NFL Conference Championship Games Discussion

[mauchow]

The protection for the majority of the game has been incredible for McNabb.

[Chief Rum]

I feel good about McNabb putting together a great drive here.

First play was Westbrook's fault for the incompletion. Nice catch there by Celek.

Actually, I thought McNabb gunned a 20 yard pass into a 5 yard floater in that play. Westbrook should have caught it, but it's not all on him there.

Nonetheless, they both made up for it on that later hookup for the first.

[BrianD]

I take back what I said about McNabb.

[Jas_lov]

The Eagles are about to lose and it's all because McNabb can't hit wide open receivers.

[terpkristin]

Eagles are doing everything they can to munk it up. McNabb is throwing nice passes...at least, some of them are.

/tk

[Philliesfan980]

Ugh, potential game killer on that 3rd and 10 miss by McNabb.

I smell a AZ bring the house blitz and horrible throw for McNabb coming up.

[Tasan]

Well, here's the first "Its the game here" moment, coming up after the 2 minute warning.

[Eaglesfan27]

He's going to make this play.

[Chief Rum]

Big play time.

No dog in this one, but as others have said, it has been a lot of fun to watch.

I am leaning Cards (with respect to any rooting interest) because I like the story, especially with Warner there, but I don't have anything against the Eagles. Whoever win, wins (and I will probably root for the winner of this game in the Super Bowl).

[hoopsguy]

The Eagles are about to lose and it's all because McNabb can't hit wide open receivers.


Those of us rooting for the Cardinals are just begging for you to stop posting right now.

[Tasan]

Oh I love that Peyton commercial.

[mauchow]

Back to my previous point.. Had the Eagles not called a timeout with three minutes to go, they'd LIKELY be in the exact same situation they're in now, obviously with maybe 20 seconds less... which would be with two timeouts if they don't get this. *shrug*

[Comey]

Typical moment for an Eagles fan.

[Jas_lov]

It's all over. Donavon McNabb has choked again.

[Tasan]

Wow. BIG no call there it would seem.

[BrianD]

Shouldn't that be a penalty?

[Eaglesfan27]

That was catchable.. a good throw considering the pressure. Darn.

[kingfc22]

And we have one contender for the Lombardi Trophy

[Tasan]

Probably ruled incidental. He should have caught it anyway.

[Eaglesfan27]

That could have been a PI call, but the 1st one was much more clear, IMO.

[BrianD]

I'd love to see that play from the other side of the field. I'm not sure if Curtis went down on his own or if he had help.

[hoopsguy]

Happy Pumpy Day!

[BrianD]

That could have been a PI call, but the 1st one was much more clear, IMO.

I agree.

[mauchow]

Edge just said "fuck that" on tv. LOL

[kcchief19]

Borderline pass interference and Arizona was lined up offsides too. Then Warner trips on the handoff. Team of destiny apparently.

[Comey]

They'll argue incidental contact, but sonofabitch...that's *two* non-PI calls this game that helped put the Cardinals in the Super Bowl.

I am not saying, by any means, that the Cardinals haven't made the plays to get there, or that the Eagles would've scored on this drive, and won in OT. But dammit...those two plays definitely didn't help the Eagles (among other things, yes).

[ISiddiqui]

Wow... what a scintillating game!!

[Philliesfan980]

I hate this. All these POS (not towards anyone on this board of course) Cards "fans" who jumped on the bandwagon this year are going to the SuperBowl. Where were you when you sold about 30K tickets each year at Sun Devil Stadium?

[Travis]

I hope this is short just to have at least one more really meaningful play in this game.

[mauchow]

Wow, that's PI all the way... OUCH.

[MikeVic]

Yeah that should have been PI.

[Comey]

Dammit. DEFINITE pass interference.

Two f'n calls. Both were huge.

I'm angry now. Arizona earned it, but they had help on two VERY crucial plays.

Destiny indeed.

[SnowMan]

Ya. Ouch on that no-call...

[Tasan]

This was a great game.

[BrianD]

Well, I got my wish on the view from another angle, and I'm still not sure.

[ISiddiqui]

I am happy for Kurt Warner.

Ditto. He's a great person who deserves success in this game.

[mauchow]

Just down it, who the frick cares.. give them the ball back with 10 seconds left.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Does this mean that we need to see Brenda Warner again for the next two weeks? :(

[mauchow]

The receiver was intentionally trying to do something to Curtis before the ball arrived, that's PI...

[Eaglesfan27]

Eagles still have a chance for a miracle finish.

[Comey]

It's back to normal for Philly fans. The Phillies were a definite anomaly, and that team's going down the shitter. Sixers suck, who cares about the Flyers...dammit.

[Tasan]

15 seconds for the Eagles.

[Eaglesfan27]

Not a dola -

If Cards are smart, they don't punt it anywhere near DeSean Jackson.

[Philliesfan980]

Ahh.. Bill Bidwell, I can't think of a less deserving owner.

[BrianD]

This last play should be exciting.

[Tasan]

93 yards for a miracle. Put this baby to bed.

[kingfc22]

I'll set the O/U for laterals at 3.5 for this play...

[Tasan]

Hook and ladder all the way.

[Young Drachma]

Congrats to the Cardinals. It's been a long, long time.

[Travis]

Dockett is an absolute idiot.

[Eaglesfan27]

Congrats to all of the Cardinals fans on the board. I'll be rooting for them in the Super Bowl.

[mauchow]

DeSean broke it to the sideline quite nicely, too bad nobody was smart enough to follow him.

[larrymcg421]

I have to say I HATE this nonsense about how you're supposed to be calling a game differently at the end. If it's PI on the first play of the game, then it's PI late in the 4th quarter, too. I wish announcers would STFU about that.

[MikeVic]

WOW, just drop to the ground Cards guy!

[kingfc22]

Dockett is an absolute idiot.

Would have been awesome if he got it stripped away from him

[Noop]

Both teams should be pride by their effort, it was a great game.

[mauchow]

Dockett is an absolute idiot.

Could you imagine a fumble happening there.. and then returning that for a touchdown as fans run onto the field thinking they've won? LOL

[Tasan]

Wow. Cards in the Super Bowl. I remember the feeling when the Bucs made it earlier this decade. For those of us in the Techmo generation of football fans, it seems pretty improbable

[Radii]

great game, grats Thomkal and the other cards fans here.

[kingfc22]

I guess if a Bidwell owned team can make it to the Super Bowl, then I guess I should have some hope that a York owned team can get there...Nah, who am I kidding.

[cartman]

Congrats to all of the Cardinals fans on the board.

I think Bucc might be the only one, but he stopped rooting for them when they left Chicago.

:D

[MikeVic]

Grats Cards fans. Here's hoping to seeing you there in two weeks. :)

[Noop]

Dockett is an absolute idiot.

He continues to make Florida State proud. :)

[Eaglesfan27]

Would have been awesome if he got it stripped away from him

Yeah, it would have and you could see Curtis try stripping it. Oh well, at least this should keep McNabb and Reid in Philly for another year and with a healthy Curtis and further development from DeSean (and hopefully from Reggie but that is less likely), I like their chances for another run next year.

[Lathum]

Nice to see the Cards go to the Superbowl.

It's a great story, much like the Rays. And nice for the guys who have been there for a while

[Danny]

Great game. the Arizona Cardinals are going to the super bowl (first time that has been said without laughter)

[SackAttack]

WTF at the Yahoo recap:

D. McNabb passed to D. Jackson to the left for no gain. lateral to B. Westbrook. B. Westbrook fumbled. D. Jackson recovered fumble and returned for 5 yards. D. Jackson fumbled. D. Dockett recovered fumble and returned for 4 yards

Was that as fucked up as it sounds?

[BrianD]

Anyone giving Baltimore a chance in the next game?

[Danny]

After everything we've seen these playoffs, I'd say anything could happen.

[Thomkal]

OMG, I can't believe my Cards are going to the Super Bowl! Congrats to the Eagles and their fans-Eagles played with such heart in the second half and it looked like the Cards were going to completely fall apart. That late TD by the Cards was something I wasn't sure they had in them.

[Noop]

Larry Fitzgerald is the absolute truth.

[Lathum]

Dockett is an absolute idiot.

yup.

The only excuse he can make is he wanted to use up clock, but you need to have an internal clock there

[Danny]

yup.

The only excuse he can make is he wanted to use up clock, but you need to have an internal clock there

Dumb play, I'm sure emotions got the best of him. Still, you have to go down there, but that's something you see all too often from players who very rarely touch the ball.

[Tasan]

WTF at the Yahoo recap:



Was that as fucked up as it sounds?


Hook and ladder. Dockett "intercepted" the last backwards pass, making it a fumble.

[Danny]

When was the last time a team with 7 losses this season made the SuperBowl?

Tamba Bay lost 7 games this year and won the superbowl about 6 years ago.

[Rizon]

WTF at the Yahoo recap:



Was that as fucked up as it sounds?

FAR more fucked up. :D

[terpkristin]

Anyone giving Baltimore a chance in the next game?

Hope so, I want to see an "all-bird" Super Bowl. ;)

/tk

[Radii]

Was that as fucked up as it sounds?


Not really. Westbrook flipped the ball behind him, I think it hit the ground but Jackson was right there to grab it again. Jackson got trapped and had to just throw the ball backwards, Dockett caught it out of the air and then ran like an absolute moron laterally across the field long after time had expired. I guess technically those are fumbles but not the kind leading to some crazy rugby like scrum or something that the Yahoo description seems to imply.

[SackAttack]

OMG, I can't believe my Cards are going to the Super Bowl! Congrats to the Eagles and their fans-Eagles played with such heart in the second half and it looked like the Cards were going to completely fall apart. That late TD by the Cards was something I wasn't sure they had in them.

I totally need to go to the comics shop on Military in the next day or two. The proprietor made the comment (he had the ATL/ARI game on a little TV) that if Atlanta scored before the half, Arizona was done. Atlanta scored, yes, but now the Cards are in the Super Bowl.

Gotta ask him how he feels about that one.

[Dr. Sak]

Congrats cards fans

[MizzouRah]

Ahh.. Bill Bidwell, I can't think of a less deserving owner.

Thank you.

[SackAttack]

Thank you.

Is that because the Rams already made their trip under Georgia Frontiere? ;)

[Chief Rum]

When was the last time a team with 7 losses this season made the SuperBowl?

This season? That would be the Cards. Just happened. Weren't you watching?

[Danny]

This season? That would be the Cards. Just happened. Weren't you watching?

I already picked on his wording mistake :p

[Chief Rum]

Is that because the Rams already made their trip under Georgia Frontiere? ;)

She's no longer the owner.

[MizzouRah]

Great win for Warner and the Cardinals.. I do feel bad for McNabb though. Anyone who says he choked is wrong as far as I'm concerned.. he played his ass off.

[Chief Rum]

I already picked on his wording mistake :p

Heh...I like your response.

[Jas_lov]

1979 Rams were the last team to go 9-7 and make it to the Superbowl.

[MizzouRah]

Is that because the Rams already made their trip under Georgia Frontiere? ;)

No, it's because I can't stand that piece of shit Bidwell and him moving MY team so many years ago.

[Thomkal]

Anyone giving Baltimore a chance in the next game?

They have a good chance, both defenses are likely going to be dominant, so its a toss up really, should be a low scoring close game. Gotta go with the Steelers due to their experience at the QB spot and some key injuries on the Ravens, but they certainly have a chance.

[MrDNA]

Hope so, I want to see an "all-bird" Super Bowl. ;)

/tk

My Superbowl theme party depends upon it! I mean, Arizona Cardinals/Pittsburgh Steelers doesn't have a lot of theme potential. What the heck IS a Steeler, anyway?

[SackAttack]

She's no longer the owner.

I'm pretty sure she was the owner in 2000 when they played the Titans, though, no?

[Chief Rum]

No, it's because I can't stand that piece of shit Bidwell and him moving MY team so many years ago.

Glad to see you can identify with my own feelings on the belated Georgia then.

[Warhammer]

1979 Rams were the last team to go 9-7 and make it to the Superbowl.

Even that team needs an asterisk though, as that was one of the best franchises of the 70s and was struck with the injury bug that year.

[Comey]

My Superbowl theme party depends upon it! I mean, Arizona Cardinals/Pittsburgh Steelers doesn't have a lot of theme potential. What the heck IS a Steeler, anyway?

Sister Sledge Party. Whisenhunt and Grimm are long-time Steeler coaches.

We Are Family, baby.

[MizzouRah]

But you guys stole the LA Rams from us. lol :)

hey.. I didn't do it! :)

[Chief Rum]

I'm pretty sure she was the owner in 2000 when they played the Titans, though, no?

I would call her the Absconder, Thief, Heartless Wench of the Rams rather than the owner, but, yes, she was the owner of the Rams in 2000.

But my impression was the present tense of the post re: "less deserving owner" was intended for current owners.

[Chief Rum]

Even that team needs an asterisk though, as that was one of the best franchises of the 70s and was struck with the injury bug that year.

Even better. Jack Youngblood played that Super Bowl with a broken freakin' leg!

[MizzouRah]

Glad to see you can identify with my own feelings on the belated Georgia then.

Most definitely.. I still miss the football Cardinals. Probably why everywhere I went today.. people were pulling for the Cardinals. Most of it had to do with Warner, but it was fitting he was the QB of our old team.

[MrDNA]

Ah, nothing like watching my two most disliked franchises playing for a trip to the Superbowl. :mad:

[Danny]

These injury issues are going to make it tough on Baltimore if guys keep getting banged up.

[ISiddiqui]

But you guys stole the LA Rams from us. lol :)

Exactly. Therefore, IMO, St. Louis loses the right to still be pissed at Bidwell... just like Baltimore loses the right to still be pissed at Irsay.

[Warhammer]

Even better. Jack Youngblood played that Super Bowl with a broken freakin' leg!

And the Rams should have won that one too. I used to love Wendell Tyler. As a side note Cullen Bryant's kid went to my HS.

[Kodos]

Congratulations to the Cards. To be honest, I didn't think that last play was pass interference. I also thought that the Cards should have had the ball on the kick play near the sideline. So they sort of evened out in my mind.

Really nice to see someone new in the Super Bowl. I hope the Cards win it.

[RedKingGold]

Congrats Cardinals fans. Arizona was simply the better team today. Whisenhunt/Grimm were one step ahead of Jim Johnson for pretty much the entire game and the final score was not indicative of the playcalling/execution of both teams. Well played.

I will be rooting for the Cards in the Super Bowl, no doubt about it.

[RedKingGold]

Dola, Fitzgerald is an absolute beast. Good luck to the Steelers/Ravens trying to cover him in two weeks.

[gstelmack]

Congratulations to all the long-suffering Cards fans who have their Super Bowl trip. It's been a fun season for you.

[Crapshoot]

Great game, though any Eagles fan who insists on bitching about McNabb ought to have to spend a season as a Chicago/San Francisco / Minnesota etc etc fan. He's a damn good QB, if not a great one,.

[DaddyTorgo]

not a catch - the ball comes out

[mauchow]

This could be reversed, which I did not see happening initially....but I could probably keep as is because its a inconclusive... or something like that.

[mauchow]

wth was that 'replay' they showed. It was the blurriest view of a replay I ever saw. What a great replay to use as an example....... not.

[mauchow]

Jim Leonhard was the one who started calling it incomplete while the play was finishing up... I wonder if my old high school nemesis told the coach to throw the flag.

And Holmes... EACH of you had your hands on each other, so no PI... Sorry.

I'm rooting for the Ravens only because Jim Leonhard is an old friend of mine and it would be cool to see him in the Supoer Bowl, returning punts(despite him already muffing one today.. lol)

[BrianD]

I'm not sure I like the rule that makes that an incomplete pass.

[SackAttack]

Dola, Fitzgerald is an absolute beast. Good luck to the Steelers/Ravens trying to cover him in two weeks.

Fitzgerald v. Reed would be a fun undercard.

[mauchow]

I'm not sure I like the rule that makes that an incomplete pass.

Agreed. It really seemed to be an attempt at a football move when he tried pushing himself into the endzone with his other arm. Hopefully that won't decide the game, which I highly doubt will as I think the Steelers will win by a few touchdowns.

[John Galt]

I'm not sure I like the rule that makes that an incomplete pass.

Yeah, I'm curious too. Phil Simms clearly wasn't going to tell us. It looked to me like Holmes took 3 steps and had a hand on the ground. How is that not a catch? The ball clearly came loose, but possession seemed established.

[MIJB#19]

Where's the replay police for that Santonio Holmes non-catch? A catch coming short for the TD made the least sense of all, but I'd need people who know the rules to explain the difference between an incomplete pass and plugging it into the end zone there.

[mauchow]

Nice tackle by Leonhard there, but then the Steelers get the first down on 3rd and Long.

[BillJasper]

Not feeling the Ravens' offensive play-calling.

[Danny]

well there's your boy with the recovery there.

[mauchow]

Oooh, Jimmy Leonhard again! He gets the fumble recovery!

[RendeR]

The rule states that as you are coming down with a catch you must control the ball all the way to the ground. The ground 'can' cause an incompletion in this way by bouncing he ball out of the receiver's hand. This case is rather odd as he did seem to take a couple steps, I'm guessing the ref's felt he was in the process of being brought to the ground and carried the play forward until he landed, at which time he lost control? Not sure how I feel about the specific situation but I like the rule.

[Danny]

I don't really have a problem with that Holmes incomplete call. I could see it either way, but if he has a problem then next time he needs to hold onto the football.

[Danny]

That was too long of a 4th down to go with the QB sneak.

[fantom1979]

The rule states that as you are coming down with a catch you must control the ball all the way to the ground. The ground 'can' cause an incompletion in this way by bouncing he ball out of the receiver's hand. This case is rather odd as he did seem to take a couple steps, I'm guessing the ref's felt he was in the process of being brought to the ground and carried the play forward until he landed, at which time he lost control? Not sure how I feel about the specific situation but I like the rule.

I like that rule for diving catches, but I really don't think that rule should apply here. To me, he caught the ball while standing up and lost the ball in the process of diving for the endzone. IMO, the only acceptable calls for the ref were: ball marked inside the 1, touchdown, or fumble.

[fantom1979]

That was too long of a 4th down to go with the QB sneak.

i don't know why you do a qb sneak when you have a bruiser like McClain back there.

[Danny]

Yeah, if it's a matter of an inch or two, the QB sneak almost always works, but that was almost a yard.

[Comey]

Phil Simms makes John Madden sound like a Mensa member.

[fantom1979]

that's one of those plays that makes Roethisberger look brilliant, but if it had been picked off, he would be an idiot.

[Eaglesfan27]

That was a great escape from Big Ben. I know he gets some hate on this board, but he has made some big plays in the playoffs.

[Danny]

Nice play, this game looks like it's going to end up a blowout.

[Comey]

And that #31 for Baltimore...karma's funny. I was about to make a comment about how unbelievably stupid it is for a defender to make a gesture after a normal play (which is nothing new, as we all know). He was doing the John Cena, "You can't see me!" hand in front of the face gesture after Hines Ward was stopped by four Ravens on first down.

He was the one who fell down trying to defend the Santonio Holmes TD pass. So, while I hate Pittsburgh, I also hate Baltimore. And karma's a bitch, son. Where's that hand gesture now?

[fantom1979]

Nice play, this game looks like it's going to end up a blowout.

I thought that in the Arizona game as well........

[Buccaneer]

Late to the party but woohoo! I had to miss the 2nd half because I got sick and had to sleep. I came downstairs and saw my wife crying...but it was tears of joy. They told me what happened and I couldn't believe it. Great comeback by the Eagles and an amazing game-winning drive by the Cards.

I don't know if we're considered bandwagon Cards fans but as FOFC can attest, we have been huge Kurt Warner fans since 1999 - even during his wilderness years. We are so happy for him.

Also, I am officially adding Larry Fitzgerald as one of my top 3 favorite players - after listening to his post-game interview on NFL Network. Now go beat the AFC, esp. if it's the f'n Steelers.

[muns]

That no touchdown now is looking pretty big. Its keeping the ravens in the game

[Buccaneer]

By the way, I've seen a couple of sportscaster say that this cements Warner's HOF chances. I recall a thread we had 7 years ago asking whether Kurt was a HOF QB and I think a majority said yes, even back then.

[MIJB#19]

Mmm, I must be blind, I could have sworn Santonio Holmes took score a bit too light hearted and jumped wide left of the endzone. ;)

[stevew]

I'm glad that McNabb Drama should be over by midweek. I was expressing significant fatigue over the last 3 to 4 weeks.

[MIJB#19]

I don't know if we're considered bandwagon Cards fans but as FOFC can attest, we have been huge Kurt Warner fans since 1999 - even during his wilderness years. We are so happy for him.I had no idea about Wanrer per se, but knowing your desired type of QB, Warner sounds like about the only QB in the league fitting that label.

And I'll be rooting for the Cardinals too. Kurt Warner is about the only rotting interest I have in the NFL. Although, Shaun Hill is moving up fast.

[Buccaneer]

I had no idea about Wanrer per se, but knowing your desired type of QB, Warner sounds like about the only QB in the league fitting that label.



You have no idea as to my "desired type of QB" (it's not Warner) and just rehashing something from years ago. Shame on you.

Warner's rise in 1999 was one for the ages and that has stuck with us after all of these years.

[stevew]

Really ticky tack PI

[kcchief19]

Even better. Jack Youngblood played that Super Bowl with a broken freakin' leg!
Anything Barry Bonds rubbed on his ass pales in comparison to the horse steroids and painkillers guys shot themselves up with in the '70s and '80s.

[kcchief19]

Really ticky tack PI
I think the no-call at the end of the Eagles/Cards game was more obvious than that one that did get called.

[henry296]

Was Sweed this bad at Texas? He's been a huge disappointment this season.

[muns]

The ravens have no business being in this game. Between the refs and limas sweed, this really should be a blow out

[muns]

Nice make up hit though :)

[DaddyTorgo]

I had no idea about Wanrer per se, but knowing your desired type of QB, Warner sounds like about the only QB in the league fitting that label.

And I'll be rooting for the Cardinals too. Kurt Warner is about the only rotting interest I have in the NFL. Although, Shaun Hill is moving up fast.

You have no idea as to my "desired type of QB" (it's not Warner) and just rehashing something from years ago. Shame on you.

Warner's rise in 1999 was one for the ages and that has stuck with us after all of these years.

:confused:

[kcchief19]

Phil Simms makes John Madden sound like a Mensa member.
I have this feeling on most games with Phil Simms but never more so than today. I get the feeling he and I are not watching the same game and he just learned the rules of football about half an hour before game time.

Jim Nantz is decent but CBS needs to man up and make Kevin Harlan and Rich Gannon their No. 1 team.

[DeToxRox]

Ben is so terrible. He still makes rookie mistakes.

[MikeVic]

Ben is so terrible. He still makes rookie mistakes.

How rude.

[MikeVic]

Nice hit by Sweed, crappy roughing the kicker call, bad time management by Big Ben.

[bhlloy]

Baltimore's game plan makes no sense to me. What happened to protecting Flacco and running the ball? Flacco clearly isn't up to the task of winning this game himself.

[stevew]

A bit of breathing room. But I have a bad feeling about this. Flacco hasn't been that off on many of the long throws.

[Senator]

Even more Dodge Ram commercials every break please.

[muns]

Hey bruce nice call on a 3 and 1....... geez, and then burger is back to his old self...... lets just keep giving the ravens shots

[stevew]

Hey bruce nice call on a 3 and 1....... geez, and then burger is back to his old self...... lets just keep giving the ravens shots

He better not be with the team next year. I've had my fill against the arians nation

[Karlifornia]

If Baltimore scores a TD here, do they go for two?

Knowing NFL coaches, they won't, but I think that I would, because even if you miss, a FG still ties it, and if you make it, Pitt can score a TD and still only be up 8

[Eaglesfan27]

I wouldn't go for 2. Being able to win with a FG is too valuable particularly with the difficulties that the Baltimore offense has had.

[muns]

He better not be with the team next year. I've had my fill against the arians nation

ohhh Im with you. He is a joke of a coordinator and makes some lousy calls at critical times in games.

[stevew]

Fuckin A.

[RendeR]

I truly can't win in this game....*sigh*

[stevew]

Hey. Memo. Parker into the line aint working. Way too early to go into the clock killing offense

[stevew]

Inevitable hand of doom is looming on the horizon.

[muns]

shhhh :)

[Izulde]

can't beleive that stupid penalty on the Ravens.

[mauchow]

oooh a TimeOut, c'monnnnn Ravens

[Eaglesfan27]

Great return by Troy Polamalu.

[Izulde]

Hell of an INT return by TP there

[muns]

wow

[henry296]

His best Ed Reed impersonation!!!

[Young Drachma]

Hell of a grab.

[Karlifornia]

Well, now the Ravens need score on two consecutive possessions...I don't see that happening.

[henry296]

and probably an onside kick since they have 1 TO left.

[mauchow]

Well, I hate to say it but, uh, I don't think it will be a close game in two weeks. Granted, that's what everyone has said for each team that's faced the Cardinals. Who knows.

I will be rooting for the Cards though.

[stevew]

I got a feeling.......

[Karlifornia]

Ho-lee shit.

[mauchow]

Ouch. Helmet-to-helmet is never a good thing.

This might last a half an hour.

[stevew]

Fuck. This is not good.

[mauchow]

Clark is up, Willis is still down. Damn. Not a good way to end the game. Especially for the Ravens, who absolutely have to challenge this call as an incomplete pass.

[RendeR]

This game certainly delivered the hits. Holy shit.

Am I the only one that saw that as a helmet to helmet?

[henry296]

Clark is up, Willis is still down. Damn. Not a good way to end the game. Especially for the Ravens, who absolutely have to challenge this call as an incomplete pass.

I realize this is not important given McGahee's condition, but the Ravens don't have any challenges.

[Galaxy]

I always thought that you couldn't lead with your helmet.

[Young Drachma]

Football seems to have far too many of these "oh shit" moments. More than any other sport.

[RendeR]

Phil Simms really is an idiot isn't he....

[Izulde]

:( Not good at all.

[henry296]

I always thought that you couldn't lead with your helmet.

Agree with that, but I'm pretty sure he lead with his right shoulder and after contact collided heads.

[Eaglesfan27]

I always thought that you couldn't lead with your helmet.

Looked like he lead with his shoulder but the momentum made them collide helmets. I don't think that is a penalty. Hopefully, McGahee is just suffering a concussion (seems like the best case at this point.)

[RendeR]

Helmets met full force first based on that last replay.

[Noop]

Jebus Thrist Willis has overcome so much in his life, I hate to see him hurt like that.

[henry296]

Agree with that, but I'm pretty sure he lead with his right shoulder and after contact collided heads.

I was wrong, first contact was helmet to helmet.

[Lathum]

Crappy way to end the game, hope mcGahee is OK and all this is precautionary

[M GO BLUE!!!]

He'll be fine. He just got knocked out for a minute and they are always cautious when this sort of thing happens.

[stevew]

clark should go in a bit lower. Willis adjusted ever so slightly cause he knew he was going to get blown up. So I don't think Clark was trying to lead with the helmet as much as it was just bad luck. And Clark needs to be more careful

[henry296]

Difficult to be in a good mood after seeing that happen.

[henry296]

clark should go in a bit lower. Willis adjusted ever so slightly cause he knew he was going to get blown up. So I don't think Clark was trying to lead with the helmet as much as it was just bad luck. And Clark needs to be more careful


It seemed very similar to the hit Clark had on Welker earlier this year.

[DaddyTorgo]

ugh. fucking steelers. cmon arizona!!!

[stevew]

So. I wonder how many years in jail Tank Carter is going to risk to go to this super bowl. Assuming he got out.

[MikeVic]

Scary last hit, but Polamalu's INT TD was sweeeet! Let's go Super Bowl!

[RedKingGold]

I still can't get over the Cardinals in the Super Bowl. Combine that with Tampa Bay in the World Series, and the Clippers and/or Maple Leafs have to be getting theirs soon.

[RedKingGold]

Rod Woodson sighting!

[Hurst2112]

Ed Reed who????

[Pumpy Tudors]

...the Clippers and/or Maple Leafs have to be getting theirs soon.
Let's not get carried away.

[Suburban Rhythm]

So. I wonder how many years in jail Tank Carter is going to risk to go to this super bowl. Assuming he got out.

Sure, Troy's int return was nice...but who makes the int that sealed the game??

;)

[Glengoyne]

Sure, Troy's int return was nice...but who makes the int that sealed the game??

;)
Pretty sure that was Polamalu.;)

[stevew]

Sure, Troy's int return was nice...but who makes the int that sealed the game??

;)

If I ever win the lottery expect to see a Carter authentic heading your way.

[duckman]

Funny a Cowboys fan would use the word Choke, but I guess they are experts at watching something choke (Romo, the king of choke).... How long has it been since they've even won a playoff game?
How many Lombardi Trophies does the Eagles have again?

This shouldn't take too long. :popcorn:

[Karlifornia]

How many Lombardi Trophies does the Eagles have again?

This shouldn't take too long. :popcorn:

The Niners have 5, just like the Cowboys...but I'm not gonna start talking trash to fans of a team that actually did something positive this season, besides be the most annoying soap opera in sports.

[RedKingGold]

How many Lombardi Trophies does the Eagles have again?

This shouldn't take too long. :popcorn:
About as many Super Bowl appearences for Romo.

Seriously, isn't he the most overrated quarterback in this league right now?

[Suburban Rhythm]

If I ever win the lottery expect to see a Carter authentic heading your way.

He was on the post game with Bob Pompeani and Edmund Nelson. And they started bringing up the 2005 run.

I am pleading "PLEASE ASK HIM ABOUT TANK!!!!"....but no luck.

[gstelmack]

I have this feeling on most games with Phil Simms but never more so than today. I get the feeling he and I are not watching the same game and he just learned the rules of football about half an hour before game time.

"If you're going to run on this Pittsburgh team, you either need to run inside near the center, or outside."

I think he was trying to say you don't want to go between the tackle and guard, although I'm not sure how much that really matters...

[johnnyshaka]

How many Lombardi Trophies does the Eagles have again?

This shouldn't take too long. :popcorn:

LOL!!

Love these well thought out, relevant retorts. In fact, you're probably still wearing that 15 year old boys medium Super Bowl t-shirt and your Zubaz right now, aren't you? :thumbsup:

C'mon, if you're going to play the "we have more SBs" card the least you could do is provide us with a little comic relief.

[johnnyshaka]

The Eagles are about to lose and it's all because McNabb can't hit wide open receivers.

And for every pass he misses one of his receivers drops one that hits them right in the hands.

[duckman]

Seriously, isn't he the most overrated quarterback in this league right now?
Yes, Romo is one of the most overrated quarterbacks in the league, but so is McNabb. Just like you can count on Romo throwing a pick or putting the ball on the turf at worst possible time, you can count McNabb overthrowing wide open receivers or even throwing the ball into the turf two yards from an open receiver when the Eagles need a big play. The only difference between the two is McNabb has had some playoff success while Romo has not.

[duckman]

LOL!!

Love these well thought out, relevant retorts. In fact, you're probably still wearing that 15 year old boys medium Super Bowl t-shirt and your Zubaz right now, aren't you? :thumbsup:

How did you know? :eek:

I had to cut out the sides to make fit. Hell, I still watch reruns of the Cowboys glory days because that'll be the only time I'll see them win anything again in my lifetime. Fuck you, Jerry Jones!

C'mon, if you're going to play the "we have more SBs" card the least you could do is provide us with a little comic relief..
Sure, I can provide you with some. The Cardinals (yes, those Cardinals) just beat the Iggles for a shot a Lombardi Trophy.

I find it hysterical! :D

[Dr. Sak]

Romo has had 10 times better WR than McNabb has had in Romo's short little career.

[Dr. Sak]

.
Sure, I can provide you with some. The Cardinals (yes, those Cardinals) just beat the Iggles for a shot a Lombardi Trophy.

I find it hysterical! :D

Almost as funny as those same Eagles crushing the Cowboys when a playoff spot was on the line the last game of the year. :D :D :D

Maybe someday you can tell your kid about the Glory days when the Cowboys would actually win a playoff game.

[Dr. Sak]

I can't blame that game on McNabb. The defense was totally confused in the first half and when they needed the big stop at the end of the game they didn't come up with it.

McNabb missed some open receivers, and at the same time the receivers had some key drops. It was a total team effort loss, not just McNabb.

[duckman]

Almost as funny as those same Eagles crushing the Cowboys when a playoff spot was on the line the last game of the year. :D :D :D

Maybe someday you can tell your kid about the Glory days when the Cowboys would actually win a playoff game.

That just hurts, man. :cry:

[DaddyTorgo]

Yes, Romo is one of the most overrated quarterbacks in the league, but so is McNabb. Just like you can count on Romo throwing a pick or putting the ball on the turf at worst possible time, you can count McNabb overthrowing wide open receivers or even throwing the ball into the turf two yards from an open receiver when the Eagles need a big play. The only difference between the two is McNabb has had some playoff success while Romo has not.

Rothlesburger is 3rd on this list. If he wasn't so fucking huge and tough to bring down he'd be a mediocre QB in this league.

Anecdotally (not supported by any stats - although if someone wants to challenge me or back me up i'm listening) it seems to me that a high % of his completed passes, particularly his long passes, come when he's shrugged off an attempted sack and rolled out of the pocket. This gives his receivers time to shake the coverage a little more or get open. It also forces the defense to cover longer.

And I'm not saying you can't give him credit for that - sure you can give him credit for loading up on the donuts and being a lardass (and yes I'm sure he's in better shape than me despite probably weighing in the same neighborhood and isn't really a lardass, but it's my post so i can call him that if i want), but my point is that in terms of like "qb talent in a vacumn" or whatever you want to call it, in terms of pure skill, whatever, he isn't all that good.

If you said "throw a 50 yard pass down the sideline to the outside shoulder of this receiver with no pressure on you and just one DB running with the guy to be a body" I'd have more confidence in guys like Brady, Manning, Brees then I would in Big Ben.

[MikeVic]

Rothlesburger is 3rd on this list. If he wasn't so fucking huge and tough to bring down he'd be a mediocre QB in this league.

Anecdotally (not supported by any stats - although if someone wants to challenge me or back me up i'm listening) it seems to me that a high % of his completed passes, particularly his long passes, come when he's shrugged off an attempted sack and rolled out of the pocket. This gives his receivers time to shake the coverage a little more or get open. It also forces the defense to cover longer.

And I'm not saying you can't give him credit for that - sure you can give him credit for loading up on the donuts and being a lardass (and yes I'm sure he's in better shape than me despite probably weighing in the same neighborhood and isn't really a lardass, but it's my post so i can call him that if i want), but my point is that in terms of like "qb talent in a vacumn" or whatever you want to call it, in terms of pure skill, whatever, he isn't all that good.

If you said "throw a 50 yard pass down the sideline to the outside shoulder of this receiver with no pressure on you and just one DB running with the guy to be a body" I'd have more confidence in guys like Brady, Manning, Brees then I would in Big Ben.

You're just jealous.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Rothlesburger is 3rd on this list. If he wasn't so fucking huge and tough to bring down he'd be a mediocre QB in this league.

Anecdotally (not supported by any stats - although if someone wants to challenge me or back me up i'm listening) it seems to me that a high % of his completed passes, particularly his long passes, come when he's shrugged off an attempted sack and rolled out of the pocket. This gives his receivers time to shake the coverage a little more or get open. It also forces the defense to cover longer.

And I'm not saying you can't give him credit for that - sure you can give him credit for loading up on the donuts and being a lardass (and yes I'm sure he's in better shape than me despite probably weighing in the same neighborhood and isn't really a lardass, but it's my post so i can call him that if i want), but my point is that in terms of like "qb talent in a vacumn" or whatever you want to call it, in terms of pure skill, whatever, he isn't all that good.

If you said "throw a 50 yard pass down the sideline to the outside shoulder of this receiver with no pressure on you and just one DB running with the guy to be a body" I'd have more confidence in guys like Brady, Manning, Brees then I would in Big Ben.

You realize some of those are designed rollouts, right?
How many times have you seen where the QB gets no pressure AND has one-on-one coverage down the sideline. Multiple times a game?

Based on those arguments, I'll start my OL with Tony Mandarich and DL with Mike Mamula, cause they looked fantastic in non-game situations.

[RedKingGold]

I can't blame that game on McNabb. The defense was totally confused in the first half and when they needed the big stop at the end of the game they didn't come up with it.

McNabb missed some open receivers, and at the same time the receivers had some key drops. It was a total team effort loss, not just McNabb.

Yup, that loss yesterday should be placed squarely on our defense. History should not forget that the Eagles had a 25-24 lead before the defense let the Cards stroll 80-yards down the field for the game winning touchdown

[DaddyTorgo]

You realize some of those are designed rollouts, right?
How many times have you seen where the QB gets no pressure AND has one-on-one coverage down the sideline. Multiple times a game?

Based on those arguments, I'll start my OL with Tony Mandarich and DL with Mike Mamula, cause they looked fantastic in non-game situations.

oh i realize there are designed rollouts in there.

and i was trying to use that example to get at "skills"

and i fully admit, i just don't think the guy is that good. that's my personal opinion. do i like him better than favre? yes. do I think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread, like some of the announcers make him out to be? hell no.

[DaddyTorgo]

You're just jealous.

jealous? lol nope

[stevew]

I don't think Steeler fans are the ones trying to overrate big Ben. I still cringe every time he throws a pass. Ben will be lucky to last 10 years in the league because he's taken way too much abuse. Some self inflicted, some cause of the poor line. He's still a winner though.

[gstelmack]

But Phil Simms said that Big Ben has learned how to take a hit and doesn't get NEARLY as beat up as it looks! C'mon, PHIL SIMMS said he was fine!

[DaddyTorgo]

i agree with you to a point stevew.

i blame it on the announcers actually. i think i'd be a lot more sane and less irritated if i watched games with the sound off. i'm not sure if it's bradshaw in particular (might make sense?) but it just seems like the announcers fawn over him.

[MikeVic]

I also think Big Ben won't have a long career, because of the abuse. But while he's there, he's winning games and making good throws. Yeah he makes some bad ones too, but they more than even-out in the end I think. I'd still take Brady and Peyton over him for sure, but I'm not upset he's our starting QB.

[stevew]

Simms was so stupid yesterday that I almost went out at halftime and got an FM antenna for my receiver.

[Danny]

Of course not over Manning, Brady or a few others, but I'd take Big Ben as my quarterback no question.

[MIJB#19]

You have no idea as to my "desired type of QB" (it's not Warner) and just rehashing something from years ago. Shame on you.

Warner's rise in 1999 was one for the ages and that has stuck with us after all of these years.Heh, sorry then. It was pretty late (early, to be technically correct) when I wrote that.

Somehow the Bucc likes Warner link never stuck, yet a Bucc prefers pocket passers part did. And Kurt Warner, at least to me, sounds like the prototypical pocket passer. ;)

[Buccaneer]

Heh, sorry then. It was pretty late (early, to be technically correct) when I wrote that.

Somehow the Bucc likes Warner link never stuck, yet a Bucc prefers pocket passers part did. And Kurt Warner, at least to me, sounds like the prototypical pocket passer. ;)

The only kind of pocket passer I like are the ones that can make multiple reads and release the ball quickly as pocket collapses. There is only one QB in the last 10 years that I've seen that can do that consistently - Tom Brady. Otherwise, my primary interest in a QB is to make multiple reads and checkoffs - doesn't matter where, in or out of the pocket. My secondary interest is the ability to throw accurate medium and deep balls. Only a very few can see the field and throw good long balls and those are the ones I like (including Warner).

[Scoobz0202]

The Niners have 5, just like the Cowboys...but I'm not gonna start talking trash to fans of a team that actually did something positive this season, besides be the most annoying soap opera in sports.

Well, Eaglesfan did bring up more then just this season to back up his argument, so I would say the Lombardi trophies are a very good supporting argument ;)

[Dr. Sak]

Simms was so stupid yesterday that I almost went out at halftime and got an FM antenna for my receiver.

Then you remembered that Hillgrove cant call the game either...ITS A CATCH..no wait he dropped it....NO HE DIDN"T TOUCHDOWN STEELERS...

[MikeVic]

I listened to the Eagles/Cards first half on the radio, and Marv Albert was announcing. That was weird for me.

[Thomkal]

Belated Congrats to the Steelers and their fans on making it to the Super Bowl. It should be an interesting matchup between head coaches given that Whisenhunt (and Grimm) were passed up for the Steelers job.

Still in a daze over the Cards making it to the Super Bowl. :)

[stevew]

Then you remembered that Hillgrove cant call the game either...ITS A CATCH..no wait he dropped it....NO HE DIDN"T TOUCHDOWN STEELERS...

Pretty much. And the odds were that cunty Boomer was doing the game on XM 124.

[MIJB#19]

The only kind of pocket passer I like are the ones that can make multiple reads and release the ball quickly as pocket collapses. There is only one QB in the last 10 years that I've seen that can do that consistently - Tom Brady. Otherwise, my primary interest in a QB is to make multiple reads and checkoffs - doesn't matter where, in or out of the pocket. My secondary interest is the ability to throw accurate medium and deep balls. Only a very few can see the field and throw good long balls and those are the ones I like (including Warner).Thanks for clearing that up, Bucc.