Marcus Vick Arrested and Dismissed

[vtbub]

Virginia Tech quarterback Marcus Vick was arrested on December 17th of 2005 on two driving violations, including driving while is license was suspended. Vick was stopped in Hampton Roads, Virgina according to the Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/06/AR2006010601017.html) originally for speeding and when his license was run, the driving while suspended charged was added.

In what will be seen by some as an attempt to cover up his alleged actions, the State of Virginia did not post the citation on it's website until today. Vick was cited for going 38 in a 25 mile per hour speed limit zone according to the charge filed online by the Hampton Police Department.

This is not Vick's first brush with the law. The embattled quarterback plead no contest to possession of marijuana last July and to giving alcohol to an underage girl in September 2004. Vick also is facing disciplinary actions from Virginia Tech in a stomping incident during the Gator Bowl Monday in Jacksonville. Vick stomped on the leg of All-American linebacker Elvis Dumervil in the Hokies win.

The school was set to call a press conference tomorrow morning to announce what actions they would take against the junior, who could conceivably come out for the NFL Draft this April. It is believed that Vick is under a no tolerance policy from the school for his past alleged transgressions.

He faces a January 17th court date for the December driving charges.

Screenshot of Court Record (http://www.brinkleys.org/users/tsl/Files/vick.jpg)

[Buzzbee]

He must've been going to see Fritz.

[Schmidty]

Come on. 38 in a 25? I say he deserves the chair.

[Ragone]

personally i liked hearing what the qb coach said "i was going to pull him out of the game at halftime.. i was that livid"

right.. and tom osbourne considering not playing lawrence phillips :)

[WSUCougar]

And another remarkably-talented athlete pisses away their gift by being stupid.

[Huckleberry]

So the behavior in the bowl game came even though he knew about this incident. All with a supposed "zero tolerance" policy in place.

Bright guy.

[albionmoonlight]

Cut him now. I think that he brings more negative to the program than positive now. (Although I suppose there is the matter of wanting to stay in his brother's good graces in terms of recuiting, etc. It would probably hurt the program if their most famous football alum started holding a public grudge against them.)

[Maple Leafs]

Is there a video somewhere of the Bowl incident? I've never seen it.

[timmynausea]

Marcus Vick has been dismissed.

http://www.hokiesports.com/football/recaps/2006016aaa.html

[astrosfan64]

21 year old college kid come on, leave this guy alone.

[timmynausea]

21 year old college kid come on, leave this guy alone.

Former college kid.

[astrosfan64]

Marcus Vick has been dismissed.

http://www.hokiesports.com/football/recaps/2006016aaa.html

If they suspended every kid who drank with younger girls and smoke some herb, college would be VERY EMPTY.

[Huckleberry]

Is there a video somewhere of the Bowl incident? I've never seen it.
http://media.putfile.com/VT-THUG-1

[albionmoonlight]

Marcus Vick has been dismissed.

http://www.hokiesports.com/football/recaps/2006016aaa.html
SInce he was dismissed, can he play 1-A football next season?

[Samdari]

SInce he was dismissed, can he play 1-A football next season?

Nope.

He's kicked off the team, but not out of school.

[Maple Leafs]

http://media.putfile.com/VT-THUG-1
Thanks.

Wow, that's brutal.

[vtbub]

Right Call.

[Neuqua]

Good call on VT's part.

[Kodos]

21 year old college kid come on, leave this guy alone.

We'll leave him alone when he learns not to be a total asshat.

[Warhammer]

What I don't get is why the heck spike the guy? I mean that was a clean play and all, why that guy?

[st.cronin]

If they suspended every kid who drank with younger girls and smoke some herb, college would be VERY EMPTY.

If you want to be the starting quarterback for Virginia Tech, you understand that people are going to watch you a little bit more closely.

It's possible this could be the wake up call he needs, and he finally grows up a little bit. Me, personally, I think it's more likely he ends up in jail than in a Pro Bowl.

[flounder]

If they suspended every kid who drank with younger girls and smoke some herb, college would be VERY EMPTY.

The girls accused him of making them strip and taking pictures of them. Charges were never brought on that. He was charged with having sex with the 15 year old girl, but was acquitted.

[vtbub]

Something I'm not clear on. Did the University know of this before today or did they let him play in the Gator knowing this?

[timmynausea]

The girls accused him of making them strip and taking pictures of them. Charges were never brought on that. He was charged with having sex with the 15 year old girl, but was acquitted.

Actually he confessed to a police officer to having sex with the 15 year old girl, but he was not charged.

[timmynausea]

Vick, the younger brother of Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick, initially was charged with four counts of contributing to the delinquency of a minor. The fourth count stemmed from the allegation that he had sex with one of the 15-year-olds. A lower-court judge dismissed the charge even though a police officer testified that Vick admitted having sexual intercourse with the girl.

Richmond Times Dispatch
September 16, 2004

[General Mike]

Va Tech gets a golf clap for doing the right thing.

[terpkristin]

HOLY CRAP I JUST SAW WHAT HE DID IN THE BOWL GAME!

Stepping on that guy's calf like that. Accident my arse.
That is HORRENDOUS. I'd kick him out or at least suspend him for a season just for pulling that kind of crap.

Agreed, he is a 21 year old college kid, and college kids make mistakes. But wow. He's made a lot of them. Usually kids learn after once or at most twice in hot water.

Between the underage drinking/sex thing, the driving thing, the WVU thing, the bowl thing...I think it's demonstrated he isn't going to learn/grow up.


And what he did to that Louisville player in the bowl game...WOW. And OW.

/tk

[timmynausea]

Here's the ESPN story. It sounds like VT did know about his arrest before the Gator Bowl.
Edit to say that I misread the article and it is still unclear whether or not they knew about his arrest. I assume they didn't.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/bowls05/news/story?id=2282642

[ISiddiqui]

Good job Virginia Tech!! They did the right thing!

[cougarfreak]

HOLY CRAP I JUST SAW WHAT HE DID IN THE BOWL GAME!

Stepping on that guy's calf like that. Accident my arse.
That is HORRENDOUS. I'd kick him out or at least suspend him for a season just for pulling that kind of crap.

Agreed, he is a 21 year old college kid, and college kids make mistakes. But wow. He's made a lot of them. Usually kids learn after once or at most twice in hot water.

Between the underage drinking/sex thing, the driving thing, the WVU thing, the bowl thing...I think it's demonstrated he isn't going to learn/grow up.


And what he did to that Louisville player in the bowl game...WOW. And OW.

/tk


Where did you see it, is there a video online? And I'm sure he doesn't feel like he needs to learn anything with a big brother making mega $$.

[terpkristin]

ESPN keeps showing it.
I saw it on PTI and it's been on SportsCenter like 3 times.

/tk

[Logan]

Personally, even if VT did know about the arrest and still let him play, I don't have as big a problem with that, as I did with the kid from BC playing in his bowl game. Vick drove with a suspended license..bad, yes, but not a terrible crime. The kid from BC got arrested for DUI after he drove up a curb and into a wall, failed a sobriety test, didn't tell his coaches about it, missed his court appearance to go to the bowl game, finally told his coaches who then got the hearing postponed, was informed by his coaches that he would be held out of the game, and then ENDED UP PLAYING IN THE GAME ANYWAY!!! That's a hell of a lesson...fuck up about 10 times in one situation, and still get to play. I can't believe a bigger deal wasn't made of this.

P.S. Vick is an asshole and deserves everything he gets.

[Raiders Army]

This guy is a fucking idiot. He could've had the NFL in the palm of his hand (see Eli Manning for well-known brother and family connection), but he acts like this.

I hate the Mannings, but you know what? They're under the same microscope; other than a drunk pic of Eli with Shorty they haven't done anything to embarass themselves (other than that whole "I'm bigger than the NFL and won't play for San Diego thing").

[Toddzilla]

I, for one, am glad he's gone and will much ratehr see my Hokies go 8-4 next year with Glennon or Holt under center than have MV2 and his cloud of doom lead VT to another 10/11 win season. Sad to say, but going to Virginia Tech may have been his biggest mistake. No way he could have ever lived up to the hype (thanks, ESPN) and he simply couldn't cope - or if you believe some, he coped like any college kid would, he just unfortunately had the media watching his every move.

I hope he gets his life together and has a long career as a Saskatchewan Rough Rider.

[Klinglerware]

Personally, even if VT did know about the arrest and still let him play, I don't have as big a problem with that, as I did with the kid from BC playing in his bowl game. Vick drove with a suspended license..bad, yes, but not a terrible crime. The kid from BC got arrested for DUI after he drove up a curb and into a wall, failed a sobriety test, didn't tell his coaches about it, missed his court appearance to go to the bowl game, finally told his coaches who then got the hearing postponed, was informed by his coaches that he would be held out of the game, and then ENDED UP PLAYING IN THE GAME ANYWAY!!! That's a hell of a lesson...fuck up about 10 times in one situation, and still get to play. I can't believe a bigger deal wasn't made of this.

P.S. Vick is an asshole and deserves everything he gets.

Perhaps VT and BC are just trying to live up to the part, now that they have joined a southern conference? :D

[ISiddiqui]

Perhaps VT and BC are just trying to live up to the part, now that they have joined a southern conference? :DClassic.

[st.cronin]

I, for one, am glad he's gone and will much ratehr see my Hokies go 8-4 next year with Glennon or Holt under center than have MV2 and his cloud of doom lead VT to another 10/11 win season. Sad to say, but going to Virginia Tech may have been his biggest mistake. No way he could have ever lived up to the hype (thanks, ESPN) and he simply couldn't cope - or if you believe some, he coped like any college kid would, he just unfortunately had the media watching his every move.

I hope he gets his life together and has a long career as a Saskatchewan Rough Rider.

Bravo.

[duckman]

I, for one, am glad he's gone and will much ratehr see my Hokies go 8-4 next year with Glennon or Holt under center than have MV2 and his cloud of doom lead VT to another 10/11 win season. Sad to say, but going to Virginia Tech may have been his biggest mistake. No way he could have ever lived up to the hype (thanks, ESPN) and he simply couldn't cope - or if you believe some, he coped like any college kid would, he just unfortunately had the media watching his every move.

I hope he gets his life together and has a long career as a Saskatchewan Rough Rider.
Maybe he should changed his name to something like Ron Mexico.

[Toddzilla]

Maybe he should changed his name to something like Ron Mexico.
Wouldn't he be New Mexico? :rolleyes:

[Buccaneer]

Well, now he can concentrate on his studies and degree program. Right? :rolleyes:

[Toddzilla]

If you want to be the starting quarterback for Virginia Tech, you understand that people are going to watch you a little bit more closely.

Agreed. OTOH, Grant Noel won quitea few games following Mike, and Bryan Randall did quite well last year - ACC Champ and a BCS bowl. I don't think it was "Michael Vick" hype so much as it was "Your Big Brother" hype that did him in.

[kcchief19]

Hello Marcus Vick! Your Ron Mexico name, the ultimate disguise, is Hank Bosnia.

[Young Drachma]

I figure he'll be a first-day pick. He doesn't seem to be nearly as troubled as Clarett was and you have to figure that he's just young and stupid, but his brother is a millionaire and so, he doesn't have to rob anyone for a cell phone.

He'll be okay, even if he is dumb...I think he'll at least learn a lesson from all of this mess. It's not like he's the first athlete to screw up.

[st.cronin]

I figure he'll be a first-day pick. He doesn't seem to be nearly as troubled as Clarett was and you have to figure that he's just young and stupid, but his brother is a millionaire and so, he doesn't have to rob anyone for a cell phone.

He'll be okay, even if he is dumb...I think he'll at least learn a lesson from all of this mess. It's not like he's the first athlete to screw up.

Are you kidding? He seems WAY more troubled than Clarett did at draft time last year. Clarett just seemed somewhat bitter, and the recipient of bad legal advice. Vick seems like a narcissistic creep.

[cthomer5000]

If they suspended every kid who drank with younger girls and smoke some herb, college would be VERY EMPTY.
He's only been dismissed from the football team, not kicked out of school.

[Deattribution]

I figure he'll be a first-day pick. He doesn't seem to be nearly as troubled as Clarett was and you have to figure that he's just young and stupid, but his brother is a millionaire and so, he doesn't have to rob anyone for a cell phone.

He'll be okay, even if he is dumb...I think he'll at least learn a lesson from all of this mess. It's not like he's the first athlete to screw up.

That's a joke, Clarett just got tied up in bad school practices that have went on for years, and he just happened to get caught. (post NFL career robbery aside)

Vick has just went nuts, doing whatever he feels like including breaking the law multiple times.

[KWhit]

Wow. I had missed the spiking of that guy during the bowl game. I'm amazed that a Louisville player didn't rip his head off for that.

Total punk.

[timmynausea]

http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/story/9149124

The media will really start to pile on now. A month ago they were talking about how much he has matured.

[timmynausea]

He's going pro.

http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=97777&ran=20403

[cthomer5000]

“It’s not a big deal. I’ll just move on to the next level, baby”
Something tells me Al Davis is interested!

[Wolfpack]

If they suspended every kid who drank with younger girls and smoke some herb, college would be VERY EMPTY.

True, but there's a significant difference. This 21-year-old is essentially the most recognizable person at Virginia Tech. Pluck anyone off the street and they couldn't find VT on a map, much less name any professors on the staff. However, ask about their football team and they'll probably talk about Michael or Marcus Vick. With Marcus now highly radioactive, it'll do wonders for VT's image to have jettisoned him now (though they'll still get flak for letting him play in the bowl game even after getting busted in December and apparently letting it get buried).

I wonder what effect this will have on Michael's relationship to the school.

[VPI97]

What a long day...

I've been talking to the people who I know that are "connected"" to the staff and here's what has really happened.

The speeding ticket: Marcus got pulled over for doing 38 in a 25 and when the cop ran his license, the computer came back saying that it was suspended. So he did his job and placed him under arrest. However, Vick's license wasn't actually suspended. He had it taken away due to the reckless driving charge a year and a half ago, but only lost it for a few months. When he filled out the forms to get it reinstated (over a year ago), the DMV screwed up the paperwork and it didn't get into the computer. Once the police realized what had happened, all they required was that he redo the forms for the DMV and once they were processed. the charges would be dropped. Thus, he filled them out shortly after the incident (and prior to the Gator Bowl), communicated what had happened to Coach Beamer and played in the game. He didn't actually do anything wrong (other than a pedestrian speeding ticket, that is).

Today: Beamer & AD Weaver had already planned to suspend Marcus for three games next year due to the Louisville incident, but when someone in the media called President Stegar's office this morning about the arrest record they found in a monthly reporting log (not sure what that is really), he concluded that guilty or not, it was the last straw. Stegar met with Beamer and Weaver this morning and against Coach Beamer's wishes, Stegar mandated that Marcus be kicked off the team because of the bad publicity from the Louisville game and the bad publicity from the arrest record.

Aftermath: It seems that Marcus was removed for the team because of violating the 'zero tolerance policy', even though he didn't actually violate it. As a result, Beamer is pissed at the school's administration for booting one of his players regardless of the facts of what happened. So much so that there's speculation that Beamer may walk away from VT soon.

What a clusterfuck.

[Buccaneer]

Good thing I don't really have a team I'm fanatical about (or at least connected to in any meaningful way) else I too would throw away my principles and values.

[VPI97]

dola - Keep in mind that the accuracy of what I posted is based on talking to someone who talked to a couple members of the coaching staff....and those guys haven't sat down with Frank about it, they're just picking up bits and pieces from around the office. What I do know is fact, though, is the forthcoming dropping of the charges and that Stegar made the call to drop Marcus.

[VPI97]

Good thing I don't really have a team I'm fanatical about (or at least connected to in any meaningful way) else I too would throw away my principles and values.I'm going to assume that you're addressing me, Bucc. How exactly am I throwing away my principles and values? Because I'm not calling Marcus a criminal, rapist or thug?

[ISiddiqui]

Wouldn't stepping on Dumerville's leg count as violating a zero tolerance policy? Or would Elvis have to file assault & battery charges before that?

[VPI97]

Wouldn't stepping on Dumerville's leg count as violating a zero tolerance policy? Or would Elvis have to file assault & battery charges before that?No...not when the agreement that was made only applied to off-the-field incidents. On the field discipline was supposed to be left up to Beamer and Weaver....that why Beamer is steaming right now.

[timmynausea]

Where would Frank go? I can't imagine him anywhere but VT.

[st.cronin]

VPI, I'm just curious, what is your connection to VaTech? Are you just a fan of the football team? Otherwise, why in the world would you want Vick to continue to represent the university?

[ISiddiqui]

No...not when the agreement that was made only applied to off-the-field incidents. On the field discipline was supposed to be left up to Beamer and Weaver....that why Beamer is steaming right now.Well, did they ticket Vick for speeding?

[Wolfpack]

I would think the zero-tolerance applied to getting the cuffs slapped on him, not for the speeding ticket. I would tend to agree that the speeding ticket wouldn't violate the zero tolerance policy simply because that's a basic traffic citation that could happen to anyone.

[VPI97]

VPI, I'm just curious, what is your connection to VaTech? Are you just a fan of the football team? Otherwise, why in the world would you want Vick to continue to represent the university?Two reasons - First, I don't think he's done anything so overboard that it warrants being kicked off the team. The underage drinking and pot? I did the same thing when I was in school. The speeding ticket? I did it too...and my driving without a license was more legit that his was. When you make the claim that his off the field troubles lead you to believe he'll just end up in jail, I'm here to tell you that people grow up. I never ended up in jail...in fact I have a very nice life with a very nice family and a very nice job. Just because someone makes bad decisions in college doesn't make them a complete fuck up like you want to believe.

Second, I don't believe in throwing up your hands and ridding yourself of someone when they have problems. Beamer likes to say that his players are like his family. If someone in my family screws up, I'm not going to throw my hands in the air and kick them out of the house. I'm going to pull them closer and work that much harder to help them out. I'd rather do right by one of "my guys" and take the abuse from outsiders than give up on one of my own. But that's just me.

[VPI97]

Well, did they ticket Vick for speeding?So you would have kicked him off the team for a simple speeding ticket?

[st.cronin]

So you would have kicked him off the team for a simple speeding ticket?

lol interesting interpretation

[VPI97]

lol interesting interpretationHow so?

[ISiddiqui]

So you would have kicked him off the team for a simple speeding ticket?What part of "zero tolerance" do you not understand?

And whether or not it was a computer screwup, he was arrested. Brought a lot of shame on the university.

[Wolfpack]

I believe VPI's grinding his teeth because a minor infraction turned into a major one and if the account relayed to him is accurate, erroneously turned into a major infraction. Before it could get fixed, the media got wind of it and everything blew sky-high.

It probably is now a staggering understatement to say he probably regrets stomping on Dumervil. If he didn't commit that foolish act, the media may have asked questions abuot the arrest record, but eventually the backstory would come out and things would have quieted down.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Just because someone makes bad decisions in college doesn't make them a complete fuck up like you want to believe.

And just because you managed not to end up in jail doesn't mean that Vick is deserving of a free ride for college either.

He's tossed that gift in the trash can repeatedly. I'm just glad I'm not a Virginia taxpayer because I'd be more upset about his sorry ass being on scholarship than whether or not he's on a football team.

[VPI97]

What part of "zero tolerance" do you not understand?I understand the agreement far better than you do. A speeding ticket is not a misdemeanor.

[ISiddiqui]

So it isn't zero tolerance and VT has just been feeding people a line.

[VPI97]

So it isn't zero tolerance and VT has just been feeding people a line.If that's how you want to interpret it, then yes. He was not going to get kicked off the team for a petty speeding ticket.

[st.cronin]

The guy is a major embarrasment to the program - since you're close to the program, you don't care, but he makes everbody at VaTech look bad. As I said before, if it were my school, I'd be thankful he's moving on.

[tarcone]

Iowa will need a coach and i would love to see beamer there.
i think the sex with a 15 yr old and being suspended for a year was the major problem
zero tolerance is zero tolerance. i see the point it was only a speeding ticket but when you are on your last leg you dont take any chances. that vick should have known.
at iowa one of their BB players got arrested for sexual assault. the circumstances were that a girl came to his dorm room drunk and naked....the anal bruising she didnt appreciate...so he was booted for a year
the next year he was arrested for breaking into his ex GFs apartment...gone from team

[VPI97]

The guy is a major embarrasment to the program - since you're close to the program, you don't care, but he makes everbody at VaTech look bad. As I said before, if it were my school, I'd be thankful he's moving on.You're probably right...I tend to not put too much stock in what outsiders think regarding most aspects of my life. I'd rather stand with my friends, family, or in this case players, than bow down to public criticism.

[Radii]

From the ESPN Story (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/bowls05/news/story?id=2282642)


Marcus Vick Timeline
Sept. 2, 2003: Suspended for one game by coach Frank Beamer for undisclosed reason.
Feb. 17, 2004: Arrested without incident and charged with four misdemeanors -- three for allegedly allowing underage girls to have alcohol and one for allegedly having sex with a 15-year-old at a January party. Released on $2,500 bond.
May 14, 2004: Convicted of three counts of contributing to the delinquency of a minor and sentenced to 30 days in jail and fined $2,250. Found not guilty of having sex with the 15-year-old.
July 3, 2004: Charged with reckless driving and possession of marijuana after a traffic stop about 25 miles east of Richmond, Va. at 2:30 a.m. Police said he was clocked at 86 mph, 21 mph above the speed limit, and that the vehicle smelled of marijuana.
July 6, 2004: Indefinitely suspended from football team for off-field problems.
Aug. 3, 2004: Suspended from the university for the 2004 season on same day he pleads guilty to reckless driving and no contest to marijuana possession in New Kent, Va. Is fined $300, has driver's license suspended for 60 days and is placed in a first offender program on the marijuana charge, requiring that he perform 24 hours of community service, undergo drug counseling and random drug tests, and give up his driver's license for six months.
Sept. 13, 2004: In plea deal, pleads no contest to one misdemeanor count of contributing to the delinquency of a minor. Receives 30-day suspended jail sentence, is fined $100, ordered to perform 24 hours of community service and stay away from the teenage girls.
Jan. 17, 2005: Cleared to rejoin football team and re-enroll at Virginia Tech.
Oct. 1, 2005: Leads No. 3 Hokies to 34-20 victory at West Virginia, and makes obscene gesture to fans who have been calling him names related to past problems throughout the game. He apologized a day later.
Dec. 17, 2005: Pulled over by police in Hampton, Va. for driving 38 mph in a 25 mph zone and driving with a suspended license.
Jan. 2, 2006: Leads Virginia Tech to a 35-24 win over Louisville in Gator Bowl. In the game, he stomped on the left calf of Cardinals All-American defensive end Elvis Dumervil, the NCAA sacks leader. Claims the incident was accidental and that he apologized to Dumervil, who denies ever receiving apology.
Jan 6, 2006: Is kicked off team at Virginia Tech for legal trouble and unsportsmanlike conduct in Gator Bowl.



I have a feeling that the media would *love* to be able to play up the story of the awesome Vick family, it just seems weird to feel like anyone is out to get him here. It seems like he's been given a ton of chances and after this many chances he would(and probably should) be on a much shorter leash in terms of his status with the team and university.

[cthomer5000]

You're probably right...I tend to not put too much stock in what outsiders think regarding most aspects of my life. I'd rather stand with my friends, family, or in this case players, than bow down to public criticism.
Come on, I think it's a little silly to wrap up your college football team with family. I understand the point you're making, but it seems a little over-dramatic here.

While I root for my teams and are very loyal to them, there are often times were things I don't necessarily agree with have to go down for the greater good. Whether you saw it or not, Marcus Vick was definitely attracting a lot of negative attention to VT over the last few years. He wouldn't be getting dismissed for a speeding ticket, that combined with his latest on-field shennanigans just happened to be the straw that broke the camel's back. Long-term it's porbably better to boot the guy and err on the side of caution rather then let all your players know they can get away with murder as long as they perform on the field or happen to share a famous last name. Whether it was a little too harsh or not, I think it's probably a good move for the program and school as a whole.

[Young Drachma]

On one hand, it seems like they're just saying "enough is enough" and it's not like Marcus can't go pro or whatever. I can't really blame the university for wanting to end the bad publicity that they get from having him basically seem above the law one way or another.

[Celeval]

Just wait until he sues to get let back on the team (against the wishes of the administration/coaching staff). (See Houston, Reuben)

[JW]

So what is Marcus Vick's future? I read this on another forum but there was no link and I was too lazy to check it. But it does raise an interesting question.

Friday night, Marcus Vick told The Virginian-Pilot that he would turn professional. "It's not a big deal. I'll just move on to the next level, baby" he said at a Virginia Beach restaurant, the newspaper reported Friday night on its Web site. Asked if that meant he would enter the NFL draft, he said, "Yeah, definitely."

So would any NFL team draft him? Could he go to Europe to try to redeem himself?

[RendeR]

So basically, marcus is a fuckup, does what most fuckups do, gets in trouble, regularly. Appearently wastes what god given talent he has by causing such trouble off the feild that no-one gives a shit what he does on the field.

On the field he shows the entire world that he is a classless little punk, more than once.

I find it astonishing that anyone is defending him, even if the arrest was mistaken, if he hadn't been a fuckup to begin with he WOULDN'T have been arrested at all.

Beamer might be closer to it all, but I think that fact blinds him to the realization that he needs to kick this loser to the curb and try very hard to apologize for him to the VT following. The school, the team and the univeristy's entrie reputation has been covered in shit because of this kid.

His brother ought to take his ass out back and beat some sense into him. but thats a family matter.

[Logan]

What a long day...

(bunch of bullshit cut)

What a clusterfuck.

Seriously, if trying to find out the truth behind this whole situation is what you found yourself occupied with all day, and you were actually stressed about it, get a fuckin life.

[stevew]

Where did you see it, is there a video online? And I'm sure he doesn't feel like he needs to learn anything with a big brother making mega $$.
www.youtube.com/w/Marcus-Vick-steps-on-Elvis-Dumervil%27s-knee?v=CuMBBwtmmys&search=marcus%20vick

[BYU 14]

So basically, marcus is a fuckup, does what most fuckups do, gets in trouble, regularly. Appearently wastes what god given talent he has by causing such trouble off the feild that no-one gives a shit what he does on the field.

On the field he shows the entire world that he is a classless little punk, more than once.

I find it astonishing that anyone is defending him, even if the arrest was mistaken, if he hadn't been a fuckup to begin with he WOULDN'T have been arrested at all.

Beamer might be closer to it all, but I think that fact blinds him to the realization that he needs to kick this loser to the curb and try very hard to apologize for him to the VT following. The school, the team and the univeristy's entrie reputation has been covered in shit because of this kid.

His brother ought to take his ass out back and beat some sense into him. but thats a family matter.

What he said.......................

The thing that is more disturbing than anything to me is his attitude post dismissal......From his quotes he basically doesn't give a fuck and it is no big deal to him as he just thinks he will get rich in the NFL.

You have to wonder at what point some kids get so full of themselves they think they are above everyone elses rules/laws and wonder where somebody was to check them when it happened, or explained it away with...."Oh that's just Marcus"

I really hate to wish bad on anybody, but little Vick is on serious need of a big dose of humility.....like not getting drafted.

[Buccaneer]

All of this animosity would have been averted if Vick went to Virginia instead of VT.

Corey is right, it is silly. Football is entertainment, not life and its importance in comparison to family, friends, job, etc. should be miniscule. If it's not, then it's no difference than those getting all bent out of shape, getting sick and becoming bitter just because your favorite TV show got canceled.

Todd, your PM to me shows that you are taking this way too personally. You are much smarter than that. Take some time off and play with your wonderful daughter. That's life.

[ISiddiqui]

I wonder.. where do y'all think Vick goes in the draft... if he gets drafted at all?

I'm predicting the Raiders take him in the 4th round.

[Swaggs]

I wonder.. where do y'all think Vick goes in the draft... if he gets drafted at all?

I'm predicting the Raiders take him in the 4th round.

Would the Falcons take a late round shot at him to develop him as a backup and hope that his brother could keep him in line?

[cthomer5000]

I think 3rd-4th round makes sense. It probably should be lower, but we all know someone will roll the dice.

[ISiddiqui]

Would the Falcons take a late round shot at him to develop him as a backup and hope that his brother could keep him in line?I doubt it. Blank is not into the problem players (he unequivocally said T.O, wasn't coming to Atlanta). I doubt he'd allow Marcus to come in.

[st.cronin]

I wonder.. where do y'all think Vick goes in the draft... if he gets drafted at all?

I'm predicting the Raiders take him in the 4th round.

It'll depend on how he works out. I could see him climb into the late first round with a sensational combine, or not even being drafted if he has a bad workout or if something else happens.

[timmynausea]

Chris Mortensen said he'll be a second day guy. I'm really curious to see where he'll end up.

[Ragone]

It'll depend on how he works out. I could see him climb into the late first round with a sensational combine, or not even being drafted if he has a bad workout or if something else happens.

with his attitude.. honestly i think 2nd day guy..


and as far as the "Zero tolerance off-the-field" policy.. if a player is on something like that.. and does something totally thuggish as to look down and STOMP on a players leg.. then claim to later have apologized (he didn't)
that would be the end of the rope for that player

[Toddzilla]

Aftermath: It seems that Marcus was removed for the team because of violating the 'zero tolerance policy', even though he didn't actually violate it. As a result, Beamer is pissed at the school's administration for booting one of his players regardless of the facts of what happened. So much so that there's speculation that Beamer may walk away from VT soon. What a clusterfuck.

Holy shit, dude. I've been on TSL and Hokie Haven all day and I haven't heard anything as dire as that. That's a nuclear fucking meltdown waiting to happen if you ask me. I can but the fact Frank is pissed off - he's got a lot of things to be pissed off at now, but so much he wants to leave the school? After his big fat contract renewal?

I'd try to test the waters at TSL and see what they thought, but by posting this I'd get perma-banned, no questions asked.

[KWhit]

Marcus has had a laundry list of on-field and off-field problems. I think it is absolutely the right decision to boot him from the team. Given his history, I think the cleating of the Louisville player alone would have been enough.

[Deattribution]

Two reasons - First, I don't think he's done anything so overboard that it warrants being kicked off the team. The underage drinking and pot? I did the same thing when I was in school. The speeding ticket? I did it too...and my driving without a license was more legit that his was. When you make the claim that his off the field troubles lead you to believe he'll just end up in jail, I'm here to tell you that people grow up. I never ended up in jail...in fact I have a very nice life with a very nice family and a very nice job. Just because someone makes bad decisions in college doesn't make them a complete fuck up like you want to believe.


Did you also sleep with 15 year old girls while you were in college?


Good riddance, now VT can move onto someone who isn't a bane for the school.

[Joe]

Did you also sleep with 15 year old girls while you were in college?



What's wrong with that?

[Toddzilla]

Did you also sleep with 15 year old girls while you were in college?

Um, no, and neither did Marcus. He was accused of that, denied it, and no charges were pressed. He's alot of bad things, but rapist isn't one of them.

[st.cronin]

Um, no, and neither did Marcus. He was accused of that, denied it, and no charges were pressed. He's alot of bad things, but rapist isn't one of them.

I keep reading that he admitted it, charges were filed and then dropped for some reason.

[Deattribution]

I keep reading that he admitted it, charges were filed and then dropped for some reason.

Correct, he actually admitted to it.


Unless you're a huge VT fan, they forget that lil part.

[VPI97]

Correct, he actually admitted to it.


Unless you're a huge VT fan, they forget that lil part.Actually, he didn't. That charge was dropped when the judge ruled that the officer's questions were intentionally confusing and misleading...Marcus only admitted to providing alcohol to the girls. And of course, the girl herself denied having sex with him. But don't let the actual facts of the case stop you from claiming otherwise.

[Deattribution]

Actually, he didn't. That charge was dropped when the judge ruled that the officer's questions were intentionally confusing and misleading...Marcus only admitted to providing alcohol to the girls. And of course, the girl herself denied having sex with him. But don't let the actual facts of the case stop you from claiming otherwise.

Officer: Did you sleep with the girl?

Vick: Yes I did

Judge : those questions are too confusing, thrown out, all charges dropped.

:rolleyes:

[st.cronin]

Officer: Did you sleep with the girl?

Vick: Yes I did

Judge : those questions are too confusing, thrown out, all charges dropped.

:rolleyes:

lol

I know just how that judge feels.

Girlfriend: Did you sleep with the girl?

Me: Huh?

[VPI97]

Officer: Did you sleep with the girl?

Vick: Yes I did

Judge : those questions are too confusing, thrown out, all charges dropped.Obviously.

It always amazes me when people insinuate that he got the wink, wink, nudge, nudge treatment from the legal system considering the other aspects of the case and what he did get convicted of.

[Huckleberry]

http://www.wavy.com/Global/story.asp?S=4338756&nav=23ii

[KWhit]

Is there any other info on that new story? Is he pointing guns at people now? Sheesh.

[st.cronin]

Well, I'm not going to say I told you so ...

[Deattribution]

Is there any other info on that new story? Is he pointing guns at people now? Sheesh.

No worries, we all did that in college....

good times :p

[stevew]

Im sure its all just a big misunderstanding and he was in the wrong place at the wrong time and he was framed and he really didnt do it, and then he apologized to the people for the misunderstanding and the fry cook at the mcdonalds saw it happen and he wanted to have him kicked out of the store, but the GM didnt see it, nor did any of the security guards so they let him stay in the mcdonalds.

[st.cronin]

No worries, we all did that in college....

good times :p

lol

If colleges kicked out every student who waved guns around, there would be, um ... no controversy whatsoever?

[timmynausea]

I've gotten pretty mad about a messed up order before, but this is ridiculous.

[Deattribution]

I SAID SUPERSIZE MOTHERF**KA :)

[timmynausea]

“It’s not a big deal. I’ll just move on to maximum security, baby.”

[st.cronin]

I'll say one thing, as fast as his draft stock is falling, his street cred is soaring.

[Deattribution]

Atleast Maurice Clarett was smart enough to wait til after the draft to pick up armed robbery.

[Raiders Army]

Although it's sad, there's something irresistible about seeing people implode.

[DaddyTorgo]

Although it's sad, there's something irresistible about seeing people implode.
ditto.

HAHAHAA. That's insane. Ah well, guess this clears the way for the Raiders to take him in the first round. Another guy with impeccable "character."

[stevew]

It's not a big deal. He'll just declare for the next level, baby.

[stevew]

This really reflects poorly on whichever college he went to.

[st.cronin]

As has already been pointed out somewhere, it really does boggle the mind how far out of his way Vick has gone to ruin his life. He could have had the NFL eating out of his hand - now, it seems possible he'll never play football again.

[KWhit]

Interesting article that seems to sum up all his confirmed problems on and off-field. It doesn't talk about the incidents with the 15 year old girl(s) since they aren't confirmed one way or the other.

http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/5234222

A couple of things jump out at me.

1) After the stomping of the Louisville player, Vick claimed that it was an accident. Bullshit. He claims he apologized to the player (Dumervil), but Dumervil says he received no apology. Vick also made this non-apology to the fans: "I deeply regret that I allowed my competitive emotions to take control." In other words, he is such a great competitor that he couldn't help but stomp on a player repeatedly after that player tackled him. Oh yeah, but it was also an accident. Which was it, Marcus?

2) The circumstances surrounding the suspended license charge are pretty much what VPI posted. Vick explained to his coaches about the suspended license mix-up and how it was just a formality, but he conveniently forgot to tell Beamer that he was also caught speeding, something that would have potentially violated VT's no tolerance policy with him.


And now he appears to be in trouble again.

[cthomer5000]

I'm sure there is a very reasonable explanation for all of this.

[DaddyTorgo]

yeah. someone forgot to supersize his value meal and he's marcus fucking vick dontcha know!!!

[SFL Cat]

In a perfect world, Marcus Vick would be "Mr. Irrelevant" in this year's NFL draft, the last player chosen on the second day. Then, on his first play from scrimmage during preseason, he'd get blindsided, fumble the ball and watch it get returned for a TD. As they carted him off the field, the DE who blindsided him would run over, put his hand on the kid's shoulder and says..."welcome to the NFL, punk."

[st.cronin]

In a perfect world, Marcus Vick would be "Mr. Irrelevant" in this year's NFL draft, the last player chosen on the second day. Then, on his first play from scrimmage during preseason, he'd get blindsided, fumble the ball and watch it get returned for a TD. As they carted him off the field, the DE who blindsided him would run over, put his hand on the kid's shoulder and says..."welcome to the NFL, punk."

You forgot that the DE who knocks him out is .... (drum roll) DUMERVIL!!!

[Surtt]

In a perfect world, after he gets out of prison, he will end up working at that McDonalds.

[Whar]

Is this the same guy that was arrested today for waving a gun to 3 peoples face? If so he is a real winner! :)

[Swaggs]

2) The circumstances surrounding the suspended license charge are pretty much what VPI posted. Vick explained to his coaches about the suspended license mix-up and how it was just a formality, but he conveniently forgot to tell Beamer that he was also caught speeding, something that would have potentially violated VT's no tolerance policy with him.



I think this is being too overlooked. If your wife or child or friend gets pulled over, wouldn't the first question out of your mouth be, "What did you get pulled over for?"

It is shady that VT's investigation could not come up with the reason he was pulled over and that he was cleared to play in the Gator Bowl.

[Deattribution]

I think this is being too overlooked. If your wife or child or friend gets pulled over, wouldn't the first question out of your mouth be, "What did you get pulled over for?"

It is shady that VT's investigation could not come up with the reason he was pulled over and that he was cleared to play in the Gator Bowl.


Maybe they just wanted to 'assume' he got pulled over for an autograph and leave it at that.

[WSUCougar]

Here's Marcus Vick with the play-fake to Lawrence Phillips...he's looking for Maurice Clarett out in the flat, but he's not there yet...scrambling...stomping...he sees T.O. on a deep post! Here's the throw! The ball goes right into T.O.'s big open mouth! He may be choking, or he may just be doing a lewd dance on opponent's logo in the end zone.

[stevew]

Here's Marcus Vick with the play-fake to Lawrence Phillips...he's looking for Maurice Clarett out in the flat, but he's not there yet...scrambling...stomping...he sees T.O. on a deep post! Here's the throw! The ball goes right into T.O.'s big open mouth! He may be choking, or he may just be doing a lewd dance on opponent's logo in the end zone.

TO hasnt been involved in criminal acts recently like the other 3 thugs.

Jackass, yes. Criminal, no.

[st.cronin]

I think Marcus has covered pretty much all the bases.

Sex scandal ... check
Drugs ... check
Weapons ... check
Violence ... check
Poor driving ... check

I can't think of anybody with such a diverse resume.

[flere-imsaho]

Although it's sad, there's something irresistible about seeing people implode.

Schadenfreude (http://dictionary.reference.com/wordoftheday/archive/2000/05/10.html)

[ISiddiqui]

It's that damned Grand Theft Auto! It's ruining our sports stars!

[JonInMiddleGA]

It's that damned Grand Theft Auto! It's ruining our sports stars!

Ooh, endorsement opportunity for young Mr. Vick -- instead of gracing a Madden cover someday, he can be on a GTA cover instead :D

[Toddzilla]

OK, when I said Marcus Vick = Maurice Clarett, I was thinking it would take a year or two for Marcus to get that desperate. I guess he's on the fast track. I'll be surprised if he isn't dead in 5 years. Seriously.

[st.cronin]

OK, when I said Marcus Vick = Maurice Clarett, I was thinking it would take a year or two for Marcus to get that desperate. I guess he's on the fast track. I'll be surprised if he isn't dead in 5 years. Seriously.

I don't know about that - Rae Carruth is still alive, right?

I never bought the Clarett comparisons.... until recently there was always a semblance of rationality to his behavior - by which I don't mean Clarett's behavior was proper, just that you could put yourself in his shoes and almost understand why he did what he did.

[stevew]

Ooh, endorsement opportunity for young Mr. Vick -- instead of gracing a Madden cover someday, he can be on a GTA cover instead :D

Hampton Roads would make a great setting for the GTA series. Bunch of diverse neighborhoods, all within a reasonable driving distance. Plus a lot of tunnels for any obligatory loading times. Also, with the military(naval) bases right around, you couldnt get to0 crazy before they'd get deployed

[cthomer5000]

Ooh, endorsement opportunity for young Mr. Vick -- instead of gracing a Madden cover someday, he can be on a GTA cover instead :D
I just got my hands on a beta version!!!!111

http://somethingwithanh.com/jokes/gta6b.png

[JonInMiddleGA]

cth, somebody ought to buy that from you, that is absolute GOLD !

[vtbub]

U do that yourself?

[cthomer5000]

U do that yourself?
Yeah... giggling the whole time. I could have done a better job if i wasn't rushing to get it up so badly. http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[JonInMiddleGA]

Yeah... giggling the whole time. I could have done a better job if i wasn't rushing to get it up so badly.

See, now that's one of those talents that just leaves me oohing & aahing & shit.

No joke, I can't always remember how to properly resize a f'n image in order to prevent kid-pix-that-are-five-times-normal-screen-size ... doing what you did there with the GTA layout just boggles my friggin mind.

[KWhit]

Awesome. You should post that at Fark or one of those other parody sites. That's outstanding.

Of course, the NPL Plague might suffer once VPI sees it...

:)

[cthomer5000]

Of course, the NPL Plague might suffer once VPI sees it...

:)
I'll be surprised if I'm not banned. http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/redface.gif

[ISiddiqui]

GOLD! That image is awesome!

[Honolulu_Blue]

That is fantastic, cth! Great work!!

[Logan]

Random question...did Vick change his number at one point? I could've sworn he wore #5, and Brian Randall was #3.

[timmynausea]

Random question...did Vick change his number at one point? I could've sworn he wore #5, and Brian Randall was #3.

Randall was 3 and I'm pretty sure that is him in the picture.

It's hilarious in any case.

[cthomer5000]

I edited Randall out. I don't want to drag that guy into this!

That picture just came up when i was searching Vick earlier, i just didn't notice... oops.

[SFL Cat]

I just got my hands on a beta version!!!!111

http://somethingwithanh.com/jokes/gta6b.png

Gold...pure gold! :D

I especially like the help wanted message underneath the McDonalds sign!

[Celeval]

:bowdown:

[Ragone]

Ooh, endorsement opportunity for young Mr. Vick -- instead of gracing a Madden cover someday, he can be on a GTA cover instead :D

I think he's posistioning himself for the 2006-7 cover of Blitz:The League..

Or the dreaded cover curse of Guns&Ammo Summer bonanza issue

And i'm sure Marcus was a victim of the system.. or some random bs.. oooh i know.. he took the gun from the kids and was holding it above their heads as to keep it away from them when the police came!

thats it! :rolleyes:

[wade moore]

I know we're all having fun jabbing at Marcus (and the GTA: HR is especially funny to me living in the area)...

but... I have to feel at least somewhat bad for the guy... I can't imagine what must be going on in his head for this downfall to happen...

[Huckleberry]

ct -

Admit it, you had a lot of fun googling for the schoolgirl pic.

but... I have to feel at least somewhat bad for the guy... I can't imagine what must be going on in his head for this downfall to happen...
I feel bad for people that have bad things happen to them, not for people that bring it on themselves.

[cthomer5000]

ct -

Admit it, you had a lot of fun googling for the schoolgirl pic.
The challenge was actually to find one that I would be able to post. :cool:

[biological warrior]

In the year 2000; Marcus Vick will be found dead in a gutter.

''In the year 2000!''

[WSUCougar]

Great stuff, Corey. But all this stuff is a little Hokey. HAR!

[Swaggs]

Hey guys, don't worry. Michael says Marcus didn't do anything wrong.
______
hxxp://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/seahawks/2002762287_nfl26.html

Michael Vick was at the Jan. 2 Gator Bowl and saw his brother step on Dumervil.

"Sometimes your emotions just take over," Michael Vick said. "I know Marcus. He's not the kind of kid that's going to do something like that on purpose."

Marcus Vick received a speeding ticket on Dec. 17 in Hampton, Va., for driving with a suspended license. He had been under a "zero-tolerance" policy at Virginia Tech after his suspension from the university for the 2004 season after several legal problems.

Earlier this month, three days after being kicked off the team, Marcus Vick was arrested and charged with pulling a gun on three teenagers in Virginia.

The brothers are living together in Michael's home in Duluth, Ga. Michael said he believes Marcus will be exonerated.

"No, I ain't mad," Michael said. "He didn't do anything wrong. The world will all know when the truth comes out."

Marcus made himself eligible for the NFL draft in April.

[WSUCougar]

Yeah, I saw the Michael quotes. Barf.

[rkmsuf]

Hey guys, don't worry. Michael says Marcus didn't do anything wrong.
______
hxxp://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/seahawks/2002762287_nfl26.html

Michael Vick was at the Jan. 2 Gator Bowl and saw his brother step on Dumervil.

"Sometimes your emotions just take over," Michael Vick said. "I know Marcus. He's not the kind of kid that's going to do something like that on purpose."

Marcus Vick received a speeding ticket on Dec. 17 in Hampton, Va., for driving with a suspended license. He had been under a "zero-tolerance" policy at Virginia Tech after his suspension from the university for the 2004 season after several legal problems.

Earlier this month, three days after being kicked off the team, Marcus Vick was arrested and charged with pulling a gun on three teenagers in Virginia.

The brothers are living together in Michael's home in Duluth, Ga. Michael said he believes Marcus will be exonerated.

"No, I ain't mad," Michael said. "He didn't do anything wrong. The world will all know when the truth comes out."

Marcus made himself eligible for the NFL draft in April.


"He didn't do anything wrong" is a great quote. And Michael wants to be my latex salesman.

[Surtt]

So which is it?
"Sometimes your emotions just take over,"
or
"He's not the kind of kid that's going to do something like that on purpose."

[Toddzilla]

"He didn't do anything wrong" is a great quote. And Michael wants to be my latex salesman.
Ron Mexico could have used a latex salesman.

[timmynausea]

Another VT stomp.

http://filebox.vt.edu/users/dtorbert/washingtonstomp2.wmv

[stevew]

Another VT stomp.

http://filebox.vt.edu/users/dtorbert/washingtonstomp2.wmv


Vick's roommate?

[timmynausea]

Years from now they can look back on their college days and talk literally of their old stomping grounds.

[Swaggs]

Hokies better watch out.

You can't go messing with the Dukies.