nd pick. Collins might be there, so maybe we can get some help at S.

[Grover]

Am I the only one who found the crab legs picture to be immature and in very poor taste?

[Lathum]

Either way, was hoping Shaq Thompson would be around for our 2nd pick. Collins might be there, so maybe we can get some help at S.

I really was. In addition filing a need for us, I am a Husky alum, so I would have been in my glory.

I think he is a great pick for the Panthers. He can give a spark on offense if they want to use him like that and can also return kicks. And he is a great kid.

[BishopMVP]

Am I the only one who found the crab legs picture to be immature and in very poor taste?Immature? Yes. In very poor taste? No. (Although I'm sure Skip Bayless and talk radio agree with you.)

[Eaglesfan27]

Am I the only one who found the crab legs picture to be immature and in very poor taste?

Nope. I think it is a sign of his immaturity. I think he is going to flame out quickly.

[bhlloy]

Am I the only one who found the crab legs picture to be immature and in very poor taste?

If you believe Shaun King they were being auctioned for charity by the guy from deadliest catch and he asked Winston to help sell them shortly before the picture was taken. Bizarre but pretty easy to prove false if that wasn't the case.

[albionmoonlight]

If he turns out to be good at professional football, then the pic shows his confidence and moxie and ability to joke with the media.

If he turns out to be bad at professional football, then the pic shows his immaturity and me-first attitude.

[Grover]

If you believe Shaun King they were being auctioned for charity by the guy from deadliest catch and he asked Winston to help sell them shortly before the picture was taken. Bizarre but pretty easy to prove false if that wasn't the case.

Interesting. If this is the case, why was the picture deleted from Instagram?

[QuikSand]

If Washington manages to get Landon Collins with their early 2nd rounder, that seems like awfully good value for them at a serious need position.

[Ajaxab]

He could have at least gone with King Crab legs for effect.

[bhlloy]

Interesting. If this is the case, why was the picture deleted from Instagram?

Probably because 98% of the Internet started to flame him immediately and it was better to just delete it? It was at the Mike Alstott charity auction after the draft. Again, if untrue very easy to disprove. I'm reserving judgement.

[The Jackal]

If Washington manages to get Landon Collins with their early 2nd rounder, that seems like awfully good value for them at a serious need position.

Or Gregory.. I'd be fine with that too, as long as the organization is convinced about his character. We really, really need a FS that can cover, and Collins will never be that .. but a hybrid S/LB with first round talent would be fine with me.

I expect we may go OL, though.

[NobodyHere]

I thought the picture was funny.

[Vince, Pt. II]

Am I a terrible person for not hating the 49ers' new alternate jerseys (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/49ers-unveil-new-alternate-jerseys-on-draft-night-041118976.html)?

[The Jackal]

Am I a terrible person for not hating the 49ers' new alternate jerseys (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/49ers-unveil-new-alternate-jerseys-on-draft-night-041118976.html)?

I like it, but I'm not a niners fan, so I don't know.

[Vince, Pt. II]

Probably because 98% of the Internet started to flame him immediately and it was better to just delete it? It was at the Mike Alstott charity auction after the draft. Again, if untrue very easy to disprove. I'm reserving judgement.

According to Shaun King (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/what-was-the-backstory-behind-jameis-winston-s-crab-legs-photo-151722171.html) he helped one of the guys from Deadliest Catch sell something at a charity auction, so the guy sent him a bunch of crab.

Stupid? Yes. Funny? Also yes.

[The Jackal]

That's a measured response, considering the Rams basically had the WTF pick of the first round and even if Gurley is a stud it really is a bad pick value wise.

If Gurley is AP or near AP talent level, you think it's a bad pick?

[NobodyHere]

Am I a terrible person for not hating the 49ers' new alternate jerseys (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/49ers-unveil-new-alternate-jerseys-on-draft-night-041118976.html)?

Yes

[Grover]

Am I a terrible person for not hating the 49ers' new alternate jerseys (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/49ers-unveil-new-alternate-jerseys-on-draft-night-041118976.html)?

I hate it. I hate solid color uniforms. The pants and shirts should off-set. I do like all-white aways, but I think home, or even alternates should have a dark top with either a white pant or another team color pant... depends on the color scheme really.

Dallas' blue and silver is super sharp, so is the Niners' red and gold.

[JonInMiddleGA]

So the sorority chapter my wife is an advisor for is famous ... or something.

Total Frat Move | That Hot Blonde On Todd Gurley’s Arm At The NFL Draft Is His UGA Delta Zeta Girlfriend (http://totalfratmove.com/that-hot-blonde-on-todd-gurleys-arm-at-the-nfl-draft-is-his-uga-delta-zeta-girlfriend/)

edit to add: Before anyone asks/gets confused .... my wife is a UT alum but the local chapter is kinda lean on DZ alums "of a certain age" so she's involved here since we're, well, here.

[NobodyHere]

I'd like to Delta her Zeta if you know what I mean.

[Julio Riddols]

Am I a terrible person for not hating the 49ers' new alternate jerseys (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/49ers-unveil-new-alternate-jerseys-on-draft-night-041118976.html)?

I would like them if the numbers had a gold outline.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I'd like to Delta her Zeta if you know what I mean.


I believe that's a fairly popular sentiment :D

fwiw, my wife made the observation that she's not just a girl who photographs well, that she really is that attractive all the time (even when she's not trying to be).

[SteveMax58]

Am I the only one who found the crab legs picture to be immature and in very poor taste?

No but Jameis is wearing the worst part of that picture.

My goodness those uniforms are horrible.

[stevew]

Giants up to 2(1)

[stevew]

If La'el Collins is innocent of wrongdoing. He's getting the major shaft in this process.

[Grover]

If La'el Collins is innocent of wrongdoing. He's getting the major shaft in this process.

Everything I've read says he isn't a suspect in the case. So the whole thing is very strange to me.

[SteveMax58]

Giants up to 2(1)

I think they needed that to get Collins.

[Grover]

Raiders taking Edwards Jr is a good fit.

[stevew]

Green Beckham to TN.

[bhlloy]

How do you take Green-Beckham before Gregory? I hope the Chargers get him. Great talent at this point

[RainMaker]

Not sure I understand that pick at all.

[bhlloy]

Also did the Titans learn absolutely zero from Kenny Britt?

[bulletsponge]

Also did the Titans learn absolutely zero from Kenny Britt?

they didnt learn anything from Pac-man, so why start now?

[MrBug708]

Kendricks to Minnesota!

[Bobble]

Icky was awesome! WOOOOOOOO!!!

[JPhillips]

So two tackles that won't play next year?

Who-dey...

[claphamsa]

So two tackles that won't play next year?

Who-dey...

Yeah...odd

[Edward64]

I like the Green-Beckham gamble in round 2. I hope he makes the best of it and gets his life straight.

[NobodyHere]

So we now have these for Luck to pass to:

Fleenor
Allen
Johnson
Hilton
Moncrief
Carter

and he gets to hand off to Gore.

So we'll score 40 a game which is good since the defense will probably give up 35.

The Colts have released Josh Cribbs and I guess Dorsett is expected to be the main return person.

[Julio Riddols]

Yeah...odd

Bengals are going with a 7 OL line next year. 7 OL, A.J. Green out wide, Tyler Eifert in the slot, and Jeremy Hill at RB. Then they're gonna run for 6 yards a carry and throw it 10-15 times a game like Ga. Tech does. Dalton will average 14 yards per attempt and complete 130/240 passes for 3360 yards and 27 TDs while Hill and Gio both eclipse 1200 yards and 10 TD rushing.

Fucking genius innovation coming to the league this year. Nobody is ready for the Steamroller offense.

[miami_fan]

La'el Collins plans to enter '16 draft if not picked Friday - NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000489897/article/lael-collins-plans-to-enter-16-draft-if-not-picked-friday)

LSU offensive lineman La'el Collins has a plan in place if he's not drafted by a team on Friday.

NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported that Collins and his camp have determined that if he's not selected in the second or third round, he will refuse to sign a contract with an NFL club and resubmit his name for the 2016 NFL Draft.

[stevew]

Gregory to the Cowboys is such a Cowboys move.

[stevew]

I feel like Collins should have been given a spot in the supplemental draft assuming there was no wrongdoing on his part.

[BillJasper]

Gregory to the Cowboys is such a Cowboys move.

Didn't they take someone that had some issues a few years ago? Demetrious Underwood?

[MizzouCowboy]

Didn't they take someone that had some issues a few years ago? Demetrious Underwood?

Was drafted by the Vikings, Cowboys gave him a shot but the kid had mental issues.

[BillJasper]

Was drafted by the Vikings, Cowboys gave him a shot but the kid had mental issues.

Thanks. Couldn't remember the exact details.

[BishopMVP]

After surprisingly just taking the BPA at a clear position of need last night, Belichick reverts to form with 2 reaches and a trade tonight. Obviously we'll put up with his weaknesses, but I don't think any of these 2nd/3rd round reaches have worked out in our favor recently (while every 1st round one like McCourty or Mankins has). Would've much rather we went with AJ Cann 2nd round and waited to pick Duron Harmon Part II in the 3rd.

[Julio Riddols]

Paul Dawson, hell yes. Now give me Ekpre Olomu in round 4.

[stevew]

bitching about your nfl team going linebacker 3 straight years in the first is funny when you look at your most recent FOF career and realize you just did it as well.

[stevew]

Giants are having a really nice draft on paper and have 3 guys that can probably contribute for a long time.

[SteveMax58]

Giants are having a really nice draft on paper and have 3 guys that can probably contribute for a long time.

Yeah pretty happy with things so far. Flowers & Collins are instantly starting for us and the last guy Odighizuwa is real similar to Osi when he came out (not just because nobody can pronounce their names). Excellent athlete with non-stop motor that needs work on his technique and could be a much better Pro than college player.

[albionmoonlight]

After surprisingly just taking the BPA at a clear position of need last night, Belichick reverts to form with 2 reaches and a trade tonight. Obviously we'll put up with his weaknesses, but I don't think any of these 2nd/3rd round reaches have worked out in our favor recently (while every 1st round one like McCourty or Mankins has).

Pats don't seem to worry as much about drafting players at value spots. They collect picks, get the guys they want--regardless of whether it is seen as a reach--and have a top-notch culture.

They end up with a lot of flameouts, but they always have enough picks that things work out for them in the end.

And, clearly, the results speak for themselves.

[Grover]

I am VERY excited about the Paul Dawson pick for the Bengals.

[Thomkal]

My beloved Cards picks seem to be good overall just not flashy. They went to needs in the 2nd and 3rd rounds-LB/DE and a RB that should be a good fit with Ellington. Expecting a CB/S, WR or 2, DL, and for gods sake a QB not named Ryan Lindley, especially if they are not thrilled with LOgan Thomas's development

[MrBug708]

Gotta feel for Brett Hundley, but the reality is is that he can't throw consistently further than 15 yards

[Grover]

Petty to the Jets is good. They're having a solid draft.

[Grover]

Welcome to Cincy Drowning Nephew Kid!

[claphamsa]

People have some fucked up ways of spelling kids names....we have Mycole and Mykkele. I assume they are both pronounced Micheal.....wtf people

[MrBug708]

Hundley to the Packers. Probably gives him a chance to be developed, though I doubt he turns into an NFL QB

[Grover]

Is there any correlation to all these kids named Shaq being drafted in 2015 when Shaquille O'Neal was prominent at LSU and in Orlando 20-25 years ago?

[claphamsa]

has to be. hit the NBA in 92...so that was 23 years ago

[Atocep]

Shaq Riddick could be a nice pick for the Cards. WVU's scheme didn't give him a great opportunity to rush the passer, but that's his strength. Ridiculous athlete with great length (6'6" 245 ran a 4.65 at WVU pro day).

[stevew]

Is there any correlation to all these kids named Shaq being drafted in 2015 when Shaquille O'Neal was prominent at LSU and in Orlando 20-25 years ago?

Yeah, someone linked to something when I had a similar thought a few weeks ago. Lots of shaqs for about 2 more years, and then a fuckload of kobes and probably a ton of leBron afrer that.

[miami_fan]

Attention Hurricane Football,

You are not doing Al Golden any favors but constantly reminding your fans of each Hurricane player that drafted from last year's 6-7 team.

Thanks

[Thomkal]

Shaq Riddick could be a nice pick for the Cards. WVU's scheme didn't give him a great opportunity to rush the passer, but that's his strength. Ridiculous athlete with great length (6'6" 245 ran a 4.65 at WVU pro day).

Glad to hear that :) My beloved Cards need a pass rusher pretty bad, drafted 3 guys so far that can do that...but I have my doubts that this one, who they traded up (with 3 picks) to get him in the 4th round.

2015 NFL Draft results: Arizona Cardinals trade up to 116, take Delaware State DE Rodney Gunter - Revenge of the Birds (http://www.revengeofthebirds.com/2015/5/2/8535971/2015-nfl-draft-results-arizona-cardinals-trade-up-to-116-take)

So they traded up to get a small school guy who thinks he has the potential to be another J.J. Watt type-versatile. Wasn't invited to Draft Combine. But he has the character, leadership, and mental toughness that GM Steve Keim just loves. John Brown from last year's draft was also criticized, but shined big time early in his first season with the Cards, so maybe lightning strikes twice?

'I potentially could be the next JJ Watt;' Rodney Gunter takes tougher road to NFL - Revenge of the Birds (http://www.revengeofthebirds.com/2015/5/2/8536357/i-potentially-could-be-the-next-jj-watt-rodney-gunter-takes-tougher)

[Thomkal]

Sad Story for Falcons draft pick DT Grady Jarrett-he had friends and family over to his house-hoping he would be drafted Friday night-he wasn't , but that's not the sad part-as they were watching the draft...his house partly burned down. :( No one hurt thankfully, but Jarrett lost all his clothes and most of his possessions. :( The Falcons did not know about the fire when they drafted him, but when owner Arthur Blank did find out-he offered to buy Jarrett all the clothes he would need to get back to a normal life. Very classy Mr. Blank.

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/atlanta-falcons-grady-jarrett-house-fire-nfl-draft-050215

[Julio Riddols]

Sad Story for Falcons draft pick DT Grady Jarrett-he had friends and family over to his house-hoping he would be drafted Friday night-he wasn't , but that's not the sad part-as they were watching the draft...his house partly burned down. :( No one hurt thankfully, but Jarrett lost all his clothes and most of his possessions. :( The Falcons did not know about the fire when they drafted him, but when owner Arthur Blank did find out-he offered to buy Jarrett all the clothes he would need to get back to a normal life. Very classy Mr. Blank.

Falcons DT Jarrett's house catches ablaze as he watches NFL Draft | FOX Sports (http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/atlanta-falcons-grady-jarrett-house-fire-nfl-draft-050215)

So... he is writing Jarrett a Blank check?

[Thomkal]

So... he is writing Jarrett a Blank check?

Har Har. :p

[stevew]

Isn't that cap circumvention?

also glad the Falcons didn't lose a second draft pick this year.

[Izulde]

Jay Ajayi could end up one of the biggest steals of the draft IMO. And if he doesn't pan out, Miami only spent a 5th rounder on him.

[CU Tiger]

Don't forget Big G is the son of Jesse Tuggle and nephew of Ray Lewis. Something tells me need get his clothes replaced either way.

What hurts is that was his "trophy" room. He lost 3 game balls, several team awards and any memorabilia he had, that's what he will miss.

[CU Tiger]

Worth a read given the circumstances
Letter to the Editor from Grady Jarrett | The Tiger News (http://thetigernews.com/letter-to-the-editor-from-grady-jarrett/)

[sabotai]

Yeah pretty happy with things so far. Flowers & Collins are instantly starting for us and the last guy Odighizuwa is real similar to Osi when he came out (not just because nobody can pronounce their names). Excellent athlete with non-stop motor that needs work on his technique and could be a much better Pro than college player.

Agreed with this. They got 3 really good prospects at 3 positions that they needed. Can't really ask for more than that. Hopefully they pan out. If so, the Giants should be much better this year.

[Chief Rum]

Gotta feel for Brett Hundley, but the reality is is that he can't throw consistently further than 15 yards

Disagree. Arm strength isn't the issue. He can make all the throws. It's the speed of decision making he needs to work on.

[Izulde]

Worth a read given the circumstances
Letter to the Editor from Grady Jarrett | The Tiger News (http://thetigernews.com/letter-to-the-editor-from-grady-jarrett/)

Oh, you mean how he either plagiarized or was plagiarized by a Michigan State player?

http://i.imgur.com/ucbli6f.png

[CU Tiger]

Interesting!
Question what is the prgram/site that is doing the check there?

[CU Tiger]

n/m just went back and looked at the comments from the site I linked.

[Izulde]

Interesting!
Question what is the prgram/site that is doing the check there?

Yeah, TurnItIn is what a lot of campuses use to check for plagiarism for those instructors who use online submissions. I've caught a couple students over the years because of it.

[Dutch]

Football Students...

[stevew]

Zach Stacy for a 7th round pick seems like a reasonable gamble for the Jets

[BillJasper]

Zach Stacy for a 7th round pick seems like a reasonable gamble for the Jets

I think that's a great deal for the Jets. I still don't understand the Rams thinking in taking a RB with an ACL injury 10th?

[claphamsa]

so the jets fired a large portion of their scouting staff today... kinda odd

[albionmoonlight]

If you are St. Louis, what reason do you have to make that trade now? Why not wait for training camps to start and guys to start going down? Was his value going to end up going below a 7th round pick between now and August?

Seems like they could have held on to him and traded him to a more desperate team for, like a 5th rounder.

Or maybe I'm over-rating Zac Stacy.

[BillJasper]

so the jets fired a large portion of their scouting staff today... kinda odd

Probably too hard to start from scratch at the beginning of February.

[BillJasper]

If you are St. Louis, what reason do you have to make that trade now? Why not wait for training camps to start and guys to start going down? Was his value going to end up going below a 7th round pick between now and August?

Seems like they could have held on to him and traded him to a more desperate team for, like a 5th rounder.

Or maybe I'm over-rating Zac Stacy.

Does seem odd to ditch Stacy before you know whether or not Gurley is going to be ready for training camp.

[stevew]

so the jets fired a large portion of their scouting staff today... kinda odd

Wouldn't want them to go rogue I guess.

[Logan]

so the jets fired a large portion of their scouting staff today... kinda odd

Don't worry. The head guy fired, Brendan Prophett, saw it coming.

[Chief Rum]

Don't worry. The head guy fired, Brendan Prophett, saw it coming.

:rimshot

[HomerSimpson98]

Jacksonville getting FSU WR Rashad Greene in the 5th round was a steal, IMO

[Honolulu_Blue]

The Lions drafting a fullback in the 5th round was not a steal, IMO

[MizzouRah]

If you are St. Louis, what reason do you have to make that trade now? Why not wait for training camps to start and guys to start going down? Was his value going to end up going below a 7th round pick between now and August?

Seems like they could have held on to him and traded him to a more desperate team for, like a 5th rounder.

Or maybe I'm over-rating Zac Stacy.

With Tre Mason and Cunningham I guess they didn't feel like hearing him moan during training camp.

[miked]

The Lions drafting a fullback in the 5th round was not a steal, IMO

He's from Rutgers, it was definitely a steal.

[Honolulu_Blue]

He's from Rutgers, it was definitely a steal.

I am holding you to this, miked.

[Dutch]

With Tre Mason and Cunningham I guess they didn't feel like hearing him moan during training camp.

I figured they were going to up the carry load for Mason...he seems like a pretty good NFL caliber RB.

[NobodyHere]

La'el Collins meeting with Bills coach Rex Ryan - NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000491057/article/lael-collins-meeting-with-bills-coach-rex-ryan)

Rex Ryan works pretty fast.

I wouldn't mind the Colts trying to grab Collins to shore up the right tackle position.

[stevew]

It just seems like typical cop behavior to tell a dude that he's not a suspect even though he's probably the most likely suspect given circumstances.

Anyways even if innocent, which seems probable, the whole situation is poor and another Roger debacle. Kid was slated to get something like a 4-8M signing bonus for going in the first. Now he gets league minimum for 2 years plus (maybe) his unborn kid was murdered AND competitive balance wise someone is getting a free first round pick for nothing. I'd imagine he's also in the hole several hundred grand to his agent based on probable line of pre-draft credit. If he tears a knee his future is screwed.

Plus there's gotta be an implicit promise that he'll be fairly compensated in 2 years which I'd assume violates the cap.

All Roger has done is make up rules on the fly, it should continue

[Dutch]

I find it difficult to blame Roger in this one.

[albionmoonlight]

The alternative would have been to allow him to enter the supplemental draft. Which might have been the best case for him, but it would have opened up a huge can of worms. The owners (and the fans) love the draft as a way to distribute incoming talent. Roger is protecting the owners's interest by not starting to chip away at the draft as the one and only way that high-level talent enters the league. If Collins gets this exception this year, how many guys petition for it next year?

The only thing that seems strange to me is that, out of 32 teams, none of them decided to take a 7th round flyer on him and figure that they would have the whole offseason to try and convince him to sign. I wonder if Collins is much closer to being a suspect than we realize and NFL security let that be leaked to the teams.

[QuikSand]

So, there's nothing really keeping an NFL team from ringing up La'el Collins and offering him, say, the contract they'd have in mind for a 3rd round draft pick (complete with signing bonus, etc), right? Given the unusual situation, I'm a little surprised that someone like the Saints haven't given this some thought.

[albionmoonlight]

So, there's nothing really keeping an NFL team from ringing up La'el Collins and offering him, say, the contract they'd have in mind for a 3rd round draft pick (complete with signing bonus, etc), right? Given the unusual situation, I'm a little surprised that someone like the Saints haven't given this some thought.

According to the obsessives on the Saints's boards, teams are limited in their UDFA budget. I don't have a cite to the CBA or anything, but the common thinking is that every team can pretty much offer him the "max" UDFA contract, which is not much different than the "min" UDFA contract.

[Logan]

The only thing that seems strange to me is that, out of 32 teams, none of them decided to take a 7th round flyer on him and figure that they would have the whole offseason to try and convince him to sign. I wonder if Collins is much closer to being a suspect than we realize and NFL security let that be leaked to the teams.

I think there's two pieces to it: you have his agent saying he's not signing if he's not a 3rd round pick, so what are the chances he actually does eventually sign at a 7th round salary? And...if you draft him, your team is connected to him throughout this entire process.

According to the obsessives on the Saints's boards, teams are limited in their UDFA budget. I don't have a cite to the CBA or anything, but the common thinking is that every team can pretty much offer him the "max" UDFA contract, which is not much different than the "min" UDFA contract.

The max signing bonus teams can offer to all of their UDFAs combined is something like $75K. So no, they couldn't do what Quik is suggesting.

[QuikSand]

Got it, thanks. I guess that is set to cut off the "I won't sign if drafted" ploy to become a truly unrestricted free agent. Ahh, FOF, we hardly knew ye.

[Logan]

This stuff sucks.

Seattle Seahawks Show You Get What You Look For In Regard to Frank Clark’s Domestic Violence History | The Big Lead (http://thebiglead.com/2015/05/05/seattle-seahawks-show-you-get-what-you-look-for-in-regard-to-frank-clarks-domestic-violence-history/#sthash.V3x3y7Ye.uxfs&st_refDomain=t.co&st_refQuery=/UGIiILM249)

[MizzouRah]

I figured they were going to up the carry load for Mason...he seems like a pretty good NFL caliber RB.

I think that's the plan, especially early on this upcoming season.

[miami_fan]

This stuff sucks.

Seattle Seahawks Show You Get What You Look For In Regard to Frank Clark’s Domestic Violence History | The Big Lead (http://thebiglead.com/2015/05/05/seattle-seahawks-show-you-get-what-you-look-for-in-regard-to-frank-clarks-domestic-violence-history/#sthash.V3x3y7Ye.uxfs&st_refDomain=t.co&st_refQuery=/UGIiILM249)

The criminal that you know is better than the unknown.

[Eaglesfan27]

The max for all UDFA for one team is 80k... I only know this because I was reading an article that the Cowboys have guaranteed George Farmer from USC 55k which is highly unusual. Usually, the guaranteed deals are about 4-8k.

[NobodyHere]

La'el Collins to the Cowboys. Jerry Jones must be smiling.

[bulletsponge]

La'el Collins to the Cowboys. Jerry Jones must be smiling.

thats settles it, hes guilty

[Kodos]

There's a real shocker.

[albionmoonlight]

For the last week, the Saints Message boards have been talking about how this poor guy got reamed by the system and he's misunderstood and he just needs a chance and he should stay close to home and play guard for the Saints.

It will be fun to go there now and see everyone convinced that he killed his girlfriend and is a horrible person.

[Honolulu_Blue]

There was quite an uproar on some Lions' sites about the Lions not being aggressive enough in getting him.

Hopefully, their anger will be assuaged by the not one, but TWO, articles pumping the tires of UDFA running back Zach Zenner out of South Dakota State.

Diamond in the rough! He had the 7th highest pSPARQ out of 160 out of 160 draft eligible running backs this year. OMG! AMAZING!