NFL Draft Day 2

[korme]

Suzy Kolber is hot.

I wanna kissssssss you.

[cthomer5000]

"I could care less about the Jets struggling. I wanna kiss you."

[cthomer5000]

There's a couple big names still around. Giants passing on Nat Dorsey seems a bit odd - they must not like him.

[Cringer]

I get the feeling Shorty is watching today, alone, with a box of kleenex and some hand lotion........

[JeeberD]

Today is Trey Darilek's day. I hope he goes to a decent team...

[korme]

it's just me james taylor and my kleenex

[Cringer]

dola- not much happening for the Packers today....the Packers traded away the early 4th rounder they got from the Jags and thier 5th rounder...all so they could move up into the end of the 3rd yesterday and get that final guy to help us win the championship!!! A PUNTER!!! WAHOOOOOOOOO!!! WTF ?!?!?!? This is gonna drive me nuts all year now, why did Sherman do this? They had pick 7 or 9 in the 4th round today, i'm sure the guy would have been there if you had to have him, and we could have kept the 5th rd pick.

i had been happy with Shermans drafting these last few years, now i will always worry because of this one stupid, retarded, "i wanna be like Mike Brown or the A.J. Smith" move.....

[Noop]

Why use lotion?

[Cringer]

dola- ok, i took to long typing my last post my dola was wayyyy too late, i wonder if this one will make it.....

[Cringer]

damn!!!

[JeeberD]

You're dola-proof today, Cringer... ;)

[cthomer5000]

I'm waiting for Raheem Orr to be taken today (DE, Rutgers).

Probably 6th or 7th round...

[Cringer]

almost......just when i type it i guess...... :D

[Cringer]

I'm waiting for Raheem Orr to be taken today (DE, Rutgers).

Probably 6th or 7th round...

Packers could still use a DE, you like this Orr guy?

gonna go look him up, i won't know any names today i don't think....

[Cringer]

Interesting, Jaws just showed film of WR Roy Williams beating CB Ahmad Carroll in the Texas-Arkansas game this past season, Detroits 1st rd pick vs. Green Bay's 1st rd pick......but it was just one play, and i know Arkansas won the game, makes me wish i had tape of that now, see how Carroll did the whole game. These guys will get to match up for many years possibly....

[korme]

Cringer - BJ Sander is worth it, he's a pimpdaddy

[General Mike]

I hope Raheem Orr gets picked by a good team

[cthomer5000]

Packers could still use a DE, you like this Orr guy?

gonna go look him up, i won't know any names today i don't think....
He was pretty much always the best player on the team, and Sporting News featured him in a story about the best players you hadn't heard of / best players on worst team.

He supposedly lacks ideal speed for DE, which i think will push him down a lot.

Mel Kiper is a lot higher on him (predicted him going at the end of the 3rd), but i think late 6th or 7th is more likely.

[Cringer]

Speaking of pimp daddies, did anyone else besides my wife and I think Chicago's 1st rounder, DT Tommie Harris, had a little of that pimp vibe going yesterday with that suit and those glasses?....lol.....any reason i can get to hate a Bear draftee i will take, no matter how small.......

[General Mike]

Packers could still use a DE, you like this Orr guy?

gonna go look him up, i won't know any names today i don't think....

He's a tweener, I read the other day in the Star Ledger of NJ that he was keeping his weight at a middle ground, so if a team wants him to play LB, he doesn't have to lose too much weight, and if a team wants him as a DE, he can gain the weight easily. He definitely fits in better with a team that uses the 3-4, even if they don't use it all the time.

[cthomer5000]

He's a tweener, I read the other day in the Star Ledger of NJ that he was keeping his weight at a middle ground, so if a team wants him to play LB, he doesn't have to lose too much weight, and if a team wants him as a DE, he can gain the weight easily. He definitely fits in better with a team that uses the 3-4, even if they don't use it all the time.
yeah, probably a better OLB in 3-4 defense.

[Cringer]

Can't find Orr on the NFL prospects page, not in DE section or OLB, not in the name begins with O section, and they don't have Rutgers listed in the by school section....thats kinda rude, they don't have to be that mean to Rutgers just because it's Rutgers.....i like playing as Rutgers on EA's NCAA and in TCY...

[cthomer5000]

Can't find Orr on the NFL prospects page, not in DE section or OLB, not in the name begins with O section, and they don't have Rutgers listed in the by school section....thats kinda rude, they don't have to be that mean to Rutgers just because it's Rutgers.....i like playing as Rutgers on EA's NCAA and in TCY...
He's listed on ESPN's prospect list... I'll get you the description (insider)


Raheem Orr (http://proxy.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft04/tracker/player?id=112), DE, Rutgers: The Scarlet Knights were a vastly improved football team last year under bright young coach Greg Schiano, and it was Orr who led that charge back to respectability on the defensive side. He started all 12 games in 2002 and led the team with 19½ tackles for loss, including 8½ sacks, and last season he came up with 82 total tackles and 19 QB hurries. Orr came up big against the Big East's big three of Miami, Pittsburgh and Virginia Tech. He hustles and can close quickly at 6-3, 260, and could in some situations be an outside linebacker in a 3-4 scheme.

[Cringer]

thanks Cthomer...

TB just took S Will Allen, Ohio St. I had been looking at him for the Pack, they could use a safety even with the 2 CB's they got yesterday....

[tucker rocky]

Speaking of pimp daddies, did anyone else besides my wife and I think Chicago's 1st rounder, DT Tommie Harris, had a little of that pimp vibe going yesterday with that suit and those glasses?....lol.....any reason i can get to hate a Bear draftee i will take, no matter how small.......

He also did some kind of funky chicken dance.

I guess he was BIG PIMPIN'! :D

[cthomer5000]

Couldn't the Giants have taken Will Allen, just for comedy's sake?

[Cringer]

Orr sounds like i could be happy with him, smaller quick guy at DE? I think we have one of those already in KGB, so i guess the coaching staff doesn't have much of a problem with someone who isn't near 300lbs

[Fonzie]

Why use lotion?

Why use James Taylor?

[tucker rocky]

dola- not much happening for the Packers today....the Packers traded away the early 4th rounder they got from the Jags and thier 5th rounder...all so they could move up into the end of the 3rd yesterday and get that final guy to help us win the championship!!! A PUNTER!!! WAHOOOOOOOOO!!! WTF ?!?!?!? This is gonna drive me nuts all year now, why did Sherman do this? They had pick 7 or 9 in the 4th round today, i'm sure the guy would have been there if you had to have him, and we could have kept the 5th rd pick.

i had been happy with Shermans drafting these last few years, now i will always worry because of this one stupid, retarded, "i wanna be like Mike Brown or the A.J. Smith" move.....

Golden rule of the draft:

DON'T DRAFT KICKERS OR PUNTERS

He more than likely would've been available as an undrafted free agent.

Hope this doesn't mean the Packer offense won't be moving the ball as much as they like to. :(

[cthomer5000]

Quite a steal for the Vikes. Nat Doresy in round 4. I wish the Jets had taken him a few picks earlier.

[cthomer5000]

Drafting any kicker before the 6th round is insane.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Drafting any kicker before the 6th round is insane.

Punters yes. Kickers no. The Lions drafted Jason Hanson in the 4th round some 12 years ago or so. Since then, the kicking game has never, ever been a problem. You never realize how important kicking is until you have a crap kicker.

It's rare that a kicker is worth a higher round pick, but when one comes around, it's not a bad idea to burn the pick and have things settled for years to come.

[tucker rocky]

it's just me james taylor and my kleenex

How's go:
"Stroke it to the left, stroke it to the right, I be strokin'"

[cthomer5000]

a ton of Purde players are getting picked... interesting.

[Fonzie]

Golden rule of the draft:

DON'T DRAFT KICKERS OR PUNTERS

And, for the love of god, don't trade up to get one in the third round!

[Cringer]

Golden rule of the draft:

DON'T DRAFT KICKERS OR PUNTERS

He more than likely would've been available as an undrafted free agent.

Hope this doesn't mean the Packer offense won't be moving the ball as much as they like to. :(

Well i guess Bidwell is gone, which sucks because i liked him, so that is why they went for a punter. But i am fairly upset over trding up for another 3rd rd pick to get this guy.Gonna listen to audio from the Packers about him in a bit.

Listening to the GB press interview 1st rd pick CB Carroll from yesterday, i love the questions.

Press member "How do you adjust your game to being a shorter CB?"

(first off, my answer would have been "i don't know i have never been taller")

Carroll's answer "I don't understand the question"

Press memeber restates the same question

Carroll "Well, i thought i was 5'11" until a few weeks ago until the NFL guys said i was 5'9 and 7/8" so i can't really say"

[Cringer]

listening to Mike Sherman's comments yesterday on why they took the punter.......coach/gm spin is very good, very strong.....making a big deal of his unusual spin of the ball because he is left footed, that he is very good kicking when very windy or in cold..........trying not to be sucked in by my loyalty and faith.

I'll live but i'm not gonna be too happy about it, the Special Teams coach said the next highest rated punter they had on thier board was in the 7th round, i could have lived with that, that is the right spot for a punter.....

[tucker rocky]

Jags made a trade:

Ravens 4th round pick for WR Kevin Johnson.
Jags draft Ernest Wilford WR from Va.Tech

I guess they plan on starting Reggie Williams, their 1st round pick.

[Cringer]

Today is Trey Darilek's day. I hope he goes to a decent team...

Is Philly decent? They just got him....

[tucker rocky]

Jags draft a PK, Josh Scobee from LA Tech
I guess they want a kicking competiton in training camp.

This goes against the Golden Rule of drafting kickers.
Whatever floats the Jags special teams coach.

[mckerney]

I like getting Nat Dorsey in round 4. I'd haard him talked about as a potential late first rounder/second rounder yesterday so hopefully it'll be another 4th round steal.

[mckerney]

Is Philly decent? They just got him....

Except for the Jeeber hating Philly thing, they're not bad.

[ISiddiqui]

YAAH! The Falcons just got Chad Lavalias in the 5th round!

[ice4277]

Lions took another LB, thats good because they need a lot of depth at the position, but now they really need to go out and get some offensive line help in free agency.

[Tasan]

I don't understand the Cowboys taking a TE here in the 5th. I guess its depth for training camp, because they have 3 guys that can catch already, and 2 that are good blockers. This guy has hands but is slow, and can't block well for his enormous size. Oh well, i guess it IS a 5th round TE....

[korme]

Krenzel got drafted by Chicago in the 5th. I admit I didn't even expect him to get drafted at all. Great QB smarts, not enough skills though. And he's the type of guy that would turn down an NFL contract to go work in his career field (molecular genetics).

[mckerney]

Interesting the Vikings have taken runningbacks their last two picks. Not quite sure what they're doing there, but the rest of the draft seems to have gone well.

[korme]

I noticed Mewelde got taken, what are they doing? Minnesota is loaded at HB as it is.. Moe Williams, Bennett, and Onterrio are all staying, are they not?

[Scholes]

That's weird.... on the TV they said the Vikes took Rod Davis (LB So. Miss) and on the web they have them taking a RB from Fresno... Smith makes a lot more sense.... I hope that's who they took.

[Cringer]

maybe the Vikings are going to the wishbone...............

[mckerney]

CBS Sportsline has it listed as ILB Rod Davis of So. Miss. That makes more sense.

[Scholes]

maybe the Vikings are going to the wishbone...............

That would be awesome. I love the Wishbone/Flexbone/ College style offense.

It would never work, but it still would be awesome.

[bhlloy]

Wow... Miami rescued their draft somewhat with Will Poole... great value at number 6 in the fourth.

And... Cincy finally make a good choice. Stacy Andrews is raw but his measurables are absolutely off the chart. A very nice project in the fourth round with incredible upside.

[Tigercat]

A couple of comments about a couple of the prospects talked about here:

Dorsey: Theres a reason he slipped to the fourth, after the season when working out for scouts he was nothing but baby fat.

Carroll: Warning to the pack fans: He was not that good in college. He was a highly thought of HS prospect, but before this year he was constantly burnt toast in the SEC. I talked to many Arkansas fans who talked about doing something with him at CB before this year because they were worried about his coverage skills. He did improve this year, to the level of average SEC CB. He was drafted strictly on his athletic ability and a play here and there in college. (Just look at his career stats, just 4 INTs and a handful of pass deflections a year.) With the right coaching he may be a decent CB down the road, but I hope y'all aren't looking for a CB now.

[bhlloy]

dola - just going through the rounds to see what I've missed.

Very pleased to see Lavalais go in the fifth - Atlanta got themselves a big time player. Even if he's never a starter he'll be a great rotation, team player kind of guy.

Best value pick of the draft so far might be C Nick Leckey to Arizona in the sixth - are you serious? Can't understand why he slipped so far, he was rated far above Stepanovich of Ohio State pre-draft.

edit - Just saw that the Cards drafted Stepanovich 2 rounds earlier so I guess he was rated higher. They must really have liked both players to spend picks on 2 centers. Wonder which one they are going to move to guard?

[Abe Sargent]

Interesting, Jaws just showed film of WR Roy Williams beating CB Ahmad Carroll in the Texas-Arkansas game this past season, Detroits 1st rd pick vs. Green Bay's 1st rd pick......but it was just one play, and i know Arkansas won the game, makes me wish i had tape of that now, see how Carroll did the whole game. These guys will get to match up for many years possibly....

I love the clip of RB Jones just hammering Sean Taylor and laying him out. Washington's 1st (top 5) vs Jaguars 2nd (late second round)

-Anxiety

[cthomer5000]

honestly, what the hell is Minnesota doing with the running back situation?

[JAG]

Detroit again gets good value with Kelly Butler in round 6. I think they pretty much 'won' this draft.

[Tasan]

Well I guess the Lions should win something sometimes.

[Tasan]

And Dola, Jeebs, UNT has a player picked finally!

UNT ILB Cody Spencer

[Travis]

Anybody know much about Niko Koutouvides? Just curious if this is a kid that has a chance at stepping in at MLB and having any sort of (positive) impact.

[yabanci]

Niko Koutouvides doesn't have much upside and probably won't be a starter, but he is great in the passing game and is a good LB to have on the field on third and long.

[Cringer]

A couple of comments about a couple of the prospects talked about here:

Dorsey: Theres a reason he slipped to the fourth, after the season when working out for scouts he was nothing but baby fat.

Carroll: Warning to the pack fans: He was not that good in college. He was a highly thought of HS prospect, but before this year he was constantly burnt toast in the SEC. I talked to many Arkansas fans who talked about doing something with him at CB before this year because they were worried about his coverage skills. He did improve this year, to the level of average SEC CB. He was drafted strictly on his athletic ability and a play here and there in college. (Just look at his career stats, just 4 INTs and a handful of pass deflections a year.) With the right coaching he may be a decent CB down the road, but I hope y'all aren't looking for a CB now.

i don't...maybe is all i can say, you never know with draft picks really. All i do know is from what i have read/heard is that this guy was good enough that had he stayed his senior year, gotten some more experience under his belt, that he would have been top 10 next year.

He is not expected to start, but there is a good chance is McKenzie is shipped out. Otherwise it sounds like from Sherman that he has been penciled into the nickel spot

edit: guess i should have said this was about Carroll

[cthomer5000]

Nate Jones from Rutgers!!!! Go Cowboys!

[Tasan]

And a Rutgers boy goes to the Cowboys!

Any of you know about this CB? Will he stick to an NFL roster that needs CBs?

[korme]

After the 6 Hurricanes, not a Miami player drafted since.

OTOH, Ohio St. has had 12 Buckeyes get drafted! Woo.

[cthomer5000]

Raheem Orr from Rutgers! Go Texans!

[cthomer5000]

And a Rutgers boy goes to the Cowboys!

Any of you know about this CB? Will he stick to an NFL roster that needs CBs?Excellent kick returner (excellent, two 100 yarders against Tennessee and Syracuse a few years ago). I'm guessing if he can be servicable dime back, he makes the team easily.

[Tasan]

OOO good a kick returner, that was a need position, and if he can play corner in the dime, thats good as well. Did he return punts too?

And reading this before posting, its sounds like I'm being a sarcastic SOB, but thats not my intent....Cowboys really do need a return man, and getting one in the 7th is great.

[cthomer5000]

OOO good a kick returner, that was a need position, and if he can play corner in the dime, thats good as well. Did he return punts too?

And reading this before posting, its sounds like I'm being a sarcastic SOB, but thats not my intent....Cowboys really do need a return man, and getting one in the 7th is great.
stats and highlights:
http://natejones.scarletknights.com/


I believe he *has* returned punts, but he didn't really do it full time at Rutgers. I'm assuming Dallas either thinks he can, or doesn't have a pressing need for a punt returner.

I really hope he makes the roster.

[cthomer5000]

Raheem Orr will definitely move to OLB for Houston.

[JAG]

Thanks for the info cthomer. After I saw Dallas took him, I came here to get your take on Nathan Jones. :)

[cthomer5000]

Thanks for the info cthomer. After I saw Dallas took him, I came here to get your take on Nathan Jones. :)
I asked nilodor to put these two (Nate Jones and Raheem Orr) in the 2004 draft file a few months ago. Looks like I nailed it. :)

[dawgfan]

Man, has any player's stock fallen farther in the last year than Cody Pickett? From a season where he set a Pac-10 record with over 4,400 yards passing and some hype for the Heisman Trophy to a guy that is in danger of not being drafted.

Having watched him the last 4 years I know his strengths and weaknesses as well as anyone, and while he has some definite flaws, I'm shocked that 12 QB's have been drafted so far ahead of him.

EDIT: And of course he gets picked right as I post this. San Francisco is actually as good a situation as he could've hoped for.

[cthomer5000]

A lot more QB's than usual drafted this year.

And aside from not trading down in the first round, I'm actually very happy with the Jets draft. (But I still hope Bradway and Edwards are fired at the end of the year).

[mckerney]

honestly, what the hell is Minnesota doing with the running back situation?

I'd guess that Moore will replace Doug Chapman as the #4 runningback, and ESPN has updated it and it was the Rod Davis that played ILB at Southern Miss that they took in the 5th.

[cthomer5000]

I'd guess that Moore will replace Doug Chapman as the #4 runningback, and ESPN has updated it and it was the Rod Davis that played ILB at Southern Miss that they took in the 5th.
What RB did it initially say they took in the 5th, i've forgotten. Did someone else take that guy?

[mckerney]

The Vikings take a tight end from Maryland in the seventh, big surprise there. :rolleyes:

[mckerney]

What RB did it initially say they took in the 5th, i've forgotten. Did someone else take that guy?

It said they took Rod Davis from Fresno State, who will probably not be drafted.

[korme]

Will Jared Lorenzen go undrafted?

[cthomer5000]

It said they took Rod Davis from Fresno State, who will probably not be drafted.
I wonder if he has jumped out a window yet. Lord, that must have been heartbreaking.

[Easy Mac]

Merril Hodge or whoever is on ESPN NFL Matchup just said Clarett would have gone in the 1st round and Mike Williams didn't even have 1st round talent.

[Vince]

Man, has any player's stock fallen farther in the last year than Cody Pickett? From a season where he set a Pac-10 record with over 4,400 yards passing and some hype for the Heisman Trophy to a guy that is in danger of not being drafted.

Having watched him the last 4 years I know his strengths and weaknesses as well as anyone, and while he has some definite flaws, I'm shocked that 12 QB's have been drafted so far ahead of him.

EDIT: And of course he gets picked right as I post this. San Francisco is actually as good a situation as he could've hoped for.
Dawgfan - How much do you know about Pickett? I remember hearing the hype about him a few years ago, then he absolutely disappeared. Stats says that he could use good leadership...and with a team that is going with Rattay as the starting QB, I'd think he's not a very good fit for our squad...

[General Mike]

Merril Hodge or whoever is on ESPN NFL Matchup just said Clarett would have gone in the 1st round and Mike Williams didn't even have 1st round talent.

Merrill Hoge fried his brain then. Whatever :rolleyes:

[korme]

Make it 14 Buckeyes..

[Tasan]

Merril Hodge or whoever is on ESPN NFL Matchup just said Clarett would have gone in the 1st round and Mike Williams didn't even have 1st round talent.
Merril needs to put the crack pipe down. With all of those WRs that went, there is no way Mike Williams lasts to the second round. I was picking up my jaw after he said that.

[korme]

Mike Williams §ux0rz

[Easy Mac]

Merril needs to put the crack pipe down. With all of those WRs that went, there is no way Mike Williams lasts to the second round. I was picking up my jaw after he said that.
I thought it was Ron Jaworski actually, but they said thanks for the comments Merrill Hodge after the idiot was talking.

[yabanci]

by the way, Jesse Palmer does a great impression of Jaworski.

[Tasan]

by the way, Jesse Palmer does a great impression of Jaworski.
Yes, yes he does.

[GrantDawg]

I could believe Jaws was that stupid, but not Merrill.

[BigJohn&TheLions]

Merril Hodge or whoever is on ESPN NFL Matchup just said Clarett would have gone in the 1st round and Mike Williams didn't even have 1st round talent.
I need some of whatever it is that he was on. Man that's gotta be some good shit!

Here goes.. **sniff** OH YEAH! Tim Worley is gonna be everything that Barry Sanders won't be. Sanders will dance, dance, dance and then get tackled for a three yard loss. Worley will be the workhorse back that Pittsburgh has needed since Franco Harris retired. Detroit has blown another one here, missing the chance to draft a potential hall of fame running back to grab a flash-in-the-pan who only started for one year in college. Trust me, Sanders will be a washout and next year Detroit will be looking for another running back. If they're lucky they might get Blair Thomas, who could just turn out to be the next D.J. Dozier!

Oh yeah, that's some good shit... :D

[Tasan]

Nope, it was Merril. Jaws, of course, agreed with him.

[TargetPractice6]

Will Jared Lorenzen go undrafted?Well at least one Kentucky player was taken. Though I can't believe Abney was picked before Lorenzen.

[dawgfan]

Dawgfan - How much do you know about Pickett? I remember hearing the hype about him a few years ago, then he absolutely disappeared. Stats says that he could use good leadership...and with a team that is going with Rattay as the starting QB, I'd think he's not a very good fit for our squad...

I wouldn't expect Pickett to be a starter coming in, but he should be a strong candidate for the #3 job. Give him a few years to learn the offense, get some solid coaching and a chance to fill-out and he could be a starting possibility down the road.

On the plus-side with Pickett, he's a tough SOB - he played the 2nd half of his Junior year with a broken collarbone, only missing 1 game from the injury. He won the Arizona game by barrelling into the end zone on a scramble despite his injury. He played with a number of ailments that last year, including a pectoral muscle injury that was downplayed during the season after it happened and many other severe bruises. While he's not the most vocal guy in the media, his leadership qualities don't seem to be a problem with teammates. He has good size, though the collarbone injury limited his weight-training for a long time and he has room to get bigger and stronger, and a pretty strong arm - he can zip the ball in there with good velocity. He's not an instinctive runner and doesn't scramble much, but he does have very good straight-line speed and can get you good yardage if flushed from the pocket and forced to run. He throws pretty well on the run.

On the down-side, he's always struggled with touch on the long passes - most of his long completions were catch & run situations with Reggie Williams. He was very inconsistent with his accuracy in crossing routes and slants last year; he showed better touch as a Junior, which suggests part of the problem might've been his pec-muscle problem. He's not regarded as the sharpest knife in the drawer, which his Wonderlic score seems to confirm. He has a tendency to stay in the pocket too long and take a beating rather than scramble out of trouble.

I see his biggest issues as his intelligence and correcting some bad habits he developed in college. He needs to at least gain better consistency on his intermediate throws. He's got the arm for the long throws, but needs to gain touch and confidence. Leadership is not an area I would characterize as a weakness for him.

[Buccaneer]

After the 6 Hurricanes, not a Miami player drafted since.

OTOH, Ohio St. has had 12 Buckeyes get drafted! Woo.
But every single one of them got attitude problems.

[Tasan]

And Mr. Irrelevant is.......

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft04/tracker/player?id=8121

Poor guy, not even a writeup....

[Logan]

You'll love Nate Jones. He definitely can return punts as well, and is electric on kick returns. After his high-profile TD returns, teams started kicking the ball REAL high so we would have to fair-catch it around the 30-35 yard line.

The kid is also really smart. I'm in a class with him now (wow, wonder if he'll be there tomorrow :)). He's a finance major with a 3.8something GPA.

[JeeberD]

Is Philly decent? They just got him....

Fuck! Now that Trey is an evil Geagle I have to hope that he shreds a knee. Sad, sad day... :(



And Dola, Jeebs, UNT has a player picked finally!

UNT ILB Cody Spencer

Cool, Spencer is a player. Gotta do some research and see who took him. I also need to see if anyone took Booger Kennedy. If not, the Cowboys need to get of their asses and sign him to a free agent contract RIGHT NOW.

Edit: Crap, Spencer to the Raiders. What's with these guys going to evil teams???

[JAG]

You'll love Nate Jones. He definitely can return punts as well, and is electric on kick returns. After his high-profile TD returns, teams started kicking the ball REAL high so we would have to fair-catch it around the 30-35 yard line.

The kid is also really smart. I'm in a class with him now (wow, wonder if he'll be there tomorrow :)). He's a finance major with a 3.8something GPA.

Sounds great to me.

[yabanci]

And Mr. Irrelevant is.......

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft04/tracker/player?id=8121

Poor guy, not even a writeup....

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/andre_sommersell