Will Jim Boheim STFU? [Archive] - Front Office Football Central

Easy Mac

03-12-2007, 04:45 PM

Seriously, he's on every show whining and crying about how Syracuse didn't get in the NCAA's. You know what, play a game outside NY for crying out loud. It sucks you didn't get in, but thats life. And at least be a man and say who shouldn't be in. He was asked point blank on the Herd today, and all he would say is that Syracuse should be in, but he wouldn't say who they should replace. 1 out of every 5 teams in the NCAA are in the tourney, how is that not enough for people? Someone has to get left out, and unfortunately that was you this year. Just get off the TV and stop acting like a little bitch.

st.cronin

03-12-2007, 04:51 PM

Agreed. Just win your conference, for crying out loud.

Klinglerware

03-12-2007, 04:52 PM

I'm agnostic as to whether or not Syracuse belonged in the NCAA tournament. But for what it's worth, they don't even have a 1-seed in the NIT...

JonInMiddleGA

03-12-2007, 04:56 PM

Just get off the TV and stop acting like a little bitch.

Umm ... after watching him on the sideline for a lot of years, I don't think that's an act.

molson

03-12-2007, 05:05 PM

I'm agnostic as to whether or not Syracuse belonged in the NCAA tournament. But for what it's worth, they don't even have a 1-seed in the NIT...

I read somewhere that the #1 NIT seeds were determined in advance, so specific TV and arena deals could be struck. Syracuse wansn't expected to be left out, so they ended up with a #2.

miami_fan

03-12-2007, 05:07 PM

Boheim 2007 reminds me of Gary Williams 2006.

John Galt

03-12-2007, 05:14 PM

I read somewhere that the #1 NIT seeds were determined in advance, so specific TV and arena deals could be struck. Syracuse wansn't expected to be left out, so they ended up with a #2.

Actually, all the NIT seeds are screwy every year. They are done by a different group of people (coaches and ex-coaches I think). The seeds never make any sense so I wouldn't put any weight in them. Isn't Drexel a 5 seed in the NIT this year?

Karlifornia

03-12-2007, 05:14 PM

Those skin tight uniform tops were supposed to aerodynamically propel them to glory.

rowech

03-12-2007, 05:53 PM

Welcome to college football. Urban Meyer was rewarded for his crying. Granted it paid off but it opened a Pandora's box. It won't be long before teams launch active campaigns for this stuff.

SteelerFan448

03-12-2007, 07:11 PM

Syracuse should have been in there.

wade moore

03-12-2007, 07:16 PM

Actually, all the NIT seeds are screwy every year. They are done by a different group of people (coaches and ex-coaches I think). The seeds never make any sense so I wouldn't put any weight in them. Isn't Drexel a 5 seed in the NIT this year?

A 3 seed for Drexel. And I actually heard the same thing as molson - I think the committee chair for the NIT Selection Committee actually said as much in a TV interview.

That doesn't explain why Drexel isn't a 2 seed though. What I think explains it is a max capacity 2500 person arena that the NCAA want to avoid hosting as many games as possible.

General Mike

03-12-2007, 07:56 PM

And at least be a man and say who shouldn't be in. He was asked point blank on the Herd today, and all he would say is that Syracuse should be in, but he wouldn't say who they should replace.

Stanford.

Easy Mac

03-12-2007, 07:58 PM

panerd

03-12-2007, 08:06 PM

I saw him bitching and moaning on PTI today and he brought up the fact that there weren't enough mid majors in the tournament? WTF? :confused: :confused:

The Big East : "Screwing Mid-Majors out of their rightful place in the NCAA tournament for the past 23 years"

molson

03-12-2007, 08:38 PM

But he never said it. He even went through lists of who they had a better SOS and RPI and OOC wins than, but when asked who should be taken out, he said he hadn't done the research and couldn't answer a question like that.

You're calling him a whiner now - what would the response be if he was calling out specific teams?

cartman

03-12-2007, 08:40 PM

I would gladly listen to Boeheim bitch and moan than ever have to see this again:

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I want to pick up a pair of those astro-undies and drive non-stop to Gainesville just to slap him around.

Easy Mac

03-12-2007, 08:41 PM

You're calling him a whiner now - what would the response be if he was calling out specific teams?

I'd like it far more if he did. If you're going to be a little bitch, you might as well go the whole way instead of skirting around the issue.

molson

03-12-2007, 08:55 PM

I'd like it far more if he did. If you're going to be a little bitch, you might as well go the whole way instead of skirting around the issue.

Ya, that's logical. (I dislike you to do something, so do it more and I'll be pleased)

John Galt

03-12-2007, 09:59 PM

A 3 seed for Drexel.

I stand corrected. Either way, NIT seeds are just crazy.

wade moore

03-12-2007, 10:01 PM

I stand corrected. Either way, NIT seeds are just crazy.

Agreed. Just if you havent's een in the multiple NCAA threads, I'm a CAA Homer so I knew that off the top of my head. Same thing happened to Hofstra last year when they were one of the last 4 out.

JPhillips

03-12-2007, 10:13 PM

I'm convinced that ever since the NCAA bought the NIT that big name teams that were on the bubble have been pushed to the NIT for prestige and ratings.

Wolfpack

03-13-2007, 10:53 AM

I'm convinced that ever since the NCAA bought the NIT that big name teams that were on the bubble have been pushed to the NIT for prestige and ratings.

Well, maybe not the ratings part since ESPN is sticking most of the early round games over on the "U" (presumably as another club to bludgeon various cable and satellite providers to carry it).

Klinglerware

03-13-2007, 11:06 AM

I read somewhere that the #1 NIT seeds were determined in advance, so specific TV and arena deals could be struck. Syracuse wansn't expected to be left out, so they ended up with a #2.

Ahh, looks like the sketchy 1-AA methodology for determining playoff seedings could be at play here. Thanks for the clarification...

Pumpy Tudors

03-13-2007, 11:27 AM

I would gladly listen to Boeheim bitch and moan than ever have to see this again:
Ladies and gentlemen, Joakim Noah.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, JOAKIM NOAH!

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, JOAKIM NOAH!

albionmoonlight

03-13-2007, 11:57 AM

It looks like Syracuse got screwed.

But leave the bitching to the fans.

The proper response from the coach, IMHO, is to tell his returning players to make sure that they win more games next season so there won't even be a debate.

Hammer755

03-13-2007, 12:49 PM

I'm not a big Doug Gottlieb fan, but he was guest-hosting one of the ESPN daytime shows (either for Cowherd or Patrick) and he called out Boeheim the other day. Gottlieb suggested that Syracuse should have scheduled some road games to avoid that criticism. Boeheim's response was something like, 'Well, we went to Buffalo to play Canisius', at which point Gottlieb cut him off completely with a well-reasoned 'Come Onnnnn!'. That game was literally the only non-conference road game the Orangemen played.

I wasn't aware of it, but apparently there was already some bad blood between Gottlieb & Boeheim.

st.cronin

03-13-2007, 12:54 PM

It looks like Syracuse got screwed.

But leave the bitching to the fans.

The proper response from the coach, IMHO, is to tell his returning players to make sure that they WIN THEIR CONFERENCE next season so there won't even be a debate.

fixed

Young Drachma

03-13-2007, 02:41 PM

96-team tourney!

rkmsuf

03-13-2007, 02:45 PM

96-team tourney!

What about team 97?

Play in game!

Young Drachma

03-13-2007, 02:51 PM

What about team 97?

Play in game!

I've seen a few proposals of this on blogs. The idea is to stick to the whole 34 at-large bids. And each conference would get 2 automatic at-large bids. Presumably, one for the regular season champ and one for the tourney champ. And if it's the same team, you go with the #2 seed in the tourney.

That would still only be about 30% of all of D-1 basketball. Consider almost half of the football teams in D-1A play in the post-season, thats not that big a deal.

rkmsuf

03-13-2007, 02:52 PM

I've seen a few proposals of this on blogs. The idea is to stick to the whole 34 at-large bids. And each conference would get 2 automatic at-large bids. Presumably, one for the regular season champ and one for the tourney champ. And if it's the same team, you go with the #2 seed in the tourney.

That would still only be about 30% of all of D-1 basketball. Consider almost half of the football teams in D-1A play in the post-season, thats not that big a deal.

Sounds like an incredible cluster fuck to me.

Young Drachma

03-13-2007, 02:57 PM

Sounds like an incredible cluster fuck to me.

Didn't say it was my idea.

But then, they said the same thing about 64.

So...I dunno. It'll happen eventually. That's not really in doubt. It's just a matter of how long they can keep the small schools from revolting. Or more of the Syracuse's of the world from complaining each year.

rkmsuf

03-13-2007, 02:59 PM

Didn't say it was my idea.

But then, they said the same thing about 64.

So...I dunno. It'll happen eventually. That's not really in doubt. It's just a matter of how long they can keep the small schools from revolting. Or more of the Syracuse's of the world from complaining each year.

Just have one giant double elimination tournament with every DI school starting in November.

Oh wait. The DII schools will complain.

Ok, everyone on the planet can get a team together.

Easy Mac

03-13-2007, 05:06 PM

sterlingice

03-14-2007, 06:20 AM

Bob Huggins was on KC radio yesterday and he had a two-fold suggestion:

1) Every Div I team got into the tourney
2) There were requirements to being a Div I team like in football- based on size, attendance, etc

Not my favorite idea- I kindof like it how it is minus the play-in game. But, just saying...

SI

Young Drachma

03-14-2007, 08:50 AM

There are indeed way too many D1 basketball programs. But they won't change the rules now. Expanding the tournament would probably add more yo-yo schools thinking they can compete at the D1 level once a year. But the absurdity of a college football non-playoff is still better than the possibility that a major conference team that gets hot, wins its conference tournament with a subpar record, could win it all.

It hasn't happened, the possibility exists. That'd be interesting to debate about the next morning.

Wolfpack

03-14-2007, 09:08 AM

But the absurdity of a college football non-playoff is still better than the possibility that a major conference team that gets hot, wins its conference tournament with a subpar record, could win it all.

It hasn't happened, the possibility exists. That'd be interesting to debate about the next morning.

Well, I guess it depends on how you define "sub-par". NC State was 17-10 after the 1983 regular season and generally was considered to need to win the ACC tournament to make the field (the NCAA had 52 teams in the tournament that year, so a lot fewer at-larges could be had). They beat Wake, UNC, and Virginia in three days to win their way into the field as the #6 seed out west. The rest of the story is well known, of course. :D

To this day I think it's at least tied if not still the most losses ever suffered by a national champion (26-10).

Mr. Wednesday

03-14-2007, 03:07 PM

That would still only be about 30% of all of D-1 basketball. Consider almost half of the football teams in D-1A play in the post-season, thats not that big a deal.

Actually, it would be a big deal. The standard participation in NCAA-run post-season events is 25%. A sport or two is above that, but the one that I can comment on directly (hockey) is mostly major-conference teams (therefore, teams that are for the most part trying to compete nationally rather than just win their conference to get into the tournament), as compared to basketball which is mostly mid-major teams (lots more mid-major conferences than power conferences).

Mr. Wednesday

03-14-2007, 03:08 PM

Bob Huggins was on KC radio yesterday and he had a two-fold suggestion:

1) Every Div I team got into the tourney
Every Div I team is in the tourney—if you look at the conference tournaments as an extension of the NCAA tournaments, which isn't perfect in the case of at-large bids, but does well enough for me conceptually.