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SunDancer
03-22-2005, 10:41 PM
Anyone know where I can find a good site or schedules for FM2005 training?

Desnudo
03-23-2005, 01:28 AM
http://www.ontvangstrapporten.nl/fm2005/index.php?&direction=0&order=&directory=Training

I would recommend the CH training schedules since they were developed for FM05. Although the Gary ones from 03/04 still work too.

daedalus
03-23-2005, 08:08 PM
I wish there were more places where training, the various exercise and their effect was discussed rather than just "download thris training, it rocks."

I PM'ed Marc Vaughan with a question with regards to some of the details within training once but, shrug, I didn't rate a response. C'est la vie.

portnoise
03-23-2005, 08:37 PM
Yes. Following up on the tactics thread, help with training is definitely needed. Experts? Dynasty writers (who clearly know something, or they'd have been sacked long ago)? Hellooo? :-)

DaddyTorgo
03-23-2005, 09:12 PM
my one piece of input on training has been that I always do the training for my reserves and my youth players myself and absolutely run them RAGGED. I figure the only negative is they get injured and they won't be getting first team time anyway as they're just developing, so might as well try to maximize their increases. I've had a fair amount of success with it, although my youth teams and reserves generally tend to be a bit fatigued most of the time as a result.

Critch
03-23-2005, 09:25 PM
Training is the one main bit of FM that I've really paid no attention to so far. I just go to the managers options screen and set the assistant manager to look after it.

I notice that the CH ones are split keepers/defenders/midfielders/attackers. Does this mean that youth players should be training in with the first team? In previous versions the trick was normally to work the crap out of your youths, train them hard as you could. Lots would crumble, but the youths with real talent would flourish in no time. Is it no longer the in thing to train youths on their own? Individual youth coaching seemed to make sense as you could tailor your staff better that way, get all the coaches with high "works well with youngsters" ratings in with the youths, get all the grumpy old guys who hate kids working with the first team.

Desnudo
03-23-2005, 09:38 PM
I wish there were more places where training, the various exercise and their effect was discussed rather than just "download thris training, it rocks."

I PM'ed Marc Vaughan with a question with regards to some of the details within training once but, shrug, I didn't rate a response. C'est la vie.

CH training discussion.

http://community.sigames.com/eve/ubb.x/a/tpc/f/1519717/m/837207187

The reason I think training isn't discussed more is that its effects aren't widely understood by anyone and SI has never made much of an effort to clarify how it works and how to get the most out of it. For example, people guess at whether certain types of training are good to have before matches, but no one really knows for sure.

Also, the training system in FM is "set it and forget it," so there is little need for interaction once you've found a schedule that works. So you get reduced to testing schedules until you find one that maxes skillsets in the shortest period of time.

vyshka
03-24-2005, 09:10 AM
Speaking of training, does anyone know if the effectiveness of
coaches/training decrease as the number of schedules they are assigned to
increases?

SunDancer
03-26-2005, 02:28 PM
Speaking of training, does anyone know if the effectiveness of
coaches/training decrease as the number of schedules they are assigned to
increases?

I've always though about this. Also, does the number of coaches assigned to a particular schedule matter?

I think for youth players, I go with a 6-day, hard-work training program, with one day of rest.

condors
03-26-2005, 02:57 PM
I have read that it does but if you only have 4 schedules (keeper, defender, midfield, striker) i assign all my physios to every schedule and usually have keeper coaches or non keeper coaches and if they are good at both i assigned them to both. I have had good results. Better results than just have 1 or 2 coaches per group.(course with a lower league side you may only have 1 coach). Also when looking for a coach it is critical that they are good with young players and its best to get a technique style coach. For Physio's look for working with youngsters as well.

Even with less than perfect facilities you can train the players up with Cleon's training schedules.

Desnudo
03-26-2005, 03:11 PM
I try and keep my coaches and physios to 4 or fewer schedules. I try to have coaches from the major footballing nations, Brazil, Spain, Argentina, Italy, etc., to help with player settling.

I modified the Cleon schedule to include training activities (penalties and tactical) on Saturday since the EPL schedule shifts around a fair amount. So 7 day a week training with ToMD unchecked and RDaM checked.